The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[WuTang_OG]

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So now if they're unwilling to include Poetl, how do they make a deal work?? The deal would then have to become Quickly/ Barrett/ Castleton/ 9th pick/ 39th pick/ TOR 28' 1st.

Then I'm trading Barrett/ O'neale/ Richards to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson/ Nik Claxton/ 19th pick/ 26th pick/ 36th pick AND Philly 27' 1st (Top 8 protected).

And then I'm trading Quickly to New Orleans for Herb Jones/ Olynyk/ 23rd pick.
OR
To Utah for Collins/ Hendricks/ 21st pick.

Doesnt work.
If TOR has RJ and IQ going out, it has to be a 3 way.

[Slim Charless]

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So now if they're unwilling to include Poetl, how do they make a deal work?? The deal would then have to become Quickly/ Barrett/ Castleton/ 9th pick/ 39th pick/ TOR 28' 1st.

Then I'm trading Barrett/ O'neale/ Richards to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson/ Nik Claxton/ 19th pick/ 26th pick/ 36th pick AND Philly 27' 1st (Top 8 protected).

And then I'm trading Quickly to New Orleans for Herb Jones/ Olynyk/ 23rd pick.
OR
To Utah for Collins/ Hendricks/ 21st pick.

What makes you think you're getting 3 FRPs plus CamJo and Claxton for RJ? Oneal is negative value and Richards is neutral-at best.

[Blonde]

I would be shocked, SHOCKED, if OKC would have any interest in acquiring Durant should they lose the finals.

Explain why.

They blow a 68 win season vs a 4 seed. They had the MVP and multiple all defense guys and were considered the pick in a route.

The reason they lose, if they lose is because the offense bogged down outside of SGA and JDubb. Durant would be a massive boost to them and wouldn't cost them either of those 2 or Chet.

So I'm confused as to why you think OKC would be ok losing this series. Which BTW if they lose.....it would be the biggest upset in NBA history...

Win or lose in game 7 on Sunday, OKC will still be a contender next season, if not the favorite to win it all without any roster changes. They trade for KD, extend him for 120M and they are instantly in cap hell and limit their contending window. Their front office has always taken the long view approach to team building, and this move would be antithetical to that. They have the draft capital to trade for just about anyone they want, I don’t think KD would be on the top of that list, but maybe I’m wrong.

[BobbieL]

I would be shocked, SHOCKED, if OKC would have any interest in acquiring Durant should they lose the finals.

Explain why.

They blow a 68 win season vs a 4 seed. They had the MVP and multiple all defense guys and were considered the pick in a route.

The reason they lose, if they lose is because the offense bogged down outside of SGA and JDubb. Durant would be a massive boost to them and wouldn't cost them either of those 2 or Chet.

So I'm confused as to why you think OKC would be ok losing this series. Which BTW if they lose.....it would be the biggest upset in NBA history...

Win or lose in game 7 on Sunday, OKC will still be a contender next season, if not the favorite to win it all without any roster changes. They trade for KD, extend him for 120M and they are instantly in cap hell and limit their contending window. Their front office has always taken the long view approach to team building, and this move would be antithetical to that. They have the draft capital to trade for just about anyone they want, I don’t think KD would be on the top of that list, but maybe I’m wrong.

I could see a guy like DeRozan possibly being on the radar. Makes $50 over the next two years . He would be a half court option though plays the same position as JW. they have the draft picks to make the Kings happy.

Thunder will take the long view. Presti might make changes to the roster - win or lose - but I doubt its Durant

I still think it will be the Rockets -- and it will be Jalen Green as part of a three team deal -- not sure who the Suns get.

[Jesus_H_Macy]

C'mon guys, you think Presti of all people would give us anything of value for KD?? Not happening. If they were even interested, which I doubt, it'd be one crappy pick max and their least useful salaries. We definitely wouldn't be getting Caruso or Hartenstein back.

We are really and truly **** here... Trading Booker is the only way out. I'm hoping against hope that Ishbia and the FO have privately accepted that and the Booker extension talk is just about retaining the most leverage in a future trade (though unless he returns to 2022/2023 level Book I don't know if that's actually helpful). I can't stomach pointless no-future ball for the next 6 years...

[Slim Charless]

I would be shocked, SHOCKED, if OKC would have any interest in acquiring Durant should they lose the finals.

Explain why.

They blow a 68 win season vs a 4 seed. They had the MVP and multiple all defense guys and were considered the pick in a route.

The reason they lose, if they lose is because the offense bogged down outside of SGA and JDubb. Durant would be a massive boost to them and wouldn't cost them either of those 2 or Chet.

So I'm confused as to why you think OKC would be ok losing this series. Which BTW if they lose.....it would be the biggest upset in NBA history...

Win or lose in game 7 on Sunday, OKC will still be a contender next season, if not the favorite to win it all without any roster changes. They trade for KD, extend him for 120M and they are instantly in cap hell and limit their contending window. Their front office has always taken the long view approach to team building, and this move would be antithetical to that. They have the draft capital to trade for just about anyone they want, I don’t think KD would be on the top of that list, but maybe I’m wrong.

They have the draft capital to get Giannis, sure. But why? They'll have to give up 1 their core, maybe both (Chet/JDubb) along with a number of picks and 2 of Harty/Dort/Caruso.

They get Giannis...and dramatically change their team. With Durant it'll cost a fraction of that and its a feel good story of the lost son coming back home.

[mkot]

We were the last team who believed KD is that guy that could push the team over the hump to win a championship and gave 4 picks + 2 young talents for him. If he still worth half of what we given up he would've been traded by now. So obviously teams see that despite his raw numbers, he no longer an impactful player.

Again, OKC are young, their best move I believe should be internal. Chet can develop a better handle, improve his foot work etc., Wiggins and Wallace can also improve, they don't need to add KD to take the ball away from SGA and JDub. KD could possibly mess up their vibe and culture too. I don't see why OKC want to take that risk. I also don't see KD making another weak move like this either.

[RaisingArizona]

C'mon guys, you think Presti of all people would give us anything of value for KD?? Not happening. If they were even interested, which I doubt, it'd be one crappy pick max and their least useful salaries. We definitely wouldn't be getting Caruso or Hartenstein back.

We are really and truly **** here... Trading Booker is the only way out. I'm hoping against hope that Ishbia and the FO have privately accepted that and the Booker extension talk is just about retaining the most leverage in a future trade (though unless he returns to 2022/2023 level Book I don't know if that's actually helpful). I can't stomach pointless no-future ball for the next 6 years...

get yourself together man

[schnakenpopanz]

can't wait until this is over.
hated it from day 1.
i would love to be wrong.
hated childress, hedo, brown move back then.

and these are obvious things we do as fans who follow the team. these people get money to do so.

oh no they get money to say yes. nothing else. ishbia is the typica new economy owner type guy. you hate these people. hate to work for them and with them. if it wasn't the suns i wish they burn the franchise to the ground.

[mkot]

Explain why.

They blow a 68 win season vs a 4 seed. They had the MVP and multiple all defense guys and were considered the pick in a route.

The reason they lose, if they lose is because the offense bogged down outside of SGA and JDubb. Durant would be a massive boost to them and wouldn't cost them either of those 2 or Chet.

So I'm confused as to why you think OKC would be ok losing this series. Which BTW if they lose.....it would be the biggest upset in NBA history...

Win or lose in game 7 on Sunday, OKC will still be a contender next season, if not the favorite to win it all without any roster changes. They trade for KD, extend him for 120M and they are instantly in cap hell and limit their contending window. Their front office has always taken the long view approach to team building, and this move would be antithetical to that. They have the draft capital to trade for just about anyone they want, I don’t think KD would be on the top of that list, but maybe I’m wrong.

They have the draft capital to get Giannis, sure. But why? They'll have to give up 1 their core, maybe both (Chet/JDubb) along with a number of picks and 2 of Harty/Dort/Caruso.

They get Giannis...and dramatically change their team. With Durant it'll cost a fraction of that and its a feel good story of the lost son coming back home.

Because the 2-time MVP is still at the peak of his power who had carried his team to a championship as a leader and number 1 option on the team. IF they lose Game 7 I'd include Chet in a package for his service. I think you massively underrated Giannis, which has been the common theme around the league this past season as his team hasn't been winning in the playoffs, but he is consistently the best player on the court almost every night. I think it's pretty safe to say that Chet probably will never be a dominant force Giannis is on both ends, SGA is in his prime, JDub is entering his prime, Giannis is a perfect fit to form a big 3, a guard, a wing and a big. They may want to trade Hartenstein for whatever and promote Jaylin Williams to the starting lineup as he will be a better frontcourt partner for Giannis.

[Puff]

All the trade offers seem to be getting weaker, not stronger. The teams we are potentially trading with plan on dumping their junk on us to get a year or 3 years of KD, who is a difference maker. Hell, how many games would we have won last year without him? Certainly not 36.

Why are we trading KD? We need to upgrade our roster, not because of his poor performance. None of these trades do that. One draft pick is a hope and a dream not an answer to our problems. The best answer remains to run it back with the big three. Let their contracts expire and go shopping on the free agent market. That is not the popular opinion on this board, but it is the right decision unless the trade offers become better that what apparently is being offered.

We can complain about the trades we made to get here but that does not help our future. We need to make the correct decisions going forward. Just run it back and hope that Ott can make a big difference in our play. If we do that, I hope KD's attitude will be a positive one.

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[Slim Charless]

C'mon guys, you think Presti of all people would give us anything of value for KD?? Not happening. If they were even interested, which I doubt, it'd be one crappy pick max and their least useful salaries. We definitely wouldn't be getting Caruso or Hartenstein back.

We are really and truly **** here... Trading Booker is the only way out. I'm hoping against hope that Ishbia and the FO have privately accepted that and the Booker extension talk is just about retaining the most leverage in a future trade (though unless he returns to 2022/2023 level Book I don't know if that's actually helpful). I can't stomach pointless no-future ball for the next 6 years...

get yourself together man

Seriously.

The Thunder losing would almost guarantee us a good (great) return for KD. Even IF the Thunder don't want him, the SPurs/Rockets/Heat could panic and finally give up the final piece needed to make the deal happen. They would all be worried about everything I just posted about being true and would want to make it happen.

The only question would be if KD wanted to go back IMO. Thunder lose, and Presti has to look hard a deal. Quite frankly, he might even hint at it in order to force Hou/SAS to give up more stuff. Bluff them into making a move.

[Slim Charless]

Win or lose in game 7 on Sunday, OKC will still be a contender next season, if not the favorite to win it all without any roster changes. They trade for KD, extend him for 120M and they are instantly in cap hell and limit their contending window. Their front office has always taken the long view approach to team building, and this move would be antithetical to that. They have the draft capital to trade for just about anyone they want, I don’t think KD would be on the top of that list, but maybe I’m wrong.

They have the draft capital to get Giannis, sure. But why? They'll have to give up 1 their core, maybe both (Chet/JDubb) along with a number of picks and 2 of Harty/Dort/Caruso.

They get Giannis...and dramatically change their team. With Durant it'll cost a fraction of that and its a feel good story of the lost son coming back home.

Because the 2-time MVP is still at the peak of his power who had carried his team to a championship as a leader and number 1 option on the team. IF they lose Game 7 I'd include Chet in a package for his service. I think you massively underrated Giannis, which has been the common theme around the league this past season as his team hasn't been winning in the playoffs, but he is consistently the best player on the court almost every night. I think it's pretty safe to say that Chet probably will never be a dominant force Giannis is on both ends, SGA is in his prime, JDub is entering his prime, Giannis is a perfect fit to form a big 3, a guard, a wing and a big. They may want to trade Hartenstein for whatever and promote Jaylin Williams to the starting lineup as he will be a better frontcourt partner for Giannis.

Chet and Harty is not enough to get Giannis. So what else are you offering? Cause that ain't it.

[BobbieL]

They have the draft capital to get Giannis, sure. But why? They'll have to give up 1 their core, maybe both (Chet/JDubb) along with a number of picks and 2 of Harty/Dort/Caruso.

They get Giannis...and dramatically change their team. With Durant it'll cost a fraction of that and its a feel good story of the lost son coming back home.

Because the 2-time MVP is still at the peak of his power who had carried his team to a championship as a leader and number 1 option on the team. IF they lose Game 7 I'd include Chet in a package for his service. I think you massively underrated Giannis, which has been the common theme around the league this past season as his team hasn't been winning in the playoffs, but he is consistently the best player on the court almost every night. I think it's pretty safe to say that Chet probably will never be a dominant force Giannis is on both ends, SGA is in his prime, JDub is entering his prime, Giannis is a perfect fit to form a big 3, a guard, a wing and a big. They may want to trade Hartenstein for whatever and promote Jaylin Williams to the starting lineup as he will be a better frontcourt partner for Giannis.

Chet and Harty is not enough to get Giannis. So what else are you offering? Cause that ain't it.

Draft picks a plenty

[Frank Lee]

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So now if they're unwilling to include Poetl, how do they make a deal work?? The deal would then have to become Quickly/ Barrett/ Castleton/ 9th pick/ 39th pick/ TOR 28' 1st.

Then I'm trading Barrett/ O'neale/ Richards to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson/ Nik Claxton/ 19th pick/ 26th pick/ 36th pick AND Philly 27' 1st (Top 8 protected).

And then I'm trading Quickly to New Orleans for Herb Jones/ Olynyk/ 23rd pick.
OR
To Utah for Collins/ Hendricks/ 21st pick.

What makes you think you're getting 3 FRPs plus CamJo and Claxton for RJ? Oneal is negative value and Richards is neutral-at best.

Delusion knows no boundaries

[Frank Lee]

OKC loses… they will target Giannis and certainly have the ammo to bag him

[Sunsdeuce]

I keep reloading this thread to see if anyone posts breaking news trade. I get news faster here on the suns than anywhere else.

[Slim Charless]

OKC loses… they will target Giannis and certainly have the ammo to bag him

I don't think MIL will trade him. I also think he wants a bigger market to play in.

[tester551]

OKC loses… they will target Giannis and certainly have the ammo to bag him

I don't think MIL will trade him.

Agree.

I also think he wants a bigger market to play in.

Disagree.