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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1381 » by WuTang_OG » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:16 am

As I thought, this was all a hype machine week done by PHX
All these offers from teams were fictitious
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Post#1382 » by Asif16 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:26 am

Raptors trying to draft a Center was obvious.

Surprised the Raptors could be discussing a long-term contract with Poetl, however. He is severely underrated, but I didn't think his age would fit with the core. Especially considering we're trying to draft a center with our pick this year
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Post#1383 » by GLF » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:28 am

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Kevin Durant trade uncertainty continues to loom over the entire league.

Will the fourth trade of Durant's career materialize before Wednesday night's draft?

The Suns' ongoing negotiations with teams such as Houston, Miami and Minnesota have left various rival front offices under the impression — barring a significant weekend shift in the state of talks — that the discussions will likely stretch into next week.

The Suns, sources say, continue to believe that a deal they consider palatable can materialize before the first night of the draft begins, with Phoenix quietly hopeful for some time that the return from the first trade executed by new general manager Brian Gregory will include a draft pick that it can immediately put to use during Wednesday night's proceedings. Houston's No. 10 overall pick, of course, initially belonged to Phoenix and made its way to the Rockets via Brooklyn … as well as those Suns first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 that Houston insists it will not part with.

League sources say that the Suns' Durant discussions in recent days have likewise featured attempts to coax, say, Toronto to part with its No. 9 overall pick on Wednesday night. Or Minnesota's No. 17 selection. Or Miami's turn at No. 20.

Yet it's also clear that the Suns' conversations, to this point, have fallen short of delivering a return they do considerable palatable after the stunning haul they surrendered in February 2023 to acquire Durant. Gregory is obviously under a considerable amount of scrutiny as he negotiates his first major transaction after landing the Suns' GM job with just one season of full-time NBA experience before he got it.




Among the dynamics apparently not working in Phoenix's favor: We can confirm our Sportsnet colleague Michael Grange's reporting Friday that Toronto — initially presumed to be willing to part with Jakob Poeltl if it meant landing Durant — maintains now that it would not even surrender Poeltl in a deal for the future Hall of Famer.


It remains to be seen how firm that stance is, but league sources say that the Raptors and their very underrated center have mutual interest in hammering out a contract extension in the near future if no trade intervenes.


The Raptors, as we've seen during various recent transaction windows, aren't merely a Durant suitor but have indicated that they're open to various trades in conjunction with a Durant deal as next week's draft approaches. Toronto continues to signal that it's open to moving down from No. 9 in Wednesday's first-round order, sources say, while the Raptors have also made calls to determine what it would take to obtain a second lottery pick. What seems clear: The Raptors have convinced many rival teams that they want to be in position, no matter what, to be able to draft another center.



Another valuable footnote stemming from this week's widespread Durant trade talks: League sources say several teams have registered interest in the Suns' Cody Martin. The veteran swingman could very well factor into any direct or multi-team deal that Phoenix inevitably puts together to ship out the NBA's No. 8 all-time leading scorer.

Miami, to name one example, is known to hold an affinity for Martin, sources say. The Heat certainly developed a familiarity for Martin while Miami rostered his twin brother Caleb.


We've been writing for seemingly weeks now that Phoenix covets a starting-level big man this offseason in addition to all of its other roster objectives. It is unclear, though, whether the Suns will be able to fill that position as part of a Durant deal.

Just like Poeltl in Toronto, Miami is said to be firmly against including standout rookie center Kel'el Ware in their offers for Durant, sources say. Without Ware in a theoretical trade, Phoenix is presumed to be seeking future first-round draft capital from Miami to help deliver Durant to South Beach at long last.




Thank God. But one thing’s for certain, even though we are not getting Durant, Raptors look like they’re probably going to make some sort of trade this offseason. They’ve just been too active
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1384 » by Tripod » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:29 am

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PW and Jevon Carter are crap, though. So "salary flexibility and the 12th pick for RJ despite us almost 100% not getting Giannis" becomes that trade.


Ouf....1yr 6mill for Carter but 4 x 18mill for PW. Both, I would say, fringe rotation players at this point.

I would do this if someone is willing to take 9th/12th pick for a trade up and you're in love with the guy.

As you've said, it's not like the 12th pick is going to be the asset that secures a Giannis deal.


If we're doing these types of trades as follow-ups to Durant and/or Giannis, it's to help fill some holes in the lineup where Jak/IQ/RJ are gone. And 4 years of term for PWill is very bad.

We'd be getting Smith instead of Carter to fill spacing C minutes next to Giannis/Scottie, or else there is no point in taking on that awful deal.

But what if it's not follow up...but a set up deal.

Suns likely don't want RJ because they have Booker. They want Yak and so do we. So if they just view him as filler...maybe we move them Williams/Smith instead along with IQ+pick.

Suns get better "fitting" depth in positions they need but really IQ +pick is the prize. Williams is a wildcard they could rehab his value.

Raps keep Yak and still keep either 9 or 12 and add KD. With 9 or 12, they could add a PG, backup C or use in another trade.

I think Masai looks at it that adding KD now, could lead to adding Giannis later. At worst, you add KD for 1 season, sell lots of tickets and merchandise and then could re-sign or S+T. Of he walks, you open up a bunch of cap space in 2026.

Or we just draft 9 and 39....and find a legit backup C.
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1385 » by Thaddy » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:34 am

I think we could see a 3 team deal.

Raptors get KD and late lotto pick

3rd team gets RJ + 29

Suns get Poeltl + expiring + 9th

Maybe the Spurs, Hawks, Bulls, or Portland like RJ?

It would let us draft Durant and Queen, who we seem to like a lot.

Queen
Durant
Ingram
Barnes
IQ

It's a decent line up. It would definitely get to the playoffs. A lot would hinge on Barnes, Queen, and Dick getting better as Durants gets older.
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Post#1386 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:43 am

My prediction is still:

To TOR: KD + Kessler
To PHX: RJ + Poeltl + two future first round picks
To UTA: Dick + second round picks
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Post#1387 » by Scase » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:51 am

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I feel like the suns have a serious misunderstanding of what the value of a 37 year old expiring KD is.
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Post#1388 » by ConSarnit » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:19 am

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I’d do it just for the pick and flexibility but that Patrick Williams contract is so gross. Strong pass

It’s a bit high but it’s still a startable/6th man type 40% 3 point shooter AND you get 12?

I take that every day of the week.

I like RJ, but he isn’t exactly a great contract


You're taking on more years here, I don't even wanna trade RJ, but if we are we should be trading up, he's not a toxic or bad contract. PWill sucks at 18m x 4yr


I’m no PWill fan but with the way the cap is going he’ll effectively be making the MLE for his last 2 seasons. For a solid spot starter/backup 3/4 that’s perfectly fine money. Yeah the length sort of sucks.

Sign me up for that deal. There are always good players available in the 12 range and it balances our roster better shifting depth from the 2/3 to 3/4.
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Post#1389 » by djsunyc » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:22 am

these rumors have given us all something to occupy our time! good stuff.

many of you are not open to the idea anything positive can come out of trading for durant. cool.

but if someone thinks the possibility of it *could* be good, it's okay to let them believe it and not have to reply with a "well actually no it wont" every single time.
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Post#1390 » by djsunyc » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:23 am

masai in his last presser said you can win with guys like scottie and yak. he believes in them so yak being the sticking point makes total sense.
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Post#1391 » by djsunyc » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:26 am

ConSarnit wrote:
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YogurtProducer wrote:It’s a bit high but it’s still a startable/6th man type 40% 3 point shooter AND you get 12?

I take that every day of the week.

I like RJ, but he isn’t exactly a great contract


You're taking on more years here, I don't even wanna trade RJ, but if we are we should be trading up, he's not a toxic or bad contract. PWill sucks at 18m x 4yr


I’m no PWill fan but with the way the cap is going he’ll effectively be making the MLE for his last 2 seasons. For a solid spot starter/backup 3/4 that’s perfectly fine money. Yeah the length sort of sucks.

Sign me up for that deal. There are always good players available in the 12 range and it balances our roster better shifting depth from the 2/3 to 3/4.

rj is a much better player than pwill and carter combined. this would be rj for 12. if we dont get kd, then this would be a way to cash in on rj if youve decided not to extend him.
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Post#1392 » by douggood » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:29 am

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.
jacob 3 year extension max is 88.5, a deal for 3 year 80 mil is palatable to me
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Post#1393 » by Tor_Raps » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:34 am

douggood wrote:raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.


Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for an allstar level PG lol.

Also, no chance any team is lining up to pay Poeltl 3/80. 3/70 is the max I see him getting.
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Post#1394 » by Scase » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:35 am

djsunyc wrote:masai in his last presser said you can win with guys like scottie and yak. he believes in them so yak being the sticking point makes total sense.

I think a lot has to do with the fact that we have literally no other C option, not a dig at Jak, but our only other player is Chomche and that's not an option. I think if we had a backup like Steven Adams, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal.
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Post#1395 » by CazOnReal » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:36 am

League sources say that the Suns' Durant discussions in recent days have likewise featured attempts to coax, say, Toronto to part with its No. 9 overall pick on Wednesday night. Or Minnesota's No. 17 selection. Or Miami's turn at No. 20.


Sounds like we aren't offering #9.

Nor should we.
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Post#1396 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:37 am

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douggood wrote:raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.


Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move for an allstar level player using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for a PG lol.


For a Paul George ?!? :o
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Post#1397 » by ConSarnit » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:50 am

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You're taking on more years here, I don't even wanna trade RJ, but if we are we should be trading up, he's not a toxic or bad contract. PWill sucks at 18m x 4yr


I’m no PWill fan but with the way the cap is going he’ll effectively be making the MLE for his last 2 seasons. For a solid spot starter/backup 3/4 that’s perfectly fine money. Yeah the length sort of sucks.

Sign me up for that deal. There are always good players available in the 12 range and it balances our roster better shifting depth from the 2/3 to 3/4.

rj is a much better player than pwill and carter combined. this would be rj for 12. if we dont get kd, then this would be a way to cash in on rj if youve decided not to extend him.


I assume the reason PWill is in the trade is because we have to take on his bad salary because no one is giving up 12 for RJ.

Of course RJ is a better player but we can use whatever assets we get for RJ to build a more well rounded team. I have very little interest in extending RJ so getting a solid bench guy, #12 and future salary flexibility is a win for me.
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Post#1398 » by DG88 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:55 am

WuTang_OG wrote:As I thought, this was all a hype machine week done by PHX
All these offers from teams were fictitious

It's why I never believed any of the Giannis or Durant trade rumours. Again as a FO you do your due diligence and make the call to see what the asking price is.
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Post#1399 » by Pointgod » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:59 am

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I’d do it just for the pick and flexibility but that Patrick Williams contract is so gross. Strong pass

It’s a bit high but it’s still a startable/6th man type 40% 3 point shooter AND you get 12?

I take that every day of the week.

I like RJ, but he isn’t exactly a great contract


On one hand you get the 12th pick and we actually save some money with which we can resign Agbaji. On the other hand Patrick Williams sucks and he’s on the books for 4 more years and which will put us in a crap crunch if we want to resign Poeltl, Dick, etc. I don’t love the deal but I don’t hate it because we bring in another pick
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Post#1400 » by positivetension » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:01 am

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I’m no PWill fan but with the way the cap is going he’ll effectively be making the MLE for his last 2 seasons. For a solid spot starter/backup 3/4 that’s perfectly fine money. Yeah the length sort of sucks.

Sign me up for that deal. There are always good players available in the 12 range and it balances our roster better shifting depth from the 2/3 to 3/4.

rj is a much better player than pwill and carter combined. this would be rj for 12. if we dont get kd, then this would be a way to cash in on rj if youve decided not to extend him.


I assume the reason PWill is in the trade is because we have to take on his bad salary because no one is giving up 12 for RJ.

Of course RJ is a better player but we can use whatever assets we get for RJ to build a more well rounded team. I have very little interest in extending RJ so getting a solid bench guy, #12 and future salary flexibility is a win for me.

What salary flexibility? PWill is a dud and will be on the books for the next four years.

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