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2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

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Ace Bailey
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Tre Johnson
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V.J. Edgecombe
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Other
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Post#1121 » by Arsenal » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:58 am

Tightening his handle and getting stronger should help Tre get to the rim more. His nuclear shooting will open up all kinds of driving lanes for himself and his teammates.
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Post#1122 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:04 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:

Thought back to a part in this video. Within the first minute, Giannis asks them each what position they play. Ace replies with "1-4, actually 1-5, it don't matter" :lol:

I feel so bad for whoever drafts him.


That’s called confidence. You know, something big time STAR players have, unlike limited role players.


Delusion =/= confidence.

I’m totally fine with Harper saying he’s a point guard, even if that means he’s less “confident.”
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Post#1123 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:06 am

76ciology wrote:If Morey doesn’t believe Tre can make a real leap in getting to the rim and drawing fouls, then he needs to pass on him, no matter how tempting the Ray Allen comparisons are. To me, that kind of comp feels more like a nice way to just say Malik Beasley or Tim Hardaway Jr.

In today’s game, true primary or secondary scorers need to be able to put the ball on the floor and score at all three levels, including getting to the line and finishing at the rim. Without that, you’re likely going to have problems with your scoring efficiency.

But if Morey does see growth potential in that part of Tre’s game, then by all means, take him.

C’mon man, THJ? Those guys can’t handle or pass the basketball the way Tre can. Not to mention, it’s not just about the shots, but how you get the shots. His movement shooting and footwork is spectacular. This kid might be the best shooting prospect since Steph Curry and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. I can see passing on that potential for Cooper obviously and to a lesser extent, Harper ( I think it’s possible Tre ends up better). Not for VJ freaking Edgecomb.
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Post#1124 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:08 am

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76ciology wrote:If Morey doesn’t believe Tre can make a real leap in getting to the rim and drawing fouls, then he needs to pass on him, no matter how tempting the Ray Allen comparisons are. To me, that kind of comp feels more like a nice way to just say Malik Beasley or Tim Hardaway Jr.

In today’s game, true primary or secondary scorers need to be able to put the ball on the floor and score at all three levels, including getting to the line and finishing at the rim. Without that, you’re likely going to have problems with your scoring efficiency.

But if Morey does see growth potential in that part of Tre’s game, then by all means, take him.

C’mon man, THJ? Those guys can’t handle or pass the basketball the way Tre can. Not to mention, it’s not just about the shots, but how you get the shots. His movement shooting and footwork is spectacular. This kid might be the best shooting prospect since Steph Curry and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration.


Its nothing if you can’t get to the rim and get to the line, TS% is the big picture while we’re being distracted on 3pt%
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Post#1125 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:14 am

Arsenal wrote:Tightening his handle and getting stronger should help Tre get to the rim more. His nuclear shooting will open up all kinds of driving lanes for himself and his teammates.


That’s definitely a possibility, which is why he’s one of my top options, and what we’d essentially be betting on if we draft him.

There’s also a strong chance he ends up more of a mid-post player, an underrated strength of his, which explains his high volume of mid-range attempts. He might ultimately try to mold himself into a shooting guard version of Kevin Durant (he sounds he’s close to him and getting advice from him).

He’s more naturally inclined to take a leap as a mid-range and mid-post scorer, which could not only boost his overall shooting efficiency but also become a foundation for eventually getting to the rim and drawing fouls more consistently.
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Post#1126 » by Arsenal » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:14 am

BPMcels assume VJ Melton will develop an entire offensive game from scratch, yet think Tre won’t be able to leverage his nuclear shooting to get to the rim more.
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Post#1127 » by sodmoraes » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:16 am

Yeah its hard to pick between Tre and VJ. EdgeCombe will be good and may have a bigger ceiling than Tre, but i think Tre is an outlier shooter. Not just "pretty good", but really really good, specially his off the dribbleand stepback 3s. So in my mind, he will be an allstar , even if the other parts of his game dont develop. And i think atleast his driving game will be decent, and i believe he has the passing chops to be a lead guard, so its hard to let him slip..

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Post#1128 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:16 am

76ciology wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:
76ciology wrote:If Morey doesn’t believe Tre can make a real leap in getting to the rim and drawing fouls, then he needs to pass on him, no matter how tempting the Ray Allen comparisons are. To me, that kind of comp feels more like a nice way to just say Malik Beasley or Tim Hardaway Jr.

In today’s game, true primary or secondary scorers need to be able to put the ball on the floor and score at all three levels, including getting to the line and finishing at the rim. Without that, you’re likely going to have problems with your scoring efficiency.

But if Morey does see growth potential in that part of Tre’s game, then by all means, take him.

C’mon man, THJ? Those guys can’t handle or pass the basketball the way Tre can. Not to mention, it’s not just about the shots, but how you get the shots. His movement shooting and footwork is spectacular. This kid might be the best shooting prospect since Steph Curry and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration.


Its nothing if you can’t get to the rim and get to the line, TS% is the big picture while we’re being distracted on 3pt%

Curry .241 ftr.

Not saying he’s Curry, but if he’s at a .300ftr, with the way he shoots, I think he could still be a star. Besides, is VJ so great getting to the rim or am I missing something?
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Post#1129 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:18 am

Arsenal wrote:BPMcels assume VJ Melton will develop an entire offensive game from scratch, yet think Tre won’t be able to leverage his nuclear shooting to get to the rim more.

But he DUNKZ!
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Post#1130 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:19 am

Iverson Armband wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:C’mon man, THJ? Those guys can’t handle or pass the basketball the way Tre can. Not to mention, it’s not just about the shots, but how you get the shots. His movement shooting and footwork is spectacular. This kid might be the best shooting prospect since Steph Curry and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration.


Its nothing if you can’t get to the rim and get to the line, TS% is the big picture while we’re being distracted on 3pt%

Curry .241 ftr.

Not saying he’s Curry, but if he’s at a .300ftr, with the way he shoots, I think he could still be a star. Besides, is VJ so great getting to the rim or am I missing something?


HC rim frequency
VJ 31.7%
Tre 16.7%

I’m not trying to shoot Tre down, I’m just being realistic. In fact, I’m trying to shift the focus away from overanalyzing his defense and toward what really matters with him, his offensive game.
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Post#1131 » by sodmoraes » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:21 am

Another thing about tre, as yesterday i read all his topic on the draft forum. His post game is underrated. He may not be a good driver, but hes really crafty in the post. Lots of moves, he has the potential to be really good there too. He wont just shoot 3s, he will have a nice mid range game too.

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Post#1132 » by Arsenal » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:22 am

Iverson Armband wrote:
Arsenal wrote:BPMcels assume VJ Melton will develop an entire offensive game from scratch, yet think Tre won’t be able to leverage his nuclear shooting to get to the rim more.

But he DUNKZ!


Legit 90% of VJ highlights are in transition. Dude has zero half court offensive game besides a decent C&S 3. Yet his boosters hand wave that all away and just assume he’ll develop all of it.

No thanks to Zhaire Edgecombe.
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Post#1133 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:22 am

sodmoraes wrote:Another thing about tre, as yesterday i read all his topic on the draft forum. His post game is underrated. He may not be a good driver, but hes really craft in the post. Lots of moves, he has the potential to be really good there too. He wont just shoot 3s, he will have a nice mid range game too.

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Yeah. He has very good post game. That was the reason for his mid range FGA volume. Also a good PnR game.
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Post#1134 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:22 am

76ciology wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Its nothing if you can’t get to the rim and get to the line, TS% is the big picture while we’re being distracted on 3pt%

Curry .241 ftr.

Not saying he’s Curry, but if he’s at a .300ftr, with the way he shoots, I think he could still be a star. Besides, is VJ so great getting to the rim or am I missing something?


HC rim frequency
VJ 31.7%
Tre 16.7%

Makes sense, given they’re worlds apart as shooters.
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Post#1135 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:26 am

Ok. That’s the drama today to keep you guys busy.

I think we should just focus on VJ vs Tre discussions.
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Post#1136 » by okboomer » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:33 am

Too many Ace heads in this thread rofl.
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Post#1137 » by Black Mage » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:33 am

sodmoraes wrote:Yeah its hard to pick between Tre and VJ. EdgeCombe will be good and may have a bigger ceiling than Tre, but i think Tre is an outlier shooter. Not just "pretty good", but really really good, specially his off the dribbleand stepback 3s. So in my mind, he will be an allstar , even if the other parts of his game dont develop. And i think atleast his driving game will be decent, and i believe he has the passing chops to be a lead guard, so its hard to let him slip..

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I have wondered if Tre played 4 years in a lower division, would he have the hype Steph did coming out? The shot is that good.
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Post#1138 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:40 am

Black Mage wrote:
sodmoraes wrote:Yeah its hard to pick between Tre and VJ. EdgeCombe will be good and may have a bigger ceiling than Tre, but i think Tre is an outlier shooter. Not just "pretty good", but really really good, specially his off the dribbleand stepback 3s. So in my mind, he will be an allstar , even if the other parts of his game dont develop. And i think atleast his driving game will be decent, and i believe he has the passing chops to be a lead guard, so its hard to let him slip..

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I have wondered if Tre played 4 years in a lower division, would he have the hype Steph did coming out? The shot is that good.


I think Tre should’ve been used more as a lead guard, similar to how Ohio State utilized Evan Turner and D’Angelo Russell back in the day. That kind of role would’ve boosted his numbers and better showcased his playmaking ability.

I also believe increased PnR reps would naturally reduce his reliance on mid-post possessions, which could lead to more efficient shot selection and improved assist numbers.

I think i have posted here a youtube video where he looked really good at Link playing lead guard. Sometimes even looking like SGA.
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Post#1139 » by sodmoraes » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:54 am

76ciology wrote:
Black Mage wrote:
sodmoraes wrote:Yeah its hard to pick between Tre and VJ. EdgeCombe will be good and may have a bigger ceiling than Tre, but i think Tre is an outlier shooter. Not just "pretty good", but really really good, specially his off the dribbleand stepback 3s. So in my mind, he will be an allstar , even if the other parts of his game dont develop. And i think atleast his driving game will be decent, and i believe he has the passing chops to be a lead guard, so its hard to let him slip..

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I have wondered if Tre played 4 years in a lower division, would he have the hype Steph did coming out? The shot is that good.


I think Tre should’ve been used more as a lead guard, similar to how Ohio State utilized Evan Turner and D’Angelo Russell back in the day. That kind of role would’ve boosted his numbers and better showcased his playmaking ability.

I also believe increased PnR reps would naturally reduce his reliance on mid-post possessions, which could lead to more efficient shot selection and improved assist numbers.

I think i have posted here a youtube video where he looked really good at Link playing lead guard. Sometimes even looking like SGA.


I think you posted that video on Tre´s topic on the draft forum. I didnt watch yet, but i will since you said he had some similiarities with SGA .
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