Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[Mavrelous]

Tim Cato is reporting that Mavs interest is Jrue is "real" whatever that means...

Unless its for Klay, Martin, and/or Hardy, short sighted foolishness again for Nico

I had him at Klay, Hardy and Gafford, but I suspect Nico will overpay.

[daoneandonly]

Tim Cato is reporting that Mavs interest is Jrue is "real" whatever that means...

Unless its for Klay, Martin, and/or Hardy, short sighted foolishness again for Nico

I had him at Klay, Hardy and Gafford, but I suspect Nico will overpay.

I just dont see why Jrue at his age, contract, and declining skill would be worth anything positive, like Gaff. Smaller negative contracts like Klay Caleb and Hardy are his market, but yeah, with Nico all bad things are possible.

[djFan71]

Following up on the Jrue discussion from an unrelated thread I shouldn't have injected it into and moving here.

Start around 37:20 of this, they report that the Kings checked in on Jrue, but were told that the Cs had better offers on the table. Gotta listen a few minutes but then they eventually guess that it was Devin Carter and picks but not enough. Don't say which picks, etc, but then also go on to mention Murray and Ellis but still say BOS has gotten better offers. Which seems insane, lol. I mean, I like Jrue a lot on/off court and think he's undervalued here, but even I don't expect THAT much for him.

And, funnily, if you keep listening after their break the first commenter says Perry should be fired if he does include those guys.

So, yeah, it's tough to pin down. PJ obviously cheaper, younger and expiring. Jrue is better on court, imo. The last year of the deal is where you could get in trouble, but you get 2 years where he can help elevate a team to a championship. To me, that outweighs the downside. I know this year wasn't as good as the first BOS season, but with the deep playoff run and Olympics basically the entire BOS team wasn't as good this season. Other than White, who's not human. I definitely expect a bounceback year from Jrue.

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Disagree

i've seen many threads of PJ being worth a 1st of varying degree of value
I've seen zero threads of other teams fans offering a 1st for Jrue

There was a SAC insider saying they called about Jrue and there were picks involved, but they said BOS told them they had better offers.
I'll see if I can find the link, but will be a bit later. And, even if I do, I know it's just 1 insider, but the prevailing winds from BOS side is that they are looking for a pick back. Whether they get it or not is of course tbd.

[ACMFFL]

Unless its for Klay, Martin, and/or Hardy, short sighted foolishness again for Nico

I had him at Klay, Hardy and Gafford, but I suspect Nico will overpay.

I just dont see why Jrue at his age, contract, and declining skill would be worth anything positive, like Gaff. Smaller negative contracts like Klay Caleb and Hardy are his market, but yeah, with Nico all bad things are possible.

Yeah, zero interest in Jrue unless it's for Klay/Caleb/Martin.
Honestly I wouldn't trade PJ for Jrue even with #28 attached, it's not worth the candle to give up PJ and eat all of that money for just a very late 1st.

[hoopsfan777]

Murray, Hawkins, #23, NOP/MIL'26 1st round pick
for
Claxton and #36

[jayjaysee]

Another Monk to Dallas attempt.

Isaac, Naji, 25 to Sac
Goga and Monk to Dallas
Gafford and distant Dallas 2nd(s) to Orlando
Dump Powell using Prosper on someone.

Sac gets two two way players and a late first for Monk. Trade Demar+ for a vet point guard.

Dallas keeps a reliable backup center and gets their playmaker without giving up PJ, even though roster fit says they should look at it.

Orlando gets under the tax, while improving their center play. Leaves them with 11 contracts and 181~ million (I think)... So enough room to stay under tax or dump Howard and try to use part of MLE if they want..

[daoneandonly]

When did Monk become a play maker? He's an undersized SG by everything I've seen.

[oldncreaky]

Another Monk to Dallas attempt.

Isaac, Naji, 25 to Sac
Goga and Monk to Dallas
Gafford and distant Dallas 2nd(s) to Orlando
Dump Powell using Prosper on someone.

Sac gets two two way players and a late first for Monk. Trade Demar+ for a vet point guard.

Dallas keeps a reliable backup center and gets their playmaker without giving up PJ, even though roster fit says they should look at it.

Orlando gets under the tax, while improving their center play. Leaves them with 11 contracts and 181~ million (I think)... So enough room to stay under tax or dump Howard and try to use part of MLE if they want..

I don't buy the ORL portion. Their C rotation when healthy is roughly WCJ/Wagner/Isaac/Goga. I'm not sure where I'd put Gafford in that pecking order (maybe 4th?) but it absolutely shouldn't be their priority to get yet another guy who's a playable C.

Also, I think Goga is a good asset: a playable backup C, locked in on a cheap contract. I have that as an enticing asset to a bunch of teams, and if not now, then at the TDL. That won't need to take back any salary to move him.

[jayjaysee]

Murray, Hawkins, #23, NOP/MIL'26 1st round pick
for
Claxton and #36

Feels like a no brainer for Brooklyn.. Especially with their interest in Giannis.. fast forward two months sign Myles Turner, trading for Giannis..

You have no faith in Missi developing? Why not use him as the value for Claxton?

[jayjaysee]

When did Monk become a play maker? He's an undersized SG by everything I've seen.

Don’t think anyone is valuing Monk as a great playmaker. Just better than what Dallas has.

[JHFVF07]

When did Monk become a play maker? He's an undersized SG by everything I've seen.

Don’t think anyone is valuing Monk as a great playmaker. Just better than what Dallas has.

I still dont understand how a Reaves for Gafford swap wasnt included on Luka's trade.

[jayjaysee]

When did Monk become a play maker? He's an undersized SG by everything I've seen.

Don’t think anyone is valuing Monk as a great playmaker. Just better than what Dallas has.

I still dont understand how a Reaves for Gafford swap wasnt included on Luka's trade.

I don’t like to think back on the Luka trade.

But it was bad so I’m not surprised... And it looks like the front office is going to stay bad (not trade AD or try to trade for an actual star to win with AD)

[hoopsfan777]

Murray, Hawkins, #23, NOP/MIL'26 1st round pick
for
Claxton and #36

Feels like a no brainer for Brooklyn.. Especially with their interest in Giannis.. fast forward two months sign Myles Turner, trading for Giannis..

You have no faith in Missi developing? Why not use him as the value for Claxton?

Swap out Missi for #23?

I think Missi will get better. I like the Missi/Matkovic/Olynyk rotation backing up the 4/5.

[zimpy27]

What's happens to.Grimes?

[TheNetsFan]

Murray, Hawkins, #23, NOP/MIL'26 1st round pick
for
Claxton and #36

Feels like a no brainer for Brooklyn.. Especially with their interest in Giannis.. fast forward two months sign Myles Turner, trading for Giannis..

You have no faith in Missi developing? Why not use him as the value for Claxton?

I like the deal because of the potential value of the '26 pick. I don't think the Nets are going to pursue Giannis this year though.

[TheNetsFan]

Houston out: Green, Brooks, Whitmore, 10
Houston in: Durant

Phoenix out: Durant
Phoenix in: Brooks, Claxton, Whitmore, 19, 26, 27

Brooklyn out: Claxton, 19, 26, 27
Brooklyn in: Green, 10

who says no?

Both the Nets and Suns likely do. That's too many picks plus Claxton plus having to take on Green just to move up 9 spots. For the Suns, there's no remotely "premium" piece in that deal.

[Jojothewhale]

What's happens to.Grimes?

I would assume he re-signs unless Brooklyn wants him. It’s a boring answer I know, but the whims of the Nets determine so much.

Hollinger has him at 3/55-60.

[HornetJail]

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thought your CHA/SAC trade was fine, no need to lock it. Josh Green having surgery shouldn't matter because he's worthless on the court and realistically wouldn't play for the Kings anyway

(realistically Charlotte should be paying the "worst of 4 teams" 1st (probably Orlando's) we got out of the Nurkic trade here instead of the 2nds, and I think I probably would anyway

[youngcrev]

What's happens to.Grimes?

As in, if they draft a guard?

I think they probably re-sign him either way, to somewhere around MLE money.

[hoopsfan777]

Murray and #23
for
Middleton