The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[Jesus_H_Macy]

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I'm actually intrigued by Wolf, even more so by Maxime Raynaud IF the Suns were to actually find a way to add a top end defensive center like Claxton or Gobert.

Either of those two centers would insulate Wolf and Raynauds' deficiencies on that end freeing them up to focus on their high end offensive versatility and giving us two 7 fters in our rontcourt.

Operating as an offensive/ defensive duo/ compliment to one another.

Looks like a slightly quicker Frank Kaminsky with better ball handling skills. Could do worse with a late pick

[One_and_Done]

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Well then Houston can flounder getting booted in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs for the next 5 years. KD is the best chance they have to be a true contender. Onto the next team.

Except every team's offer is probably just as bad.

[tester551]

Duncan Robinson has a $19.9M expiring contract.

If we get him in the trade we can waive him before his contract is fully guaranteed at 8/7 and we will pay him "just" $9.9M.

So we would reduce our salary cap in $10M, more than enough to be out of the 2nd apron (next to those Micic and Cody Martin moves).

Thats not how it works anymore.

Robinson either counts 10m in the trade or he counts 18. He cannot be traded and count 18m but be released to save $8m
The NBA changed that loophole half dozen years ago.

This info about Duncan's Robinson contract is everywhere.

The new CBA has forced several teams into tight financial corners, and the Miami Heat might have a panacea on its roster that looks like Duncan Robinson.

Robinson’s partially guaranteed contract is a rarity in today’s NBA. Of the $19.9 million Robinson is owed next season, just $9.8 million is guaranteed before June 29. That means that any team that waives Robinson before that date would get $10 million of instant savings.

That team could be the Heat or a team in dire financial trouble, like the Phoenix Suns or Boston Celtics.

Both the Suns and Celtics are set to be well above the second tax apron next season, which comes with a steep tax bill and roster-building limitations. After the Suns missed the playoffs and are facing a potential rebuild and Jayson Tatum’s Achilles tear that could lead to a gap year in Boston, getting under the second apron will be a priority for both franchises.

Robinson's partially guaranteed contract makes him valuable to teams in financial trouble.
That’s where Robinson comes in. The Suns and Celtics could target Robinson in a trade in an effort to get under the second tax apron. They would have to make other moves to create space, but saving $10 million would get them most of the way there.

https://allucanheat.com/heat-duncan-robinson-nba-most-coveted-trade-targets#:~:text=Robinson's%20partially%20guaranteed%20contract%20is,$10%20million%20of%20instant%20savings.

Barry Jackson:

Duncan Robinson's contract, combined with team options on 2 Suns players, give Phoenix a rare opportunity to climb not only below 2nd apron, but below the tax altogether. So there's a path for Heat - unless Suns ask for too much OR Heat doesn't want to give up Ware OR Spurs/Wolves outbid them OR Durant picks 1 of those teams and Suns cooperate. And yada yada

Just because it's everywhere- doesn't mean it's correct.

BobbieL is correct. Only the guaranteed portion of Duncan's contract is included for Heat's outgoing salary matching purposes.
His full contract is used for the Suns incoming salary matching purposes

[Sunsdeuce]

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I love how in every single trade rumor, it’s always, the team that is trading the player under contract has no leverage. Brooklyn was told the same thing when they traded KD to us and they got a haul. It’s never about leverage, it’s always about who is and who isn’t good at negotiating a trade.

[BobbieL]

Thats not how it works anymore.

Robinson either counts 10m in the trade or he counts 18. He cannot be traded and count 18m but be released to save $8m
The NBA changed that loophole half dozen years ago.

This info about Duncan's Robinson contract is everywhere.

The new CBA has forced several teams into tight financial corners, and the Miami Heat might have a panacea on its roster that looks like Duncan Robinson.

Robinson’s partially guaranteed contract is a rarity in today’s NBA. Of the $19.9 million Robinson is owed next season, just $9.8 million is guaranteed before June 29. That means that any team that waives Robinson before that date would get $10 million of instant savings.

That team could be the Heat or a team in dire financial trouble, like the Phoenix Suns or Boston Celtics.

Both the Suns and Celtics are set to be well above the second tax apron next season, which comes with a steep tax bill and roster-building limitations. After the Suns missed the playoffs and are facing a potential rebuild and Jayson Tatum’s Achilles tear that could lead to a gap year in Boston, getting under the second apron will be a priority for both franchises.

Robinson's partially guaranteed contract makes him valuable to teams in financial trouble.
That’s where Robinson comes in. The Suns and Celtics could target Robinson in a trade in an effort to get under the second tax apron. They would have to make other moves to create space, but saving $10 million would get them most of the way there.

https://allucanheat.com/heat-duncan-robinson-nba-most-coveted-trade-targets#:~:text=Robinson's%20partially%20guaranteed%20contract%20is,$10%20million%20of%20instant%20savings.

Barry Jackson:

Duncan Robinson's contract, combined with team options on 2 Suns players, give Phoenix a rare opportunity to climb not only below 2nd apron, but below the tax altogether. So there's a path for Heat - unless Suns ask for too much OR Heat doesn't want to give up Ware OR Spurs/Wolves outbid them OR Durant picks 1 of those teams and Suns cooperate. And yada yada

Just because it's everywhere- doesn't mean it's correct.

BobbieL is correct. Only the guaranteed portion of Duncan's contract is included for Heat's outgoing salary matching purposes.
His full contract is used for the Suns incoming salary matching purposes

Thanks for verifying. I am pretty sure the NBA got away with this loophole half a dozen years ago or so. As teams would trade for a player like Robinson and waive them and save the cap space. It was a workaround for both parties. In the old days the Heat would get a player making 17-19m that might be a better player or a longer term contract and the Suns would get a player like Robinson, waive them and save the cap space.

[Ghost of Kleine]

The Miami trade is just straight garbage, and only with Ware is it remotely decent but still not great in comparison to the multiple offers currently suggested. I'd say it's maybe the 4th best offer currently.

Ware will be a decent center but hasn't really shown a whole lot yet! Robinson and Rozier are best only as expiring value for cap reduction. Jovic has been mediocre as well as Jacquez. And I'd probably prefer Pelle Larsen and Keshad Johnson over either of Jokic and Jacquez.

Because I can honestly tell you all that we could just as easily find near identical archetype prospects from the late stages of the 2nd round to the undrafted ranges too. After so that you have a borderline late 1st in the 20th pick.

So essentially you'd be getting one decent young unproven center prospect, a couple big expiring contracts a mediocre lesser filler and a late 1st in a relatively shallow draft?? This would be a loss in relation to the other multiple offers on the table. And honestly shouldn't be accepted over any of the other trades noted so far.

The very best trades we must pursue are:

1- Toronto.
Quickly or Barrett with Poetl AND THE 9TH PICK!!!
** Trade the 9th pick along with Barrett and Poetl to Brooklyn for Johnson/ Claxton/ 19th/ 26th and 36th picks.

2- Houston.
Some package of Green/ J Smith Jr/ Landale/ Whitmore/ 10th pick.
** Trade J Green to one of Brooklyn, Chicago or Charlotte for other pieces and picks.

3- Minnesota.
Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ 17th pick AND 31st picks.
** Trade Dillingham to one of Washington (for 18th pick), Utah (for 21st pick), Atlanta (for 22nd pick) New Orleans (for the 23rd pick) Brooklyn (for the 26th and 38th picks). Then trade some combo of O'neale and Allen or O'neale and Di Vincenzo for other assets and picks. And keep the other player.

4- San Antonio
IF Vassell/ Barnes AND Sochan, then just accept the 14th pick and two 2nds? If no Sochan and Keldon Johnson, then the ATL 27' 1st is required!

5- Miami.
Only IF Ware is the centerpiece in the trade. And the package should be.....................
Ware/ Robinson/ Rozier/ Jovic or Jacquez/ 20th pick/ MIA 28' 1st.

If any of our thresholds aren't met in these trades by Monday (at the latest)!! Then we need to immediately jump to trading KD to:
( trade KD to a team he may not want to go to for the hest package FOR US)!!!

1- Toronto (wildcard rental team).
Some combination of Quickly or Barrett/ Poetl/ filler/ 9th pick/ TOR future 1st. Simply the very best pick we could get back for KD!!

2- Atlanta.
Combo of Daniels or Johnson/ Mann/ filler/ 13th pick/ 22nd pick/ future 1st.

3- New Orleans.
For Zion/ Olynyk/ 23rd pick or Murray/ Herb Jones/ 23rd pick?

4- Boston.
For Porzingis with other fillers (Boston) going to other teams for draft assets that come back to Phoenix??

4- OKC.
For Hartenstein/ Caruso/ Dieng/ 15th pick/ 24th pick/ Utah 26' 1st.
OR
Memphis.
Clarke/ Konchar/ Huff/ GG Jackson/ Pullin/ 16th and 48th picks/ PHX 26' 1st (swap back)/ MEM 28' 1st.

Thanks and agreed! I just don't think we can actively try to suck with no picks in the forseeable future and Book on board. No point. Also fk KD.
We need some starting level players who hustle, and play the right position(s) - god knows we need everything, so not a huge task, as I wouldn't want to manuver too much and try to stick other teams trash (I'm looking at you Greenboy, Houston is actively trying to trade you for 2+ years and no takers...) to someone else.
So yea, the list you put up there is also my preference. RJ can play SF, good contract, might be able to get a bit better, he showed (small) improvement pretty much every year. Poetl is solid. Pick is really good.
Houston - I could not care less about Green, but in theory we can get him to another team - just dont expect any good return, as Houston would have gladly traded him by now if there were any bids. They didn't want to re-sign him after his rookie deal. He is bad, his contract is worse. So we abso-fng-lutely need another good young player and pick next to Jabari. Whitmore and #10 work for me, I could do Whitmore and Sheppard, or Sheppard+#10, or get Eason in there somehow... But Green+Jabari+fillers just dont cut it - take the Raptors package then.
Minnesota - tiny bit less overall value as Raptors, bit different players. Gobert is know commodity, gotta flip DVV, try out Dilly, 17th pick is OKish. If Houston acts like azz with their offer, this is also better than Green+Jabari - as stated above we need to "win now" - if not, might as well trade Book.
SA - pretty much as Houston. Vassell is nice, but didnt light the world on fire, and he will be a bench player there, and his contract is too big for that.

Oh! I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying too man! And I actually don't have any intention of sucking if we can avoid it! My plan is actually somewhat simple in that we should do these specific steps to expedite our reliad correctly. If followed as premised, we should be back in the playoffs by the 27 season and therefore fully negate/ mitigate the recieving value Houston would get from our 27' 1st.

And then around 29, we'll either be really competitive again, or we'll be trading Booker and seek to utilize him to get our 29' 1st back and possibly our 31' 1st if possible. In the meantime, I'd look to follow these steps:

1- Take the Toronto deal to get the package of Quickly or Barrett/ Poetl/ 9th pick ( ** See if I can squeeze one more future 1st out if them)??

** I'd immediately follow up that trade with a trade back with Brooklyn for Johnson and Claxton. Something along the lines of Barrett/ Poetl/ O'neale/ 9th pick/ for Cam Johnson/ Nik Claxton/ 19th, 26th, 36th pick. AND the PHI 28' 1st (Top 8 protected). Now we've turned the 9th pick into multiple picks and a potential high value future 1st.

We've also turned Barrett and Poetl into Johnson and Claxton , not only addressing a need for a faceup/ floor spacing 3/4, but a starting caliber young, athletic elite defensive center in Claxton. And we have a feel good story in bringing back Johnson.

2- I'd then look to trade Allen/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st to Chicago for Ball/ J Smith. In doing this, we've just added a starting point guard compliment in Ball alongside of Booker who's the perfect compliment defensively with size and playmaking. And we've added a functional cost controlled backup utility 3 & D 4/ small ball 5 to compliment Ighodaro.

3- During this summer, I'd have Booker and Cam Johnson low key collude ( during the summer quietly) to influence Bridges to come and sign here with us as a free agent! And if we get a secret commitment from him, then we go ahead and buyout/ stretch Beal if he doesn't agree to he traded by then.

In the draft, we'd strategically target/ draft:
( ALL COST CONTROLLED TALENT/ DEPTH PIECES) !
19- Maxime Raynaud. Pau Gasol.
26- Adou Thiero. OG Anunoby.
29- Ben Saraf. Goran Dragic/ Milos Theodosic.
36- Sion James. Marcus Smart/ D Bane.
52. Vlad Goldin. Ivaca Zubac.

Now we're loaded with assets, young cost controlled talent and depth/ positional versatility.

Ball/ Booker/ Dunn/ Johnson/ Claxton.
Saraf / Beal/ T Craig / J Smith/ Ighodaro.
Gillespie/ James/ Thiero/ Raynaud/ Goldin.

** Booker, Beal and Johnson carry the offense and Ball, Dunn Claxton, Thiero, and James carry the defense.

Then in the summer of 26' our roster becomes

Ball/ Booker/ Bridges/ Johnson/ Claxton.
Saraf/ FA / Dunn/ J Smith/ Ighodaro.
Gillespie/ James/ Thiero/ Raynaud/ Ighodaro.

That's a young, exciting, athletic and long physical roster and a playoff team for sure. And we'll have tradable assets to acquire more future picks going forward if needed.

[Saberestar]

This info about Duncan's Robinson contract is everywhere.


https://allucanheat.com/heat-duncan-robinson-nba-most-coveted-trade-targets#:~:text=Robinson's%20partially%20guaranteed%20contract%20is,$10%20million%20of%20instant%20savings.

Barry Jackson:

Just because it's everywhere- doesn't mean it's correct.

BobbieL is correct. Only the guaranteed portion of Duncan's contract is included for Heat's outgoing salary matching purposes.
His full contract is used for the Suns incoming salary matching purposes

Thanks for verifying. I am pretty sure the NBA got away with this loophole half a dozen years ago or so. As teams would trade for a player like Robinson and waive them and save the cap space. It was a workaround for both parties. In the old days the Heat would get a player making 17-19m that might be a better player or a longer term contract and the Suns would get a player like Robinson, waive them and save the cap space.

Here is the full explanation. And there is more places talkig about ut, one by Yossi Gozlan.

But Miami has one carrot that other teams do not: Duncan Robinson’s unusual contract.

And that contract presents an opportunity for some cost-conscious owners to secure a get-out-of-jail card.

But that trade would be cap compliant for Miami because of the 125 percent rule and would be cap compliant for Phoenix because they’re taking back less money than they send out, a requirement for teams over either apron, and not aggregating contracts, a requirement for teams over the second apron.

But here’s the catch: To make a trade like that, the Heat, by NBA rule, must stay under the first apron. In other words, the trade is prohibited if it puts Miami over the first apron.

Without factoring in Davion Mitchell or its first round pick or Keshad Johnson’s team option, Miami is about $16 million below the first apron. That shrinks by $10 million in that Phoenix/Robinson/Durant hypothetical transaction and would leave the Heat with only nine players under contract, forcing Miami to fill most remaining roster spots with minimum deals unless it can dump money elsewhere.

That would make a Mitchell return unlikely. Keep in mind that the cap hit for the 20th pick of last year’s draft, Cleveland’s Jaylon Tyson, was $3.3 million and that will rise a bit and must be accounted for on Miami’s cap if the pick isn’t traded. The Durant hypothetical above would require that pick being dealt unless Miami can offload money in a different deal.

Even though the Suns likely could get more for Durant than the aforementioned hypothetical Heat package, the Robinson contract -- if he’s traded before July 8 -- has value for an owner looking to get his team under either apron.

If the Suns made that trade and then cut Robinson -- and waived Cody Martin (whose contract is non-guaranteed) and declined Vasa Micic’s team option -- their payroll would go from $210 million to $183 million, which is below the $187.9 million luxury tax threshold and give the Suns far more flexibility.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article305507506.html?espv=1

https://www.thirdapron.com/p/miami-heat-offseason-opportunities

[BobbieL]

Just because it's everywhere- doesn't mean it's correct.

BobbieL is correct. Only the guaranteed portion of Duncan's contract is included for Heat's outgoing salary matching purposes.
His full contract is used for the Suns incoming salary matching purposes

Thanks for verifying. I am pretty sure the NBA got away with this loophole half a dozen years ago or so. As teams would trade for a player like Robinson and waive them and save the cap space. It was a workaround for both parties. In the old days the Heat would get a player making 17-19m that might be a better player or a longer term contract and the Suns would get a player like Robinson, waive them and save the cap space.

Here is the full explanation. And there is more places talkig about ut, one by Yossi Gozlan.

But Miami has one carrot that other teams do not: Duncan Robinson’s unusual contract.

And that contract presents an opportunity for some cost-conscious owners to secure a get-out-of-jail card.

But that trade would be cap compliant for Miami because of the 125 percent rule and would be cap compliant for Phoenix because they’re taking back less money than they send out, a requirement for teams over either apron, and not aggregating contracts, a requirement for teams over the second apron.

But here’s the catch: To make a trade like that, the Heat, by NBA rule, must stay under the first apron. In other words, the trade is prohibited if it puts Miami over the first apron.

Without factoring in Davion Mitchell or its first round pick or Keshad Johnson’s team option, Miami is about $16 million below the first apron. That shrinks by $10 million in that Phoenix/Robinson/Durant hypothetical transaction and would leave the Heat with only nine players under contract, forcing Miami to fill most remaining roster spots with minimum deals unless it can dump money elsewhere.

That would make a Mitchell return unlikely. Keep in mind that the cap hit for the 20th pick of last year’s draft, Cleveland’s Jaylon Tyson, was $3.3 million and that will rise a bit and must be accounted for on Miami’s cap if the pick isn’t traded. The Durant hypothetical above would require that pick being dealt unless Miami can offload money in a different deal.

Even though the Suns likely could get more for Durant than the aforementioned hypothetical Heat package, the Robinson contract -- if he’s traded before July 8 -- has value for an owner looking to get his team under either apron.

If the Suns made that trade and then cut Robinson -- and waived Cody Martin (whose contract is non-guaranteed) and declined Vasa Micic’s team option -- their payroll would go from $210 million to $183 million, which is below the $187.9 million luxury tax threshold and give the Suns far more flexibility.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article305507506.html?espv=1

https://www.thirdapron.com/p/miami-heat-offseason-opportunities

thanks for the explanation

So would Ishbia take this trade for the financial reasons alone. Wiggins, Ware, Robinson and a pick for Durant. Robinson is waived

Robinson was always filler anyway. Unless he takes Rozier over Wiggins since he is an expiring

that said, could care less about Ishbias pocketbook - he was the idiot who made the moves - suck it up buttercup

I want the best trade possible and not basically Ware and the 20th pick

[tester551]

Just because it's everywhere- doesn't mean it's correct.

BobbieL is correct. Only the guaranteed portion of Duncan's contract is included for Heat's outgoing salary matching purposes.
His full contract is used for the Suns incoming salary matching purposes

Thanks for verifying. I am pretty sure the NBA got away with this loophole half a dozen years ago or so. As teams would trade for a player like Robinson and waive them and save the cap space. It was a workaround for both parties. In the old days the Heat would get a player making 17-19m that might be a better player or a longer term contract and the Suns would get a player like Robinson, waive them and save the cap space.

Here is the full explanation. And there is more places talkig about ut, one by Yossi Gozlan.

But Miami has one carrot that other teams do not: Duncan Robinson’s unusual contract.

And that contract presents an opportunity for some cost-conscious owners to secure a get-out-of-jail card.

But that trade would be cap compliant for Miami because of the 125 percent rule and would be cap compliant for Phoenix because they’re taking back less money than they send out, a requirement for teams over either apron, and not aggregating contracts, a requirement for teams over the second apron.

But here’s the catch: To make a trade like that, the Heat, by NBA rule, must stay under the first apron. In other words, the trade is prohibited if it puts Miami over the first apron.

Without factoring in Davion Mitchell or its first round pick or Keshad Johnson’s team option, Miami is about $16 million below the first apron. That shrinks by $10 million in that Phoenix/Robinson/Durant hypothetical transaction and would leave the Heat with only nine players under contract, forcing Miami to fill most remaining roster spots with minimum deals unless it can dump money elsewhere.

That would make a Mitchell return unlikely. Keep in mind that the cap hit for the 20th pick of last year’s draft, Cleveland’s Jaylon Tyson, was $3.3 million and that will rise a bit and must be accounted for on Miami’s cap if the pick isn’t traded. The Durant hypothetical above would require that pick being dealt unless Miami can offload money in a different deal.

Even though the Suns likely could get more for Durant than the aforementioned hypothetical Heat package, the Robinson contract -- if he’s traded before July 8 -- has value for an owner looking to get his team under either apron.

If the Suns made that trade and then cut Robinson -- and waived Cody Martin (whose contract is non-guaranteed) and declined Vasa Micic’s team option -- their payroll would go from $210 million to $183 million, which is below the $187.9 million luxury tax threshold and give the Suns far more flexibility.

https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article305507506.html?espv=1

https://www.thirdapron.com/p/miami-heat-offseason-opportunities

Again... Incorrect information.

Here it is directly from the CBA.
https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf

On Page 267 of 676

(6) For purposes of calculating a Team’s Traded Player Exception under this Section 6(j), a Traded Player’s Salary shall be deemed reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness (or may become not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness due to additional conditions or limitations set forth in the Exhibit 2 of the player’s Contract). For purposes of this Section 6(j)(6):

...

(iii) With respect to the assignment of Player Contracts occurring during the period from the day following the last day of a Regular Season through June 30 of that Salary Cap Year, a Traded Player’s Salary will equal the lesser of: (x) the player’s Salary for the current Salary Cap Year; and (y) the player’s Salary for the subsequent Salary Cap Year reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation for the subsequent Salary Cap Year that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness (or may become not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness due to additional conditions or limitations set forth in the Exhibit 2 of the player’s Contract).

The CBA gives a couple of examples immediately after this section.

Regardless - Robinson counts as $9.9M for the Heat as outgoing salary (this can be increased by guaranteeing more of his salary as needed). Any team receiving Robinson has to be able to absorb his full $19.9M salary under the CBA.


*** EDIT ***
After reading your response again - Gozlan is conflating a few things. There's nothing special about Duncan's contract. What Gozlan is emphasizing is the salary matching requirements. If Heat are below the 1st Apron, then they are able to use 1.25x the outgoing salary to match salaries.

It's the 1.25x matching that is 'creating the savings' -> not Duncan's contract.

Think of it this way -> Suns can trade KD to the Nets into cap space and only get back draft picks. This would be a legal trade and magically clear $54M off the Suns books.

[Ghost of Kleine]

This isn't rocket science or any kind of big time conundrum on what the Suns should do here! IF the Suns obviously aren't getting their 1sts back from Houston, then the best, most strategic counter and responsible move would be to take the actual best offer that IS AVAILABLE!!! ( Bird in hand)!!

And that deal is clearly the Toronto deal of either Quickly or Barrett/ Poetl/ filler AND the 9th pick !! It's simply the highest and most premium lotto pick being offered that we can leverage in a trade back scenario on draft night ( or prior to) in order to garner more assets and better positional depth pieces.

This would be a critical smart move for us because without being able to get our 1sts back from Houston ( EFFF HOUSTON)!!! the best thing we fan do is acquire premium assets and then leverage those assets to upgrade our roster and also losd up on young, athletic cost controlled youth.

This would vault us into the playoffs more rapidly prior to the 27 draft and dramatically mitigate/ reduce the overall value of the 27' 1st. And buy us more time to also keep improving and mitigate the 29' 1st too!

Make the smartest and obvious choice and take the Toronto deal quick before it's off the table!!! The 9th pick is better than any other pick being offered. And Barrett is still only a 25 yr old athletic wing that put up near all star level production ( there's value in that)!!

And Poetl is still a very functional solid 7 ft defensive starting caliber center putting up around a (per 36) of 17/ 11/ 3 assists/ 1.5 blocks. And both players contracts expire at the same time in 27 along with Beal's.


So if we didn't trade them ( and the 9th pick) to Brooklyn for Johnson and Claxton and multiple picks, and we held onto them, we could generate around #49 million + Beal's 57 million, giving us upwards of 106 million to completely revamp/ reload our roster in the very loaded 27' summer of free agency.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Well then Houston can flounder getting booted in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs for the next 5 years. KD is the best chance they have to be a true contender. Onto the next team.

Except every team's offer is probably just as bad.

Not the Raptors though, even for a rental option oddly enough.

[BobbieL]

This isn't rocket science or any kind of big time conundrum on what the Suns should do here! IF the Suns obviously aren't getting their 1sts back from Houston, then the best, most strategic counter and responsible move would be to take the actual best offer that IS AVAILABLE!!! ( Bird in hand)!!

And that deal is clearly the Toronto deal of either Quickly or Barrett/ Poetl/ filler AND the 9th pick !! It's simply the highest and most premium lotto pick being offered that we can leverage in a trade back scenario on draft night ( or prior to) in order to garner more assets and better positional depth pieces.

This would be a critical smart move for us because without being able to get our 1sts back from Houston ( EFFF HOUSTON)!!! the best thing we fan do is acquire premium assets and then leverage those assets to upgrade our roster and also losd up on young, athletic cost controlled youth.

This would vault us into the playoffs more rapidly prior to the 27 draft and dramatically mitigate/ reduce the overall value of the 27' 1st. And buy us more time to also keep improving and mitigate the 29' 1st too!

Make the smartest and obvious choice and take the Toronto deal quick before it's off the table!!! The 9th pick is better than any other pick being offered. And Barrett is still only a 25 yr old athletic wing that put up near all star level production ( there's value in that)!!

And Poetl is still a very functional solid 7 ft defensive starting caliber center putting up around a (per 36) of 17/ 11/ 3 assists/ 1.5 blocks. And both players contracts expire at the same time in 27 along with Beal's.


So if we didn't trade them ( and the 9th pick) to Brooklyn for Johnson and Claxton and multiple picks, and we held onto them, we could generate around #49 million + Beal's 57 million, giving us upwards of 106 million to completely revamp/ reload our roster in the very loaded 27' summer of free agency.

Spurs come on - just give up Castle

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I just don't see it happening with Miami and Ware. And honestly, the rest of their package is underwhelming garbage. Even thev20th pick is fairly mediocre too.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Wouldn't surprise me too much if true? KD put out a report denying it though. But really, what else is he supposed to say.

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[tester551]

Again... Incorrect information.

Here it is directly from the CBA.
https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf

On Page 267 of 676

(6) For purposes of calculating a Team’s Traded Player Exception under this Section 6(j), a Traded Player’s Salary shall be deemed reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness (or may become not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness due to additional conditions or limitations set forth in the Exhibit 2 of the player’s Contract). For purposes of this Section 6(j)(6):

...

(iii) With respect to the assignment of Player Contracts occurring during the period from the day following the last day of a Regular Season through June 30 of that Salary Cap Year, a Traded Player’s Salary will equal the lesser of: (x) the player’s Salary for the current Salary Cap Year; and (y) the player’s Salary for the subsequent Salary Cap Year reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation for the subsequent Salary Cap Year that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness (or may become not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness due to additional conditions or limitations set forth in the Exhibit 2 of the player’s Contract).

The CBA gives a couple of examples immediately after this section.

Regardless - Robinson counts as $9.9M for the Heat as outgoing salary (this can be increased by guaranteeing more of his salary as needed). Any team receiving Robinson has to be able to absorb his full $19.9M salary under the CBA.


*** EDIT ***
After reading your response again - Gozlan is conflating a few things. There's nothing special about Duncan's contract. What Gozlan is emphasizing is the salary matching requirements. If Heat are below the 1st Apron, then they are able to use 1.25x the outgoing salary to match salaries.

It's the 1.25x matching that is 'creating the savings' -> not Duncan's contract.

Think of it this way -> Suns can trade KD to the Nets into cap space and only get back draft picks. This would be a legal trade and magically clear $54M off the Suns books.

Just for clarity - there are lots of teams under the 1st apron that can create ~$11M of cap savings for the Suns.

Being over the Cap, but under the Apron -> the requirement is 1.25x the salary. If Suns send out KD at $54.7M, the other team would need to send out approximately $43.7M (=54.7/1.25).
For example, on Fanspo -> the Jazz trading Collins+Clarkson+Fillipowski (totaling $43.8M) for KD is a legal trade. This would save ~$11M off the cap number.

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