Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

WuTang_CMB · Post #1341 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:59 pm

I don't think KD happens
but I do think RJ is gone on draft night

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #1342 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:03 pm

durant trade makes no sense whatsoever. bi plus durant is too much risk for this team.
we should be the third team in the trade trying to get cheap vets to help stabilize our young bench. delladova for example

WWSRD · Post #1343 » by **WWSRD** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:17 pm

tsherkin wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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PW and Jevon Carter are crap, though. So "salary flexibility and the 12th pick for RJ despite us almost 100% not getting Giannis" becomes that trade.

Ouf....1yr 6mill for Carter but 4 x 18mill for PW. Both, I would say, fringe rotation players at this point.

I would do this if someone is willing to take 9th/12th pick for a trade up and you're in love with the guy.

As you've said, it's not like the 12th pick is going to be the asset that secures a Giannis deal.

HangTime · Post #1344 » by **HangTime** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:17 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

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I am curious as to what a little Darko magic could do for Patrick Williams.

I would also ask about Lonzo Ball instead of Jevon Carter. He's got about $4M extra.

Post #1345 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:22 pm

HangTime wrote:I am curious as to what a little Darko magic could do for Patrick Williams.

I would also ask about Lonzo Ball instead of Jevon Carter. He's got about $4M extra.

Won't solve him being a small big with health issues, who blows at rebounding and is a waste of skin in close.

ForeverTFC · Post #1346 » by **ForeverTFC** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:37 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:

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There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

I get it but I disagree. They have a contract to play, not play where they prefer. If they want a say in where they play, negotiate a no trade clause like Beal did.

He’s not refusing to report. He’s refusing to extend. That’s 100% within his right. This isn’t what Mourning did.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1347 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:39 pm

Shakril wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:

Get er done

Its already reported that Houston wont give up that much. They haven Jalen green + #10 pick, thats the offer.

In that case, KD is a Raptor.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1348 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:39 pm

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This guys always yapping with no sources LOL

Pointgod · Post #1349 » by **Pointgod** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:47 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

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I’d do it just for the pick and flexibility but that Patrick Williams contract is so gross. Strong pass

Pointgod · Post #1350 » by **Pointgod** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:48 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:

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This guys always yapping with no sources LOL

Thank God. KD just saved our front office from themselves

RaptorLakerJay · Post #1351 » by **RaptorLakerJay** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:50 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:Why does a team need to go from tanking to being a championship contender the following year?

Its ok to make a move as long as it makes you better overall. Gradual improvement how majority of teams win championships. The ones who bank on shortcuts typically fall flat on their face.

I agree and it's almost uncommon, however that's not to say that it's never been done before. It's basically never been done where a team with a bottom-8 record became championship contenders through trade except with the 2007-2008 Boston Celtics. They were 24-58 with the 2nd worst record and then won a chip through two huge trades to get KG and Allen. The only other notable examples of deep lotto teams to championship contenders were done organically through draft picks like Spurs getting Duncan and Celtics getting Bird.

Post #1352 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:51 pm

Pointgod wrote:Thank God. KD just saved our front office from themselves

Well, we don't know that they were going to do anything dumb, but at least this suggests that now it's no longer even an option, which is good.

Pointgod · Post #1353 » by **Pointgod** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:58 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Thank God. KD just saved our front office from themselves

Well, we don't know that they were going to do anything dumb, but at least this suggests that now it's no longer even an option, which is good.

Bringing in KD was always dumb. The team isn’t at the point where they’re a KD away from contention, much less a 37 year old KD. The rumours of the 9th pick going in the trade is the cherry on top of the turd sundae of a deal.

CazOnReal · Post #1354 » by **CazOnReal** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:00 pm

...Yeah I can get behind this.

Mostly for that 12th overall pick but also because Williams is a guy we allegedly had on our radar last offseason and the Bulls are notoriously terrible at developing their young guys.

Could be a perfect fleece opportunity.

positivetension · Post #1355 » by **positivetension** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:04 pm

PWill should be on a minimum contract but instead he's making above MLE for the next four years. I wouldn't want him, even with the #12.

TGM · Post #1356 » by **TGM** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:10 pm

Kids value doesn’t go to zero after one year. The teams that he may want to go to won’t have the cap space to pay him 65 million. So unless KD is looking to take a massive discount it will be a sign and trade. No way if KD says he is walking that the Raltos would take crap contracts back, so you will still get decent value.

ArthurVandelay · Post #1357 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:21 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

I get it but I disagree. They have a contract to play, not play where they prefer. If they want a say in where they play, negotiate a no trade clause like Beal did.

He’s not refusing to report. He’s refusing to extend. That’s 100% within his right. This isn’t what Mourning did.

Definitely within his right. I just don’t like the “I don’t want to go there” reports. Reality is whoever trades for him will have his Bird Rights and are likely to be the only ones who will give him the contract he will seek. He wants the contract and location, which I can’t fault him for, but it’s coming at the expense of his current team.

Scase · Post #1358 » by **Scase** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:26 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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If KD wants to come here that would help our chances to get him...

This is the analysis I come here for. :lol:

Flush · Post #1359 » by **Flush** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:28 pm

plus his contract becomes easier on the cap due to the cap increases year over year since I believe PW's salary is flat?

Scase · Post #1360 » by **Scase** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:28 pm

CazOnReal wrote:...Yeah I can get behind this.

Mostly for that 12th overall pick but also because Williams is a guy we allegedly had on our radar last offseason and the Bulls are notoriously terrible at developing their young guys.

Could be a perfect fleece opportunity.

Why would they give us that, I don't think his contract is so bad as to require a lotto pick, 18mil flat is pretty low cost, PO at the end might be a pain though. TBF I haven't watched much Bulls lately, is he that bad?