2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[EMC5466]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Hallstar]

I can't believe we are still giving Herro a pass or hoping he continues to develop a high IQ (it's not just his defense or getting clamped up by length) but it's his shot selection and playmaking when good possessions become paramount. I absolutely appreciate his professionalism and how he's improved offensively - as the coaching staff and development dept on the Heat deserve credit too. It has, however, come at the cost of team success. His best year is still off the bench, usage rate wise, efficiency wise, team success wise.

He couldn't play next to Lowry, a pass first PG, who played smart possessions (when he wasn't giving up open shots), or Butler who was our elite point forward. The Bam/Herro two man game might look neat on paper but the Bam/DRob two man game won playoff games. So on year 6, what is the true upside to having Tyler Herro start and have his touches be at the top of the pecking order?

The reads i see OKC and Indiana make on the fly is essential to team ball.

41 posts in 15 years? Vertical gonna quote just to agree with himself

LOL - I''ve been lurking long before then too. Back on Ira's Q/A blog and when Ethan was on Sun Sentinel.

lol, fair enough. Forgot about the Ask Ira blog back in the day. Wonder how much eyes they lost with the pay wall

[inhabitMiami]

I can't believe we are still giving Herro a pass or hoping he continues to develop a high IQ (it's not just his defense or getting clamped up by length) but it's his shot selection and playmaking when good possessions become paramount. I absolutely appreciate his professionalism and how he's improved offensively - as the coaching staff and development dept on the Heat deserve credit too. It has, however, come at the cost of team success. His best year is still off the bench, usage rate wise, efficiency wise, team success wise.

He couldn't play next to Lowry, a pass first PG, who played smart possessions (when he wasn't giving up open shots), or Butler who was our elite point forward. The Bam/Herro two man game might look neat on paper but the Bam/DRob two man game won playoff games. So on year 6, what is the true upside to having Tyler Herro start and have his touches be at the top of the pecking order?

The reads i see OKC and Indiana make on the fly is essential to team ball.

His best year efficiency wise by far was this year. It's not close.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I can't believe we are still giving Herro a pass or hoping he continues to develop a high IQ (it's not just his defense or getting clamped up by length) but it's his shot selection and playmaking when good possessions become paramount. I absolutely appreciate his professionalism and how he's improved offensively - as the coaching staff and development dept on the Heat deserve credit too. It has, however, come at the cost of team success. His best year is still off the bench, usage rate wise, efficiency wise, team success wise.

He couldn't play next to Lowry, a pass first PG, who played smart possessions (when he wasn't giving up open shots), or Butler who was our elite point forward. The Bam/Herro two man game might look neat on paper but the Bam/DRob two man game won playoff games. So on year 6, what is the true upside to having Tyler Herro start and have his touches be at the top of the pecking order?

The reads i see OKC and Indiana make on the fly is essential to team ball.

His best year efficiency wise by far was this year. It's not close.

His best year was our worst year, it’s almost poetic

[MettaWorldPanda]

Close to the finish line here but zero reason to cough up Ware. Jovic or JJJ with choice of Larrson or KJ with 20th pick is more than enough. A lot more than what we got for Butler.

[inhabitMiami]

I can't believe we are still giving Herro a pass or hoping he continues to develop a high IQ (it's not just his defense or getting clamped up by length) but it's his shot selection and playmaking when good possessions become paramount. I absolutely appreciate his professionalism and how he's improved offensively - as the coaching staff and development dept on the Heat deserve credit too. It has, however, come at the cost of team success. His best year is still off the bench, usage rate wise, efficiency wise, team success wise.

He couldn't play next to Lowry, a pass first PG, who played smart possessions (when he wasn't giving up open shots), or Butler who was our elite point forward. The Bam/Herro two man game might look neat on paper but the Bam/DRob two man game won playoff games. So on year 6, what is the true upside to having Tyler Herro start and have his touches be at the top of the pecking order?

The reads i see OKC and Indiana make on the fly is essential to team ball.

His best year efficiency wise by far was this year. It's not close.

His best year was our worst year, it’s almost poetic

Tends to happen when Jimmy torpedoed 1/3 of the season on purpose.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Turner averaging 11-4-2 shooting 37% from the field.

Both better than Bam if you go read the around the league thread, love it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

His best year efficiency wise by far was this year. It's not close.

His best year was our worst year, it’s almost poetic

Tends to happen when Jimmy torpedoed 1/3 of the season on purpose.

Yea, wasn’t a fan of his role of standing in the corner on offense

[greg4012]

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Turner averaging 11-4-2 shooting 37% from the field.

Both better than Bam if you go read the around the league thread, love it.

Chet def still a talent. His handle and frail frame limit him tho. Rim protection and mobility are legit. But, not only is he susceptible to losing to contact when he drives and tries to do work inside, he also lacks physicality bumping with bigs and is far from a quality people mover. Def things people underrate about Bam. All-in-one packaged big men are valuable.

[Rapaz]

This team’s bleeding money. I can’t believe I’m about to cave and approve this trash trade.

[EMC5466]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Turner averaging 11-4-2 shooting 37% from the field.

Both better than Bam if you go read the around the league thread, love it.

Chet def still a talent. His handle and frail frame limit him tho. Rim protection and mobility are legit. But, not only is he susceptible to losing to contact when he drives and tries to do work inside, he also lacks physicality bumping with bigs and is far from a quality people mover. Def things people underrate about Bam. All-in-one packaged big men are valuable.

I feel Chet is going to struggle to add weight and he is very fragile, we’ll see what happens but he is definitely a unique talent

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

This team’s bleeding money. I can’t believe I’m about to cave and approve this trash trade.

Just do the damn trade and get it done, your players are knuckling up in the locker room instead of trying to win games.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I’ll say it again, IF you trade Ware they get no other assets besides expiring money. IF you trade Ware it signals the need to go all in because you now have no young guys with the potential to one day be an all star (I view Ware as fringe potential) so you are now leaning towards going all in by trading him. You have to fully commit to one direction or the other, win a championship or rebuild, not both at the same time. If the 3-4 year KD window doesn’t work sell off everyone on the roster with value and recoup the assets

[greg4012]

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Turner averaging 11-4-2 shooting 37% from the field.

Both better than Bam if you go read the around the league thread, love it.

Chet def still a talent. His handle and frail frame limit him tho. Rim protection and mobility are legit. But, not only is he susceptible to losing to contact when he drives and tries to do work inside, he also lacks physicality bumping with bigs and is far from a quality people mover. Def things people underrate about Bam. All-in-one packaged big men are valuable.

I feel Chet is going to struggle to add weight and he is very fragile, we’ll see what happens but he is definitely a unique talent

I agree. He has terribly narrow shoulders/frame. His early career injury history is major red flag, too. 7 footer with a narrow frame. Since being drafted in 2022, he has played in 146 of a possible 278 games (52%). Already has a major foot injury and major hip injury.

For his upside case he needs to be able to better bump with bigs AND remain fleet-footed enough to switch in space on the perimeter. Very tricky combo.

[oreon]

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Turner averaging 11-4-2 shooting 37% from the field.

Both better than Bam if you go read the around the league thread, love it.

Chet def still a talent. His handle and frail frame limit him tho. Rim protection and mobility are legit. But, not only is he susceptible to losing to contact when he drives and tries to do work inside, he also lacks physicality bumping with bigs and is far from a quality people mover. Def things people underrate about Bam. All-in-one packaged big men are valuable.

His numbers are disappointing but he's still young considering how much time he's missed. Big thing for him is adding more weight, But I don't think has the frame for it. You just look at his legs near his ankles and there's so skinny compared to even smaller dudes. He has the skinniest legs per height that I've seen for any NBA player ever.
Seems to be a dude who out grew a couple inches than he should have. He should have been a 6"8 wing or guard.
But I am rooting for him. He's allowed one disappointing run. But starting next season people are rightfully going to asking questions. He needs to me make a jump next year and stay healthy

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I’ll say it again, IF you trade Ware they get no other assets besides expiring money. IF you trade Ware it signals the need to go all in because you now have no young guys with the potential to one day be an all star (I view Ware as fringe potential) so you are now leaning towards going all in by trading him. You have to fully commit to one direction or the other, win a championship or rebuild, not both at the same time. If the 3-4 year KD window doesn’t work sell off everyone on the roster with value and recoup the assets

C'mon Brooklyn--let's work a deal including Claxton that gives PHX their starting center on Booker's timeline and allows Miami to keep Ware.