Around the NBA - Conference Finals and Finals

[Jay10]

If IND wins, I might be done with the nba for a long while

If they win you can also expect the storyline of their opening night being against the Knicks with Reggie Miller commentating.

[LookToShoot]

Ironic how this series mirrors the Nuggets vs Thunder series, that would mean the Thunder win game 7.

[Gravy]

this is a serious question and its with all due respect. whats the most shots you've put up personally on a basketball court?

I've never played organized ball, so I did not keep track of my stats. I was a good shooter and got compliments from friends, much better form than Payne

we all wish we were better than payne...You should try shooting 50k shots over the summer. After the 50k you will become a poormans Ray Allen
You will want to try out for a league Then you will get busy and not shoot for a month or two. When you finally get back to the court- you will
notice that no matter how much you improved as a shooter- If you dont get consistent shots- you cant and wont be at your best.

I say all of this to say- This is the reason Thibs is at fault. Just look at all of the guys Carlisle plays. They do well because they get consistent TRUST.

on edit: and I'm serious - if you really want to understand what players go through- just put up 50k shots over a 2-4 month period and you will be amazed bro...

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I've never played organized ball, so I did not keep track of my stats. I was a good shooter and got compliments from friends, much better form than Payne

we all wish we were better than payne...You should try shooting 50k shots over the summer. After the 50k you will become a poormans Ray Allen
You will want to try out for a league Then you will get busy and not shoot for a month or two. When you finally get back to the court- you will
notice that no matter how much you improved as a shooter- If you dont get consistent shots- you cant and wont be at your best.

I say all of this to say- This is the reason Thibs is at fault. Just look at all of the guys Carlisle plays. They do well because they get consistent TRUST.

on edit: and I'm serious - if you really want to understand what players go through- just put up 50k shots over a 2-4 month period and you will be amazed bro...

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

Breen quoted Obi in the game, and how much it meant to be trusted by Carlisle. Give it a rest.

[Context]

I've never played organized ball, so I did not keep track of my stats. I was a good shooter and got compliments from friends, much better form than Payne

we all wish we were better than payne...You should try shooting 50k shots over the summer. After the 50k you will become a poormans Ray Allen
You will want to try out for a league Then you will get busy and not shoot for a month or two. When you finally get back to the court- you will
notice that no matter how much you improved as a shooter- If you dont get consistent shots- you cant and wont be at your best.

I say all of this to say- This is the reason Thibs is at fault. Just look at all of the guys Carlisle plays. They do well because they get consistent TRUST.

on edit: and I'm serious - if you really want to understand what players go through- just put up 50k shots over a 2-4 month period and you will be amazed bro...

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

I see where you're going...
I wasn't around when we had Obi...were you? did he give obi minutes?

[Context]

we all wish we were better than payne...You should try shooting 50k shots over the summer. After the 50k you will become a poormans Ray Allen
You will want to try out for a league Then you will get busy and not shoot for a month or two. When you finally get back to the court- you will
notice that no matter how much you improved as a shooter- If you dont get consistent shots- you cant and wont be at your best.

I say all of this to say- This is the reason Thibs is at fault. Just look at all of the guys Carlisle plays. They do well because they get consistent TRUST.

on edit: and I'm serious - if you really want to understand what players go through- just put up 50k shots over a 2-4 month period and you will be amazed bro...

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

Breen quoted Obi in the game, and how much it meant to be trusted by Carlisle. Give it a rest.

This is where I was going Gravy...I could tell the difference on our team after watching 78/79 full games which players looked
"comfortable". Payne wasnt one of them...If we pick the right coach- you will see the difference...

[Gravy]

we all wish we were better than payne...You should try shooting 50k shots over the summer. After the 50k you will become a poormans Ray Allen
You will want to try out for a league Then you will get busy and not shoot for a month or two. When you finally get back to the court- you will
notice that no matter how much you improved as a shooter- If you dont get consistent shots- you cant and wont be at your best.

I say all of this to say- This is the reason Thibs is at fault. Just look at all of the guys Carlisle plays. They do well because they get consistent TRUST.

on edit: and I'm serious - if you really want to understand what players go through- just put up 50k shots over a 2-4 month period and you will be amazed bro...

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

I see where you're going...
I wasn't around when we had Obi...were you? did he give obi minutes?

Obi had almost the same amount of minutes under Thibs as he's getting now, but Randle played over him and was all NBA and the most important player on the team so Obi's minutes were limited.

Thibs gave Quickley, Burks, Noel, IHart, Josh Hart more minutes off the bench than anybody Carlilse is playing from his bench. Grimes was getting 20 minutes off the bench with Thibs. Leon traded most of them away to improve the starters and replaced them with scrubs. Thibs would play them if they were good as he's done in the past.

[kNicksGmen]

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

I see where you're going...
I wasn't around when we had Obi...were you? did he give obi minutes?

Obi had almost the same amount of minutes under Thibs as he's getting now, but Randle played over him and was all NBA and the most important player on the team so Obi's minutes were limited.

Thibs gave Quickley, Burks, Noel, IHart, Josh Hart more minutes off the bench than anybody Carlilse is playing from his bench. Grimes was getting 20 minutes off the bench with Thibs. Leon traded most of them away to improve the starters and replaced them with scrubs. Thibs would play them if they were good as he's done in the past.

It's not just about the minutes though the system matters - sharing the ball etc. Gives guys more usage/opportunities instead of Brunson/Randle dominating the rock in ISO. Obi never fit a thibs system.

[WaltFrazier]

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

Breen quoted Obi in the game, and how much it meant to be trusted by Carlisle. Give it a rest.

This is where I was going Gravy...I could tell the difference on our team after watching 78/79 full games which players looked
"comfortable". Payne wasnt one of them...If we pick the right coach- you will see the difference...

I imagine whatever coach we hire will follow the Carlisle - Atkinson model of playing more guys. It's got to be a big topic in the interviews

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Breen quoted Obi in the game, and how much it meant to be trusted by Carlisle. Give it a rest.

This is where I was going Gravy...I could tell the difference on our team after watching 78/79 full games which players looked
"comfortable". Payne wasnt one of them...If we pick the right coach- you will see the difference...

I imagine whatever coach we hire will follow the Carlisle - Atkinson model of playing more guys. It's got to be a big topic in the interviews

It has to be, because as an apron team we need one or two of these guys to become rotational players. You can't just play Bridges 46:30 minutes straight against the Hornets.

[Gravy]

we all wish we were better than payne...You should try shooting 50k shots over the summer. After the 50k you will become a poormans Ray Allen
You will want to try out for a league Then you will get busy and not shoot for a month or two. When you finally get back to the court- you will
notice that no matter how much you improved as a shooter- If you dont get consistent shots- you cant and wont be at your best.

I say all of this to say- This is the reason Thibs is at fault. Just look at all of the guys Carlisle plays. They do well because they get consistent TRUST.

on edit: and I'm serious - if you really want to understand what players go through- just put up 50k shots over a 2-4 month period and you will be amazed bro...

I'm past my dreaming to be an NBA player days and being a coach is all the stress and none of the fun. lol

My point is putting up 50k shots is not turning Payne into Obi or Wright into Mathurin. They just have more talent, Carlisle trusts those guys because they are good. If Thibs had Bennedict Mathurin he would be in the rotation a lot more than Payne because he is better.

Breen quoted Obi in the game, and how much it meant to be trusted by Carlisle. Give it a rest.

Sometimes I trust you will Be Better then you disappoint me every time

[Gravy]

I see where you're going...
I wasn't around when we had Obi...were you? did he give obi minutes?

Obi had almost the same amount of minutes under Thibs as he's getting now, but Randle played over him and was all NBA and the most important player on the team so Obi's minutes were limited.

Thibs gave Quickley, Burks, Noel, IHart, Josh Hart more minutes off the bench than anybody Carlilse is playing from his bench. Grimes was getting 20 minutes off the bench with Thibs. Leon traded most of them away to improve the starters and replaced them with scrubs. Thibs would play them if they were good as he's done in the past.

It's not just about the minutes though the system matters - sharing the ball etc. Gives guys more usage/opportunities instead of Brunson/Randle dominating the rock in ISO. Obi never fit a thibs system.

Obi works better on the Pacers because they are faster and have a pg like Haliburton. We cant turn into the Pacers, KAT is the slowest guy on the court, Brunson is a small pg who prefers to iso, Hali is the opposite of Brunson so they will run and pass more. Everyone on their team can shoot we have important players who cant shoot: Mitch, Hart or are too streaky: Mikal, OG, Deuce.

[kNicksGmen]

Obi had almost the same amount of minutes under Thibs as he's getting now, but Randle played over him and was all NBA and the most important player on the team so Obi's minutes were limited.

Thibs gave Quickley, Burks, Noel, IHart, Josh Hart more minutes off the bench than anybody Carlilse is playing from his bench. Grimes was getting 20 minutes off the bench with Thibs. Leon traded most of them away to improve the starters and replaced them with scrubs. Thibs would play them if they were good as he's done in the past.

It's not just about the minutes though the system matters - sharing the ball etc. Gives guys more usage/opportunities instead of Brunson/Randle dominating the rock in ISO. Obi never fit a thibs system.

Obi works better on the Pacers because they are faster and have a pg like Haliburton. We cant turn into the Pacers, KAT is the slowest guy on the court, Brunson is a small pg who prefers to iso, Hali is the opposite of Brunson so they will run and pass more. Everyone on their team can shoot we have important players who cant shoot: Mitch, Hart or are too streaky: Mikal, OG, Deuce.

I get what you're saying but don't entirely agree. Case and point is the 2nd unit with Kat ran a much quicker pace so Kat isn't really a reason to say it's not possible. Not saying this roster should play like the pacers either - but the ball should absolutely swing more and that is partially on Brunson but largely on the coach/system. The original point was disputing the lie that Obi got "the same minutes" with the knicks and therefore the same opportunities. Obi was very much in that category of miss one rotation or brick a 3 badly and thibs pulled him

[Gravy]

It's not just about the minutes though the system matters - sharing the ball etc. Gives guys more usage/opportunities instead of Brunson/Randle dominating the rock in ISO. Obi never fit a thibs system.

Obi works better on the Pacers because they are faster and have a pg like Haliburton. We cant turn into the Pacers, KAT is the slowest guy on the court, Brunson is a small pg who prefers to iso, Hali is the opposite of Brunson so they will run and pass more. Everyone on their team can shoot we have important players who cant shoot: Mitch, Hart or are too streaky: Mikal, OG, Deuce.

I get what you're saying but don't entirely agree. Case and point is the 2nd unit with Kat ran a much quicker pace so Kat isn't really a reason to say it's not possible. Not saying this roster should play like the pacers either - but the ball should absolutely swing more and that is partially on Brunson but largely on the coach/system. The original point was disputing the lie that Obi got "the same minutes" with the knicks and therefore the same opportunities. Obi was very much in that category of miss one rotation or brick a 3 badly and thibs pulled him

Obi had opportunities here. Thibs liked other guys more than Obi like IQ and Grimes. It could be that Obi has an easier time playing in front of the Indiana crowd. Our whole team plays better on the road. That's another problem

[god shammgod]

I looked it up the other day and I think the difference between his minutes in the playoffs his last year with us and this year was 2 and a half and 1 more shot a game. So not much different. And he was a 3rd year player then and a 5th year player now so there’s gonna be some improvement.

[god shammgod]

He’s had a couple really good 3 point shooting games. Game 1 & game 6. I think yesterday he only made 1 basket that wasn’t a 3. But for the whole playoffs he’s only shooting 33 percent. I would say he’s marginally better overall. But he’s shown up big a couple times in the finals. Credit to him for that.

[god shammgod]

We definitely could use another player who gets hot from 3 occasionally. But there’s no money for this. We cashed in all our chips for mopey the midranger who’s scared of both the basket and the 3 point line.

[kNicksGmen]

Obi works better on the Pacers because they are faster and have a pg like Haliburton. We cant turn into the Pacers, KAT is the slowest guy on the court, Brunson is a small pg who prefers to iso, Hali is the opposite of Brunson so they will run and pass more. Everyone on their team can shoot we have important players who cant shoot: Mitch, Hart or are too streaky: Mikal, OG, Deuce.

I get what you're saying but don't entirely agree. Case and point is the 2nd unit with Kat ran a much quicker pace so Kat isn't really a reason to say it's not possible. Not saying this roster should play like the pacers either - but the ball should absolutely swing more and that is partially on Brunson but largely on the coach/system. The original point was disputing the lie that Obi got "the same minutes" with the knicks and therefore the same opportunities. Obi was very much in that category of miss one rotation or brick a 3 badly and thibs pulled him

Obi had opportunities here. Thibs liked other guys more than Obi like IQ and Grimes. It could be that Obi has an easier time playing in front of the Indiana crowd. Our whole team plays better on the road. That's another problem

Not saying he didn't get opportunities - but again the system wasn't a fit and if he had a bad 3-4 minute stretch he would get pulled earlier than normal or maybe not play the 2nd half at all etc - similar to what Thibs did this season with a guy like Payne and to a lesser extent Mcbride. Stuff like that really hurts the development of certain guys that aren't as mentally tough.

I'm not here saying he's some great player, but definitely a guy that could have gotten minutes or maybe been part of a trade that actually brought in a return at some point.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He’s had a couple really good 3 point shooting games. Game 1 & game 6. I think yesterday he only made 1 basket that wasn’t a 3. But for the whole playoffs he’s only shooting 33 percent. I would say he’s marginally better overall. But he’s shown up big a couple times in the finals. Credit to him for that.

He's their 3rd leading scorer in the finals right now


The franchise messed up letting him & Grimes go for nothing, especially with how much people whined about not having a bench. Well, we had one. I could see if we got something back for him that helps us now, but we didn't, those 2nds aren't helping us anytime soon.

[kNicksGmen]

I looked it up the other day and I think the difference between his minutes in the playoffs his last year with us and this year was 2 and a half and 1 more shot a game. So not much different. And he was a 3rd year player then and a 5th year player now so there’s gonna be some improvement.

His MPG stats are somewhat misleading for the knicks since game 1 against the heat he played 31 minutes and took 15 shots due to Randle not playing (7/15 for 18/8)

Rest of the series against the heat (averaged around 11 MPG and 4 FGA)
10 mins - 2 FGA
17 mins - 6 FGA
5 mins - 4 FGA
12 mins - 3 FGA
12 mins - 5 FGA

Finals this year:
25 - 9 FGA
19 - 8 FGA
28 - 8 FGA
29 - 12 FGA
22 - 11 FGA
23 - 12 FGA