2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[inhabitMiami]

We need to keep Ware so we have ammo for another move after KD

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Chet def still a talent. His handle and frail frame limit him tho. Rim protection and mobility are legit. But, not only is he susceptible to losing to contact when he drives and tries to do work inside, he also lacks physicality bumping with bigs and is far from a quality people mover. Def things people underrate about Bam. All-in-one packaged big men are valuable.

I feel Chet is going to struggle to add weight and he is very fragile, we’ll see what happens but he is definitely a unique talent

I agree. He has terribly narrow shoulders/frame. His early career injury history is major red flag, too. 7 footer with a narrow frame. Since being drafted in 2022, he has played in 146 of a possible 278 games (52%). Already has a major foot injury and major hip injury.

For his upside case he needs to be able to better bump with bigs AND remain fleet-footed enough to switch in space on the perimeter. Very tricky combo.

Had a teammate in high school who was a 6’7 sharpshooter. Obviously he is shorter but they were built the exact same frame wise, they tried so hard to get him to gain weight making him drink protein shakes multiple times and day, eating big meals, lifting, etc. and he just couldn’t pack on any weight no matter what they did. He still ended up going D1 but could’ve been a lot better with some added size. I get the same vibes from Chet, that oxtail and cornbread he’s always talking about isn’t working for him

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Im anxious brothers!! We’re right there to adding a top 5 scorer ever who’s still top 10 in the league, literally on the 1 yard line. GET IT DONE PATRICK!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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He was saying it was Jovic a few days ago

[Lennyzinho]

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I’ll say it again, IF you trade Ware they get no other assets besides expiring money. IF you trade Ware it signals the need to go all in because you now have no young guys with the potential to one day be an all star (I view Ware as fringe potential) so you are now leaning towards going all in by trading him. You have to fully commit to one direction or the other, win a championship or rebuild, not both at the same time. If the 3-4 year KD window doesn’t work sell off everyone on the roster with value and recoup the assets

C'mon Brooklyn--let's work a deal including Claxton that gives PHX their starting center on Booker's timeline and allows Miami to keep Ware.

What are we sending Brooklyn for them to send Claxton to PHX? I remember Brooklyn wanting 2 frps for him (they obviously never got it). Also if suns cant aggregate salaries, how would they take on both Wiggins and Claxton? Unless Wiggins goes to nets as an asset along with one of the suns bad frps (they turned 1 into 3 from the Jazz), we send JJJ #20 duncan and they get claxton for Wiggins and a jazz frp (doubt that works for nets), unless they know they can get value out of Wiggins from warriors or Lakers etc.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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He was saying it was Jovic a few days ago

He says both Jovic and JJJ are already in deal. If so this is a 3 team trade unless they can make the 100k over somehow legal that that trade checker is not picking up.

[Lennyzinho]

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He was saying it was Jovic a few days ago

Man if Riley is really only offering Wiggins duncan #20 and thats it, that's pretty wild. Lmao.
If adding JJJ would get it done and we won't add him, I'd throw my phone 100%.

[greg4012]

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On one hand, it's erny so why the hell would I buy this at all?

On the other hand, if Miami isn't offering up Jovic and that's the hold up, I will be pissed. And this is coming from someone who has been pretty adamant on here defending Jovic and believes in his upside as a starting forward in the NBA.

I do wonder if Miami is playing a timing game as much as anything else. They know if they concede on something now, that PHX will then use that to get every other suitor to move and inflate the price.

[greg4012]

I’ll say it again, IF you trade Ware they get no other assets besides expiring money. IF you trade Ware it signals the need to go all in because you now have no young guys with the potential to one day be an all star (I view Ware as fringe potential) so you are now leaning towards going all in by trading him. You have to fully commit to one direction or the other, win a championship or rebuild, not both at the same time. If the 3-4 year KD window doesn’t work sell off everyone on the roster with value and recoup the assets

C'mon Brooklyn--let's work a deal including Claxton that gives PHX their starting center on Booker's timeline and allows Miami to keep Ware.

What are we sending Brooklyn for them to send Claxton to PHX? I remember Brooklyn wanting 2 frps for him (they obviously never got it). Also if suns cant aggregate salaries, how would they take on both Wiggins and Claxton? Unless Wiggins goes to nets as an asset along with one of the suns bad frps (they turned 1 into 3 from the Jazz), we send JJJ #20 duncan and they get claxton for Wiggins and a jazz frp (doubt that works for nets), unless they know they can get value out of Wiggins from warriors or Lakers etc.

This was my thinking:

Add one FRP going to BKN. I can get on board with this deal. Phoenix gets a young starting frontcourt with super complementary skillset squarely on Booker's timeline, a chance to bring back Jaime to rookie year status (and market him in Phoenix), and the cap relief via Duncan's contract that they desperately need. Brooklyn gets a FRP and a useful player in Wiggins with a nice 1-2 year window where they can pump & move him (send him to a contender for value now or wait a season and have a valued expiring + solid starting player combo for any trade).

Who is this deal not enough for?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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He was saying it was Jovic a few days ago

He says both Jovic and JJJ are already in deal. If so this is a 3 team trade unless they can make the 100k over somehow legal that that trade checker is not picking up.

Funny because apparently he was the final piece needed according to him lol. Probably Pelle or something

[SA37]

Close to the finish line here but zero reason to cough up Ware. Jovic or JJJ with choice of Larrson or KJ with 20th pick is more than enough. A lot more than what we got for Butler.

No, just Wiggins alone is a better player than anyone you just listed. Miami didn't take him, but Golden St included Schroder in the deal. K Anderson is as good as Jovic from a production standpoint.

The difference is, what Golden St traded were known quantities; what Miami is offering is Phoenix some lottery tickets of sorts. If Jovic/Jaquez...etc get more minutes, are in a different offense...whatever. The point is to stoke fantasies about what these players could be, not what they are. If Jovic and Jaquez were such good prospects, Miami would likely be much more amenable to keeping both of them and including Ware.

The reason to give up Ware is to ensure Miami acquires Durant. And, if Miami's goal is to build a contender around Durant, Ware shouldn't stand in the way unless Miami really believes so much in Ware's potential.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Shewasfly]

Not offering Jovic is smart. Idc idc. That way, if at the last minute you absolutely have to sweeten the pot to get the deal done, you give in and add him and make that your final offer. Rather than have included him up front and then have them try to squeeze more assets out. Even better if you end up not having to sweeten the pot at all and you get to keep him.

I still hope that JJJ is enough and whatever the hold up is is something entirely different.

[SA37]

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Turner averaging 11-4-2 shooting 37% from the field.

Both better than Bam if you go read the around the league thread, love it.

Kel'el Ware vs Cleveland: 5ppg 5rpg 0.5bpg on 44 FG% 27 3tp%.

And people on here want to make him untouchable The numbers from Chet is, imo, best-case production from Ware.

You can't judge players on a single series, not even Haliburton who has been garbage in the Finals and whose teams has played better without him because McConnell has been so effective.

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I’ll say it again, IF you trade Ware they get no other assets besides expiring money. IF you trade Ware it signals the need to go all in because you now have no young guys with the potential to one day be an all star (I view Ware as fringe potential) so you are now leaning towards going all in by trading him. You have to fully commit to one direction or the other, win a championship or rebuild, not both at the same time. If the 3-4 year KD window doesn’t work sell off everyone on the roster with value and recoup the assets

If Miami involves Ware and not Jaquez/Jovic, Miami would have them + potentially Wiggins or Robinson to make a second deal. Plus Miami has future picks it could include if needed.

It's hard to argue Jaquez + Jovic should be enough to get KD, but then say Miami has no other assets to make a follow-up move, unless you're suggesting Miami would trade Ware, Jaquez, AND Jovic for KD.

[greg4012]

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Turner averaging 11-4-2 shooting 37% from the field.

Both better than Bam if you go read the around the league thread, love it.

Kel'el Ware vs Cleveland: 5ppg 5rpg 0.5bpg on 44 FG% 27 3tp%.

And people on here want to make him untouchable The numbers from Chet is, imo, best-case production from Ware.

You can't judge players on a single series, not even Haliburton who has been garbage in the Finals and whose teams has played better without him because McConnell has been so effective.

too silly to really get into this again.

We understand your thirsty

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Kobewade11]

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I can just imagine Heat and Suns team officials feeding info to this fat groupie