Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[MiamiSPX]

Are these the reported offers?

TOR Poeltl + IQ/RJ + 9
HOU Green + 10
SA Vassell + Johnson + 14
MIA Wiggins + Robinson + 20
MIN Gobert + DiVincenzo + 17

If we're offering #9 and multiple role players for a guy who's 1-2 years away from retirement, we're beyond cooked.

PHX should be taking our offer if they had any brains but I'm not 100% sure Poeltl is on the table as media guys have suggested

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

[OakleyDokely]

If we're offering #9 and multiple role players for a guy who's 1-2 years away from retirement, we're beyond cooked.

Doubt we are tbh.

The trade would have been done if those were the offers.

ya, maybe that's what PHX wants

[MiamiSPX]

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[WuTang_CMB]

If we're offering #9 and multiple role players for a guy who's 1-2 years away from retirement, we're beyond cooked.

PHX should be taking our offer if they had any brains but I'm not 100% sure Poeltl is on the table as media guys have suggested

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

ya it would be irresponsible to go after KD and lose Poeltl

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[HangTime]

PHX should be taking our offer if they had any brains but I'm not 100% sure Poeltl is on the table as media guys have suggested

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

ya it would be irresponsible to go after KD and lose Poeltl

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Maybe we could a secondary deal with the with the Suns to get Oso Ighodaro.

Or, who knows, maybe Ulrich is way, way ahead of schedule.

[RaptorLakerJay]

If we're offering #9 and multiple role players for a guy who's 1-2 years away from retirement, we're beyond cooked.

PHX should be taking our offer if they had any brains but I'm not 100% sure Poeltl is on the table as media guys have suggested

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

Including Poeltl is probably the only way to make it work financially, no?

[WuTang_CMB]

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

ya it would be irresponsible to go after KD and lose Poeltl

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Maybe we could a secondary deal with the with the Suns to get Oso Ighodaro.

Or, who knows, maybe Ulrich is way, way ahead of schedule.

I think its a pipe dream to think we can lose Poeltl and replace him easily. Poeltl can flat out play and he's underrated on this board.
The only thing that would convince me they trade him this off-season is if they are dead set on playing 5 out

[LoveMyRaps]

ya it would be irresponsible to go after KD and lose Poeltl

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Maybe we could a secondary deal with the with the Suns to get Oso Ighodaro.

Or, who knows, maybe Ulrich is way, way ahead of schedule.

I think its a pipe dream to think we can lose Poeltl and replace him easily. Poeltl can flat out play and he's underrated on this board.
The only thing that would convince me they trade him this off-season is if they are dead set on playing 5 out

Out of curiosity - Are you willing to pay Poeltl 30mil next summer?

[Raptors Realtor]

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

ya it would be irresponsible to go after KD and lose Poeltl

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Maybe we could a secondary deal with the with the Suns to get Oso Ighodaro.

Or, who knows, maybe Ulrich is way, way ahead of schedule.

We'd need a vet center if we're serious about contending, and Chomche missed the 2nd half of last season due to a partial MCL tear and likely won't be ready to compete for nba mins this season, as he'll need more development.

[Scase]

PHX should be taking our offer if they had any brains but I'm not 100% sure Poeltl is on the table as media guys have suggested

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

ya it would be irresponsible to go after KD and lose Poeltl

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[WuTang_CMB]

Maybe we could a secondary deal with the with the Suns to get Oso Ighodaro.

Or, who knows, maybe Ulrich is way, way ahead of schedule.

I think its a pipe dream to think we can lose Poeltl and replace him easily. Poeltl can flat out play and he's underrated on this board.
The only thing that would convince me they trade him this off-season is if they are dead set on playing 5 out

Out of curiosity - Are you willing to pay Poeltl 30mil next summer?

I personally wouldn't but I don't think he's getting $30M if Turner is. I would rank Turner above.
You gotta give him a raise though on his $19.5 ... if you can land him at $23-$24M you probably extend him.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Maybe we could a secondary deal with the with the Suns to get Oso Ighodaro.

Or, who knows, maybe Ulrich is way, way ahead of schedule.

I think its a pipe dream to think we can lose Poeltl and replace him easily. Poeltl can flat out play and he's underrated on this board.
The only thing that would convince me they trade him this off-season is if they are dead set on playing 5 out

Out of curiosity - Are you willing to pay Poeltl 30mil next summer?

For a top ten player at one of the hardest positions to fill, yes.

[Tha Cynic]

None of these teams are desperate for Durant so it’s all value play.

Raptors want a core of
Poeltl
Barnes
Durant
Ingram

This makes a ton of sense and you can see why they offer IQ, RJ and maybe even the pick in a three way.

Miami is always sitting and waiting for a star to choose them due to weather and taxes and have a supporting cast. This has worked and will continue to work.

Houston and SAN Antonio have different timelines so if they can get him for cheap- great. Otherwise they don’t care.


I think the Raptors have the best offer, but if Miami gives them Ware I think they have a better young prospect Phoenix will prefer.

[WuTang_CMB]

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The reports that the Raptors are monitoring his situation are credible and make sense, given Toronto had conversations with the Suns back in February about the possibility of a Durant trade.

But to cut through some of the smoke: multiple sources have confirmed to me that Raptors centre Jakob Poeltl would not be part of any deal — however unlikely a Raptors-Suns deal might be — centred around Durant. The Suns were asking for Poeltl at the trade deadline and got a firm ‘no’ back then, but that hasn’t stopped them from asking, apparently.

The best way to understand any mention of Poeltl being in a trade for Durant — or anyone else, but in this case with the Suns — is to recognize that Phoenix is trying to drive up the price. They are looking to recoup value after trading two quality starters, Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson, along with four unprotected first-round picks, for just over two seasons of Durant that yielded a second-round playoff exit, a first-round playoff exit, and no Play-In appearance this past season.

If the Raptors are presented as having a strong offer waiting in the wings, perhaps one of Durant’s preferred suitors steps up with something richer, or a team like Minnesota — another team with interest that’s outside Durant’s list — sweetens the pot.

Toronto’s goal this summer is simple: build a roster competitive enough to at least have a puncher’s chance at reaching the Conference Finals and beyond next season. So yes, they are monitoring the Durant marketplace. Even as he’s about to turn 37, Durant can lift a team like few others, given he has averaged 26.9 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 4.7 assists while shooting 57 percent on two-point attempts and 42.1 percent on threes across nearly 139 games.

But there’s no point in adding a player like Durant if the team around him can’t compete. As Poeltl has repeatedly shown since Toronto re-acquired him at the trade deadline in 2023, the Raptors struggle significantly when he doesn’t play.


A more likely scenario is that the Raptors reach a contract extension with Poeltl sooner rather than later, with the structure and timing designed to offer the club flexibility as they build out a competitive roster.

Poeltl is eligible for a three-year, $88.2 million extension if he opts into the final year of his current deal, or a four-year, $121.8 million extension if he opts out and signs a new contract starting this season. Opting into the final year of his current $19.5 million deal would give the Raptors some additional cap flexibility for any acquisitions they might want to pursue this summer.

The Raptors need Poeltl to be competitive in any scenario, and just as importantly, Poeltl — coming off a career year at age 29 — wants to remain in Toronto for whatever turnaround lies ahead, as he told me when we spoke in Orlando at season’s end:

“I’ve bought into this process and I’ve kind of gone through the tough times already,” he said. “So this is my home right now, and I really hope it’s going to be in the future as well.”

The Raptors do too.

[WuTang_CMB]

None of these teams are desperate for Durant so it’s all value play.

Raptors want a core of
Poeltl
Barnes
Durant
Ingram

This makes a ton of sense and you can see why they offer IQ, RJ and maybe even the pick in a three way.

Miami is always sitting and waiting for a star to choose them due to weather and taxes and have a supporting cast. This has worked and will continue to work.

Houston and SAN Antonio have different timelines so if they can get him for cheap- great. Otherwise they don’t care.


I think the Raptors have the best offer, but if Miami gives them Ware I think they give appendix a better young piece.

This is where I'm at. Minny is out of it IMO cuz Durant is saying no don't even bother .... so to blow up a conference finals team with solid players... for what exactly? West isn't the East. You are guaranteed nothing and chances are they take a step back with that deal anyway losing Gobert since their defense will suffer.

Hou-SAS as you said. Different timelines. They are both in REALLY GOOD positions for the future. There's no use to do something like this.

MIA - desperate to do something but they are also offering scraps. Even if Ware is included - is that a good enough deal? Lol. What's so good about Wiggins and Ware with Booker? Where tf is that getting you.

In Toronto's case, if it is IQ and 9, you get a starting caliber PG and #9 to find a future centre... RJ would have to go the other way somewhere and PHX gets something else.

[LoveMyRaps]

IQ + RJ for KD

Doesn't sound tooooooooo bad.

[ATLTimekeeper]

PHX should be taking our offer if they had any brains but I'm not 100% sure Poeltl is on the table as media guys have suggested

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

Including Poeltl is probably the only way to make it work financially, no?

I don't think there's a combo that can work without Poeltl, so not sure what Grange is smoking. We know he is completely shut out by the Raptors these days for his pro Ed agenda.

[Godaddycurse]

Despite what has been reported, I think one of Poeltl or #9 is not in our current offer.

Including Poeltl is probably the only way to make it work financially, no?

I don't think there's a combo that can work without Poeltl, so not sure what Grange is smoking. We know he is completely shut out by the Raptors these days for his pro Ed agenda.

IQ + RJ
Or
Ingram+ RJ

Both will need a 3rd team

[LoveMyRaps]

I think its a pipe dream to think we can lose Poeltl and replace him easily. Poeltl can flat out play and he's underrated on this board.
The only thing that would convince me they trade him this off-season is if they are dead set on playing 5 out

Out of curiosity - Are you willing to pay Poeltl 30mil next summer?

I personally wouldn't but I don't think he's getting $30M if Turner is. I would rank Turner above.
You gotta give him a raise though on his $19.5 ... if you can land him at $23-$24M you probably extend him.

We're definitely not extending Poeltl for anything less than 25mil AAV.

Jarrett Allen got 30mil, so I think Poeltl will be around there as well. My guess is ~28.

[Shakril]

If you have KD + Ingram you don't need RJ or IQ. One goes to bring in KD, the other goes to back-fill depth to fit KD-Ingram-Scottie. The Raptors are basically saying, 'whatever gets the deal done' and then they work on building up a roster full of vets for KD.

Building a roster around a 37 year old KD is the biggest sign your franchise is cooked. Please God don't let anything close to what you're saying actually happen lol

I mean it’s amazing that everyone can see this is a bad idea except massive homers and apparently our front office.

Its one of the few discussion points, were most are in agreement.