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Post#1721 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:42 pm

EasyE31 wrote:I loved Gary Trent last year but I don't see the logic of using the MLE on him given who we already have on the roster and who's available in free agency.

AJ Green is more than capable to start at the 2. I'm VERY comfortable with AJG just stepping into a 30 mpg type role. We've proven the past two years (Beasley, GTJ) we can find shooters on minimum deals. Decent chance someone like DLo, Tim Hardaway, Schroder, etc slips down to a minimum type deal. Even if not you can go after guys like Eric Gordon, Gary Harris, GPII, Seth Curry, etc. There's no shortage of backup guards that can shoot the ball and will play on a minimum.

Finding a true two way wing player is much more difficult and much more valuable use of those dollars. Go get NAW, Bruce Brown, Kelly Oubre, Jae'Sean Tate, or someone like that with the MLE space.


You listed a whole bunch of bad players here. I wouldn't even waste a roster spot on Tate. Gordon, Harris, Hardaway and Curry are about to fall out of the league.
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Post#1722 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:44 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:we need to sign 3-4 of the next vet min type gtj this offseason instead of portis if he or the actual gtj gets jiggedy with this pay me 15 million ****. this isnt the year to get PAID bobby. this isnt the year to get PAID gary....as a milwaukee buck its just not the year.

go get paid but not here boys if you want "all the money". id rather break that MLE and BAE and trade exception up with hungry dudes that want an extra million over the vet min.

i think we can fill this entire roster cheap as **** if were patient.

dont forget we have giannis my pals. were gonna play some .500 ball and have a run but this is also a DOWN YEAR as it relates to stuff like this. the LAST THING we should do is overpay in desperation. just accept it and be strategic for once. weve mortgaged our future enough.

the big moves that will really impact us are whatever we can do with the existing contracts in trade....
ive seen all sorts of awesome bleacher report manuevers with dame, kuzma, and pat in trade. maybe some s/t's......i say we look at those if were looking for a #2 guy.... pick one or two, and then fill the roster out with multiple value guys that fall thru the cracks. we got kpj for marjon at the deadline and that fact is worth more than whatever you think hes even worth. depth and flexibility wins in this league now and if this is a down year for us lets not make a salary mistake all just so we can eke out 3-4 regular season wins and accomplish what exactly?

sell giannis on a bigger vision or not at all.

i dont care whose on the roster if next year were in a first round matchup and the future looks bright it was a good offseason


There simply isn't interesting players available in free agency this year. This is definitely the year to just keep our own.
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Post#1724 » by BigO » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:53 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:we need to sign 3-4 of the next vet min type gtj this offseason instead of portis if he or the actual gtj gets jiggedy with this pay me 15 million ****. this isnt the year to get PAID bobby. this isnt the year to get PAID gary....as a milwaukee buck its just not the year.

go get paid but not here boys if you want "all the money". id rather break that MLE and BAE and trade exception up with hungry dudes that want an extra million over the vet min.

i think we can fill this entire roster cheap as **** if were patient.

dont forget we have giannis my pals. were gonna play some .500 ball and have a run but this is also a DOWN YEAR as it relates to stuff like this. the LAST THING we should do is overpay in desperation. just accept it and be strategic for once. weve mortgaged our future enough.

the big moves that will really impact us are whatever we can do with the existing contracts in trade....
ive seen all sorts of awesome bleacher report manuevers with dame, kuzma, and pat in trade. maybe some s/t's......i say we look at those if were looking for a #2 guy.... pick one or two, and then fill the roster out with multiple value guys that fall thru the cracks. we got kpj for marjon at the deadline and that fact is worth more than whatever you think hes even worth. depth and flexibility wins in this league now and if this is a down year for us lets not make a salary mistake all just so we can eke out 3-4 regular season wins and accomplish what exactly?

sell giannis on a bigger vision or not at all.

i dont care whose on the roster if next year were in a first round matchup and the future looks bright it was a good offseason


There simply isn't interesting players available in free agency this year. This is definitely the year to just keep our own.


The idea that you should sign multiple bad players and that somehow equals one good player is not only bad math, but bad bball insight.
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Post#1725 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:40 pm

BigO wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:we need to sign 3-4 of the next vet min type gtj this offseason instead of portis if he or the actual gtj gets jiggedy with this pay me 15 million ****. this isnt the year to get PAID bobby. this isnt the year to get PAID gary....as a milwaukee buck its just not the year.

go get paid but not here boys if you want "all the money". id rather break that MLE and BAE and trade exception up with hungry dudes that want an extra million over the vet min.

i think we can fill this entire roster cheap as **** if were patient.

dont forget we have giannis my pals. were gonna play some .500 ball and have a run but this is also a DOWN YEAR as it relates to stuff like this. the LAST THING we should do is overpay in desperation. just accept it and be strategic for once. weve mortgaged our future enough.

the big moves that will really impact us are whatever we can do with the existing contracts in trade....
ive seen all sorts of awesome bleacher report manuevers with dame, kuzma, and pat in trade. maybe some s/t's......i say we look at those if were looking for a #2 guy.... pick one or two, and then fill the roster out with multiple value guys that fall thru the cracks. we got kpj for marjon at the deadline and that fact is worth more than whatever you think hes even worth. depth and flexibility wins in this league now and if this is a down year for us lets not make a salary mistake all just so we can eke out 3-4 regular season wins and accomplish what exactly?

sell giannis on a bigger vision or not at all.

i dont care whose on the roster if next year were in a first round matchup and the future looks bright it was a good offseason


There simply isn't interesting players available in free agency this year. This is definitely the year to just keep our own.


The idea that you should sign multiple bad players and that somehow equals one good player is not only bad math, but bad bball insight.


im indifferent about this coming year you two. this next year should be about developing young talent and punting dead salary

if were serious about ever winning another one we need a dead reset
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Post#1726 » by BigO » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:49 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
BigO wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
There simply isn't interesting players available in free agency this year. This is definitely the year to just keep our own.


The idea that you should sign multiple bad players and that somehow equals one good player is not only bad math, but bad bball insight.


im indifferent about this coming year you two. this next year should be about developing young talent and punting dead salary

if were serious about ever winning another one we need a dead reset


I didn't realize you wanted to punt the season, but it doesn't change anything for me. Neither BP or Trent are signing for one year, so if you're all in after one year, they would be on the team. And I don't want to sign bad players even for one year. That doesn't build anything.

Rollins, Green, KPJ and any other decent and cheap player they get will be better served for their develpment by playingalong side better players.
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Post#1727 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:16 am

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Post#1728 » by htr » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:52 am

You don’t punt this season. Giannis will
Be better this coming season than the following season. And folks say Dame isn’t a help to Giannis anyway. Contrary to popular opinion, you do make 31 first available. You do resign KPJ, Bobby, and GTJ. You do try and get Michael porter jr for Kuzma and Pat C. You do see if Miami would deal Herro for Lillard straight up. You do look at deals with Utah for Markannen, Collins, Sexton either alone or in a combo. Giannis will be more dominant this coming year than in 26-27. A good gm figures this hodgepodge out and gets us in top contender ranks. Get it done Horst, Prove yourself.
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Post#1729 » by raferfenix » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:20 am

Such a big difference if Doc flames out vs seizes the day.

We need someone who can develop some young talent and implement systems that work with Point Giannis.
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Post#1730 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:28 am

BigO wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
BigO wrote:
The idea that you should sign multiple bad players and that somehow equals one good player is not only bad math, but bad bball insight.


im indifferent about this coming year you two. this next year should be about developing young talent and punting dead salary

if were serious about ever winning another one we need a dead reset


I didn't realize you wanted to punt the season, but it doesn't change anything for me. Neither BP or Trent are signing for one year, so if you're all in after one year, they would be on the team. And I don't want to sign bad players even for one year. That doesn't build anything.

Rollins, Green, KPJ and any other decent and cheap player they get will be better served for their develpment by playingalong side better players.


its not that im trying to punt the season. i didnt say that. im just not trying to go all in next year like you guys are by overpaying people in desperation. and if we do pay more im not giving alot of years. if bobby or gtj wants 15 mil im not going 3-4 years with it. we need to spend next year treading water and whatever we are we are. we have lots of flexibility next offseason. trying to win this season is of little consequence compared to then
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Post#1731 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:09 am

htr wrote:You don’t punt this season. Giannis will
Be better this coming season than the following season. And folks say Dame isn’t a help to Giannis anyway. Contrary to popular opinion, you do make 31 first available. You do resign KPJ, Bobby, and GTJ. You do try and get Michael porter jr for Kuzma and Pat C. You do see if Miami would deal Herro for Lillard straight up. You do look at deals with Utah for Markannen, Collins, Sexton either alone or in a combo. Giannis will be more dominant this coming year than in 26-27. A good gm figures this hodgepodge out and gets us in top contender ranks. Get it done Horst, Prove yourself.


if you can get off the contracts then that changes things and id support what youve got there.

but if you cant get off that money to dame and kuzma you dont go spend even more now....a year early.... in a half ass effort to win.

there are guys out there that will play here and give a fine impact for less than 15 **** million :banghead:

next year we have space...hopefully a much more tradeable even healthy dame......picks.....a better free agency class.....this offseason we just need to not **** more stuff up
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Post#1732 » by Diggr14 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:17 pm

Out of the box, but are there any players, US or European that fell out of favor with the NBA that are deserving to be brought back? I’d rather have a player that tries his heart out and might be lacking a little in talent than some of the bums we ran out there this year.

Absolutely no on trading 31 pick unless Giannis another extension or commits beyond his PO. That would be immensely stupid and a franchise killer move.

I think you retool with players either in their 3-5th season that fell out of favor in the nba or were buried on a bench and you look to a european vet who has proved his worth and deserves an nba shot.

Players I think have some promise despite being buried or not playing: either FA or trade acquisition

Luka Garza
Cam Spencer
Tyler Kolek
Jonas V
Trayce Jackson Davis
Dalton Knecht
Jonathan Isaac
Anthony Black
Marcus Sasser
Caleb Houstan
Taylor Hendricks

Probably not attainable
Jaden Ivey
Walker Kessler

Needs a shot doctor
Johnny Davis (his shooting form changed in the nba - probably 1% chance of him turning it around). He has the athleticism. Size is not optimal at 6’4, but he comps to a lesser Jalen Green if he could fix that shot. Again,very unlikely.




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Post#1733 » by soxperry » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:48 pm

a recap of where we're at:

The Bobby/KPJ/Trent thing really just comes down to KPJ and Trent. Bobby only factors in as he factors in to the team salary as a whole, but we can theoretically give him whatever and it doesn't impact KPJ and Trent. The theoretically depends on if we can shed some salary to give him more, otherwise he tops out around 14-15. but none of that impacts KPJ/Trent. So putting Bobby aside...

Without early bird rights on either KPJ or Trent, we are limited to the MLE and the BAE. If KPJ would be willing to accept the BAE, Trent becomes very easy to re sign up to the full MLE. But as much as some want to believe that KPJ is worth no more than that roughly 5M exception, he will most likely get attention from other teams for more than that amount. How much more remains a massive question.

If that number only reaches the 7 to 8 range (and that's really the biggest question in all of this), it's definitely plausible that he would accept a deal from us for something like 2/12 or 2/13. That would allow us to pay Trent between 7.5 and 8M. Even as I'm writing this, I'm finding it hard to believe that Trent would turn down a full MLE deal from a playoff contender to make a little more than half with us. He already seems to have sacrificed salary last season specifically to cash in this offseason. But it's also questionable whether a contender would use its full MLE on a guy like Trent. If we have any hope at all, it's that signature Horst player option. Giving both Trent and KPJ two year contracts with a player option on the second year provides them flexibility as well as insurance in case of injury or a down year. It also provides a vessel for us to get them to early bird status and lock them down long term next offseason.

So that's the dream scenario. But what if Brooklyn, having nothing to play for and only seeking to build their asset pile, offers KPJ 2/30 (about 1M more per year than the full MLE) knowing that almost no one else can match? Regardless of how you feel about giving KPJ a big number, you cannot deny that he is the one player in the league that has both significant, needle moving potential AND that we are in a position to sign long term. We now find ourselves at a crossroads. Do we lock down the seemingly high character, pure shooting, yet mostly complementary Trent and let KPJ walk? Or do we commit to KPJ, a guy who has near all star potential, can do everything on the court, but carries a spectrum of different risk factors?

If you've been reading my posts the past few weeks, you know what I would do. And after writing this I'm even more convinced. But parading my mindset even further wasn't the purpose of this post. I just wanted to get everyone abreast of the situation as we approach the draft, free agency, and the answers to these questions.
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Post#1734 » by Gant » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:50 pm

I don't know if this has been covered here.

From Gary Washburn in today's Boston Globe:
There were rumors that Milwaukee coach Doc Rivers would assume a role in the front office and leave coaching to either former assistant Sam Cassell, now with the Celtics, or ex-Lakers coach Darvin Ham. But Rivers indicated he intends to return as coach as the Bucks are prepared to keep superstar Giannis Antetokounmpo and attempt to rebuild around him …
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Post#1735 » by Frank Nova » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:07 pm

Gant wrote:I don't know if this has been covered here.

From Gary Washburn in today's Boston Globe:
There were rumors that Milwaukee coach Doc Rivers would assume a role in the front office and leave coaching to either former assistant Sam Cassell, now with the Celtics, or ex-Lakers coach Darvin Ham. But Rivers indicated he intends to return as coach as the Bucks are prepared to keep superstar Giannis Antetokounmpo and attempt to rebuild around him …


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Post#1736 » by Frank Nova » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:14 pm

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The only for sure value is Herb Jones and you're giving up BP and a first and a lot of seconds to get him.He's not a great rebounder or scorer. Who is taking up the lost rebounding and scoring? I do like getting rid of Kuzma.


I think they all have value in Milwaukee. We need a guard like CJ just as much as a wing like Herb. We add a lot of defense and a viable scoring punch. When Dame comes back there’s a variety of lineup options. I like it a lot.


You didn't answer the question of who replaces BP's rebounding and scoring? CJ is injury prone, old and not a good defender. You're giving up rebounding, scoring efficiency and a first rounder and more for this return?

Not sure Herb Jones is worth the '31 first, let alone tons of twos and BP. Some fanbases overvalue their assets.The Bucks fanbase grossly undervalue the players they have.


Missi is also included in the deal and he averaged 8rpg in 26mins last year and just turned 21yrs old in May. CJM, Herb and Missi is worth what we’re giving up in the trade. I don’t think I’m undervaluing anything tbh.
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Post#1737 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:16 pm

Nate Duncan never fails to take shots at the Bucks. But I listen because it’s entertaining.

Towards the end they negotiate this deal where we send out Kuzma, pick 47, and a 2032 swap for Jrue and pick 32. I still don’t know how that works under the cap.

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Post#1738 » by Ron Swanson » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:23 pm

Us giving up a 2032 pick swap to take on Jrue’s albatross is a laughable notion. Duncan as usual is clueless.
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Post#1739 » by Prez » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:26 pm

Nate Duncan is a twat who has had a genuine dislike for the Bucks for years. You’d have to pay me to listen to any of his content.
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Post#1740 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:27 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Us giving up a 2032 pick swap to take on Jrue’s albatross is a laughable notion. Duncan as usual is clueless.


Still trying to figure out how his deal works under the cap. Those guys are good with the cap. Surprising.
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