Bulls viewed AK's rebuild as a success / other tidbits

[Hangtime84]

An executive had just started working at Andrew Carnegie's company, US Steel. The new guy ruined a million-dollar project and humbly asked the boss if he would be fired. Andrew Carnegie said "Fire you? We just spent a million dollars training you!"

Yup that’s that guy won’t make the same mistake. I told my wife that quote on current work situation

[dougthonus]

Is there a link to the podcast?

I'd like some context to "view as a success"....

omg they pulled it from the channel lol, its usually here: https://www.youtube.com/@CHSN_Media

KC Johnson mentioned a couple times "Arturas might be mad at me for mentioning this..." so I assume the Bulls pulled the episode? What a mess.

@dougthonus do you remember what KC said Arturas might be mad he brought up?

It was nothing salacious, I can't believe they pulled it. It was that AK is bothered by home losses and can't take watching them at the UC so watches from the Advocate center. You could maybe say there were some hints in there about him being bothered by fans not liking him.

FWIW, unrelated to this podcast, I happen to know AK is super sensitive to criticism from the media from other media members I know.

[Dresden]

The first move of keeping Lavine,the Vucevic trade, adding DeRozan, Ball, Caruso wasn't a failure until Lonzo then Patrick got injured.

Looking back to the failure of Boylan, with a competent coach I think they could have kept Markkanen, maybe Dunn, traded Lavine. Hindsight shows that trading for Vucevic sure didn't work out and giving up 2 picks dug a deep hole.

We're here after trading Caruso for Giddey which nearly everybody hated because they didn't get 2 FRPs and hated may be putting it lightly. Lavine did get traded for our pick back and 3 contributing rotation players, face it few thought they could make any deal to move Zach without adding picks . It's with high hopes that by draft day they can move Vucevic and wipe the slate clean on the first plan, see what he brings and draft #12. Then take a deep breath.

This season should begin as the end of the first step in the current rebuild. Step 2 is all the expiring contracts, who to resign who can get traded and who is just gone,


Here's the thing, those here who want to call AKME, BD and any other initials idiots, the Bulls have a business, they extended those guys and they didn't make a single phone call to anyone on this board to consult or offer a job, That bugs the crap out of you, fine, go follow another team that values your amateur opinions enough to call you.

I don't about the bolded part. How much have Pat/Dalen Terry contributed to winning? Even Coby is not really a difference maker consistently. We might have gotten lucky, but the odds are against it.

[Dan Z]

The first move of keeping Lavine,the Vucevic trade, adding DeRozan, Ball, Caruso wasn't a failure until Lonzo then Patrick got injured.

Looking back to the failure of Boylan, with a competent coach I think they could have kept Markkanen, maybe Dunn, traded Lavine. Hindsight shows that trading for Vucevic sure didn't work out and giving up 2 picks dug a deep hole.

We're here after trading Caruso for Giddey which nearly everybody hated because they didn't get 2 FRPs and hated may be putting it lightly. Lavine did get traded for our pick back and 3 contributing rotation players, face it few thought they could make any deal to move Zach without adding picks . It's with high hopes that by draft day they can move Vucevic and wipe the slate clean on the first plan, see what he brings and draft #12. Then take a deep breath.

This season should begin as the end of the first step in the current rebuild. Step 2 is all the expiring contracts, who to resign who can get traded and who is just gone,


Here's the thing, those here who want to call AKME, BD and any other initials idiots, the Bulls have a business, they extended those guys and they didn't make a single phone call to anyone on this board to consult or offer a job, That bugs the crap out of you, fine, go follow another team that values your amateur opinions enough to call you.

I don't about the bolded part. How much have Pat/Dalen Terry contributed to winning? Even Coby is not really a difference maker consistently. We might have gotten lucky, but the odds are against it.

Terry wasn't a lottery pick, but I'll give you PW. He hasn't worked out.

Coby improved and it remains to be seen what he does going forward. As for Vucevic how much winning has he contributed to? The team hasn't made the playoffs in three years.

[Dominator83]

The first move of keeping Lavine,the Vucevic trade, adding DeRozan, Ball, Caruso wasn't a failure until Lonzo then Patrick got injured.

Looking back to the failure of Boylan, with a competent coach I think they could have kept Markkanen, maybe Dunn, traded Lavine. Hindsight shows that trading for Vucevic sure didn't work out and giving up 2 picks dug a deep hole.

We're here after trading Caruso for Giddey which nearly everybody hated because they didn't get 2 FRPs and hated may be putting it lightly. Lavine did get traded for our pick back and 3 contributing rotation players, face it few thought they could make any deal to move Zach without adding picks . It's with high hopes that by draft day they can move Vucevic and wipe the slate clean on the first plan, see what he brings and draft #12. Then take a deep breath.

This season should begin as the end of the first step in the current rebuild. Step 2 is all the expiring contracts, who to resign who can get traded and who is just gone,


Here's the thing, those here who want to call AKME, BD and any other initials idiots, the Bulls have a business, they extended those guys and they didn't make a single phone call to anyone on this board to consult or offer a job, That bugs the crap out of you, fine, go follow another team that values your amateur opinions enough to call you.

I don't about the bolded part. How much have Pat/Dalen Terry contributed to winning? Even Coby is not really a difference maker consistently. We might have gotten lucky, but the odds are against it.

Terry wasn't a lottery pick, but I'll give you PW. He hasn't worked out.

Coby improved and it remains to be seen what he does going forward. As for Vucevic how much winning has he contributed to? The team hasn't made the playoffs in three years.

I'm not even married to having to keep all our picks. I can get down with an "Eff them picks" attitude. But it has to be for real, legit needle movers. Trading multiple furure picks for prime AD is fine. Trading future picks for the fake stars that we trade for? not so fine.

Coby was a Gar/pax pick BTW

[dpucane]

Is there a link to the podcast?

I'd like some context to "view as a success"....

omg they pulled it from the channel lol, its usually here: https://www.youtube.com/@CHSN_Media

KC Johnson mentioned a couple times "Arturas might be mad at me for mentioning this..." so I assume the Bulls pulled the episode? What a mess.

@dougthonus do you remember what KC said Arturas might be mad he brought up?

It was nothing salacious, I can't believe they pulled it. It was that AK is bothered by home losses and can't take watching them at the UC so watches from the Advocate center. You could maybe say there were some hints in there about him being bothered by fans not liking him.

FWIW, unrelated to this podcast, I happen to know AK is super sensitive to criticism from the media from other media members I know.

Yeah i mean that's why he fired Peter Patton supposedly. What a loser.

It's so cringey listening to KC have to try to defend this guy.

Does he call guys out in the hallway like Pax used to?

[Dan Z]

I don't about the bolded part. How much have Pat/Dalen Terry contributed to winning? Even Coby is not really a difference maker consistently. We might have gotten lucky, but the odds are against it.

Terry wasn't a lottery pick, but I'll give you PW. He hasn't worked out.

Coby improved and it remains to be seen what he does going forward. As for Vucevic how much winning has he contributed to? The team hasn't made the playoffs in three years.

I'm not even married to having to keep all our picks. I can get down with an "Eff them picks" attitude. But it has to be for real, legit needle movers. Trading multiple furure picks for prime AD is fine. Trading future picks for the fake stars that we trade for? not so fine.

Coby was a Gar/pax pick BTW

Vucevic may have made sense if the team already had it's franchise player, but they didn't.

That was as if Orlando traded for Bane but didn't have Franz or Banchero.

[boozapalooza]

Is there a link to the podcast?

I'd like some context to "view as a success"....

omg they pulled it from the channel lol, its usually here: https://www.youtube.com/@CHSN_Media

KC Johnson mentioned a couple times "Arturas might be mad at me for mentioning this..." so I assume the Bulls pulled the episode? What a mess.

@dougthonus do you remember what KC said Arturas might be mad he brought up?

It was nothing salacious, I can't believe they pulled it. It was that AK is bothered by home losses and can't take watching them at the UC so watches from the Advocate center. You could maybe say there were some hints in there about him being bothered by fans not liking him.

FWIW, unrelated to this podcast, I happen to know AK is super sensitive to criticism from the media from other media members I know.

Thank you for catching this. So lame. I didnt think anything bad about the comment when I heard it because it showed AL actually cares somewhat. You wouldnt be able to tell based off his actions/results.

Another major red flag to have a guy this mentally soft running the basketball operations

[SfBull]

A couple tidbits from the By The Horns podcast (owned by CHSN and thus the Bulls) with KC Johnson and Cam Smith discussing the extension.

1: Extension runs through 27/28 season. I'm sure the Bulls could trivially just fire these guys, it's unlikely they're paying more than 5M a year combined for them, so at the end of this season you probably have a cap of 10M dollar hit on replacing them. In the context of team revenues that's very small.

2: The Bulls viewed AK's first rebuild as a success. They think he is 1 for 1 so far in his roster make overs and this next year is the start of attempt #2.

3: The Bulls intend to be methodical with this rebuild and we should be patient, we will not be looking to make big swings like the Vuc trade.

It's just sad news for hard Bulls' fanbase .