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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#121 » by tdotrep2 » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:40 pm

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Morris_Shatford wrote:Pascal was always a good guy;
Wish him the best and hope he ends up with the MVP


Would be pretty epic, right?

Nice to see a former Raptor most of us liked doing well!


What's funny is seeing the GB throw love his way.

When he was a Raptor: Overrated
When he is a pacer: solid player with a HOf resume

Even some of the rationale posters there can't admit there's an engrained raptors bias

There's definitely some of that and it's probably because we can be annoying. Also, every year players in the finals get overhyped a bit. I think it's a combination for both things.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#122 » by Kurtz » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:52 pm

This isn't going to be one of them threads where everyone who was screaming for Pascal to be dealt for years is now suddenly pretending that they actually wanted to build around him, is it?

Anyway, this Pascal thing speaks volumes about greatness being about fit almost as much as it is about talent.

It also speaks about our conviction about what wins. I think the entire NBA world was convinced that you needed to be led by an MVP-level player, a short playoff rotation, and your offense must be structured around creating open 3 point looks. And Carlise is showing us that nope, you can win while being led by the likes of TJ Mcconnel, Obi Topin and Andrew Nembhard too if you have the right chemistry, commitment and playstyle.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#123 » by tsherkin » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:14 pm

Kurtz wrote:This isn't going to be one of them threads where everyone who was screaming for Pascal to be dealt for years is now suddenly pretending that they actually wanted to build around him, is it?

Anyway, this Pascal thing speaks volumes about greatness being about fit almost as much as it is about talent.


Beneath a certain threshold, fit is hugely important. Having a table-setter like Hali on the team is a BIG deal for Siakam, as is having the kind of spacing and coaching he enjoys in Indiana, no doubt. Though to be fair, last year and this season, he seems just more comfortable with his halfcourt game.

It also speaks about our conviction about what wins. I think the entire NBA world was convinced that you needed to be led by an MVP-level player, a short playoff rotation, and your offense must be structured around creating open 3 point looks. And Carlise is showing us that nope, you can win while being led by the likes of TJ Mcconnel, Obi Topin and Andrew Nembhard too if you have the right chemistry, commitment and playstyle.


Well, that's a little disingenuous. They aren't being led by TJ, Obi and Nembhard. Those guys are contributing around what Pascal and Hali are doing ahead of them. They're excellent roleplayers, but they HAVE rocked a remarkably deep rotation. They have EIGHT double-digit scorers in the Finals instead of your conventional high-volume dude leading the way. And having a very strong PG rotation helps enable that.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#124 » by Scase » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:15 pm

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WiggOuts wrote:This may sound bad but theres a small part of me that doesnt want Pascal to win. I dont know why but it feels like if he does, it will diminish his championship with the Raptors. He would have a better case of being arguable the best player on this championship team and likely be the finals MVP, it would be his best accolade and make his Raptors chip secondary


Why would it diminish his Raptors run in any way?

I feel like it would enhance it, showing he can do it multiple times. Maybe he means from the nostalgia?
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#125 » by tsherkin » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:17 pm

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WiggOuts wrote:This may sound bad but theres a small part of me that doesnt want Pascal to win. I dont know why but it feels like if he does, it will diminish his championship with the Raptors. He would have a better case of being arguable the best player on this championship team and likely be the finals MVP, it would be his best accolade and make his Raptors chip secondary


Why would it diminish his Raptors run in any way?

I feel like it would enhance it, showing he can do it multiple times. Maybe he means from the nostalgia?


I dunno. I think a second ring, especially given how he has played, would 100% only enhance things for Pascal and wouldn't negatively reflect on the Toronto title at all. It just didn't make any sense.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#126 » by Scase » Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:17 pm

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Why would it diminish his Raptors run in any way?

I feel like it would enhance it, showing he can do it multiple times. Maybe he means from the nostalgia?


I dunno. I think a second ring, especially given how he has played, would 100% only enhance things for Pascal and wouldn't negatively reflect on the Toronto title at all. It just didn't make any sense.

Yeah only way I could see it as a "negative" is from a personal viewpoint of the Raps one being special, still makes no sense to me lol
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#127 » by RaptorPride » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:28 pm

Can we stop complaining and enjoy? It's clear this wasn't happening if he was here in Toronto right now.
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Post#128 » by Tripod » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:35 pm

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Scase wrote:I feel like it would enhance it, showing he can do it multiple times. Maybe he means from the nostalgia?


I dunno. I think a second ring, especially given how he has played, would 100% only enhance things for Pascal and wouldn't negatively reflect on the Toronto title at all. It just didn't make any sense.

Yeah only way I could see it as a "negative" is from a personal viewpoint of the Raps one being special, still makes no sense to me lol

To me it just keeps solidifying how good the Raps Champ team was.

I hated the way we played iso ball the last few years Siakam was here. It was boring bball to watch, win or lose. He went to the perfect team to match his best playstyle....and pace. Siakam has always been a guy who can run endlessly so this is perfect. And he doesn't "have" to lead the team every night....and that has led to him once again focusing more on defense.

They will be who I root for in game 7.
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Post#129 » by RaptorPride » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:37 pm

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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#130 » by S.W.A.N » Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:46 pm

It is funny. I was cheering for OKC but now... F it. I'm on the Pascal train.

I'd love to see him ball out and win it for the Pacers.

We spent a lot of years knowing that Pascal was a great player and a fantastic second guy. He's the Robin. Hali is Batman. When you don't pay Pascal like Batman he's a perfect fit.

No matter what happens have to give the Pacers organization a lot of credit. They have built a team that is a game away from a championship without a top 5 player. They've made a lot of good moves to get here. The Pacers 'Other Guys' are beating the Thunder 'Other Guys' that is huge.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#131 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:24 am

RaptorPride wrote:Siakam pics

I usually don't care for AI generated images but these are cool as hell. Definitely rooting for Pascal to get Finals MVP.
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Post#132 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:34 am

Unless Fred was going to magically transform into Hali, we weren't winning **** with Siakam. The trade needed to happen. I hope the Pacers win on Sunday.

We saw what this team was capable of in 2020 without Kawhi. We were two possessions away from the ECF. But the leader of that team was a washed up Lowry. Masai failed to find a replacement for Lowry. Fred was a good player, but he wasn't in the Lowry/Hali tier of impact. You can't run an offence through Siakam.
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Post#133 » by FrozenLeafz » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:53 am

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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#134 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:57 am

TorontoBarneys wrote:
RaptorPride wrote:Siakam pics

I usually don't care for AI generated images but these are cool as hell. Definitely rooting for Pascal to get Finals MVP.

You gotta know how to prompt, basically sweet talk AI. A lot of new skills to be learned and used now with AI. Definitely think people who learn and can master AI and use it in their field or to create stuff with it can make killer money.

People shouldn't think about AI taking over jobs or replacing humans(well just not yet). AI right now is here to work side by side with us. Learn it and use it to your advantage.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#135 » by Scase » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:22 am

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I dunno. I think a second ring, especially given how he has played, would 100% only enhance things for Pascal and wouldn't negatively reflect on the Toronto title at all. It just didn't make any sense.

Yeah only way I could see it as a "negative" is from a personal viewpoint of the Raps one being special, still makes no sense to me lol

To me it just keeps solidifying how good the Raps Champ team was.

I hated the way we played iso ball the last few years Siakam was here. It was boring bball to watch, win or lose. He went to the perfect team to match his best playstyle....and pace. Siakam has always been a guy who can run endlessly so this is perfect. And he doesn't "have" to lead the team every night....and that has led to him once again focusing more on defense.

They will be who I root for in game 7.

Agreed 100%, that team was insanely deep, and putting Siakam in a run and gun offence is using him perfectly. Those post chip years were some of the ugliest ball I've seen from us in many many years. It really wasn't well suited to anyone we had on the roster, I won't fault Masai for not getting a stretch 5 since those are admittedly far and few between, but man we had some poorly constructed rosters, and bad offensive schemes.

I'm rooting for SGA as the Canadian and the overall canuck build of the Thunder, but won't be upset if Siakam gets another ring, win-win IMO.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#136 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:33 am

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WiggOuts wrote:This may sound bad but theres a small part of me that doesnt want Pascal to win. I dont know why but it feels like if he does, it will diminish his championship with the Raptors. He would have a better case of being arguable the best player on this championship team and likely be the finals MVP, it would be his best accolade and make his Raptors chip secondary


I don't think it diminishes it at all....if anything the 2019 Raptors roster is aging like fine wine, non-Raptors fans are finally appreciating how stacked that roster was. It was worthy of winning more than 1 championship. The Pacers are more of a one and done championship team, assuming they even win g7.

Yea GB never would agree with us on this. But now mostly everyone see's it, that team was stacked and pretty much everyone on the team has been killing it since they left. Legendary team with no lottery picks.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#137 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:34 am

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Scase wrote:Yeah only way I could see it as a "negative" is from a personal viewpoint of the Raps one being special, still makes no sense to me lol

To me it just keeps solidifying how good the Raps Champ team was.

I hated the way we played iso ball the last few years Siakam was here. It was boring bball to watch, win or lose. He went to the perfect team to match his best playstyle....and pace. Siakam has always been a guy who can run endlessly so this is perfect. And he doesn't "have" to lead the team every night....and that has led to him once again focusing more on defense.

They will be who I root for in game 7.

Agreed 100%, that team was insanely deep, and putting Siakam in a run and gun offence is using him perfectly. Those post chip years were some of the ugliest ball I've seen from us in many many years. It really wasn't well suited to anyone we had on the roster, I won't fault Masai for not getting a stretch 5 since those are admittedly far and few between, but man we had some poorly constructed rosters, and bad offensive schemes.

I'm rooting for SGA as the Canadian and the overall canuck build of the Thunder, but won't be upset if Siakam gets another ring, win-win IMO.


Masai lowkey blessed Pascal allowing him to play that ISO heavy basketball it helped him improve a lot. Even though it sucked for us and the team it helped him as a player way more than people think.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#138 » by djsunyc » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:30 am

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tsherkin wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Pascal was always a good guy;
Wish him the best and hope he ends up with the MVP


Would be pretty epic, right?

Nice to see a former Raptor most of us liked doing well!


What's funny is seeing the GB throw love his way.

When he was a Raptor: Overrated
When he is a pacer: solid player with a HOf resume

Even some of the rationale posters there can't admit there's an engrained raptors bias


there's raptors haters here for pete's sake!
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#139 » by Tacoma » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:43 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:
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Would be pretty epic, right?

Nice to see a former Raptor most of us liked doing well!


What's funny is seeing the GB throw love his way.

When he was a Raptor: Overrated
When he is a pacer: solid player with a HOf resume

Even some of the rationale posters there can't admit there's an engrained raptors bias


there's raptors haters here for pete's sake!


To be fair, Siakam's situation is different in IND. Here, he was only in his 3rd year in 2019, Kawhi got all the attention (rightfully so) and trophies and Lowry was clearly the leader while Siakam was one of the key support guys along with Gasol & others playing different but equally key roles.

Now in IND, he's arguably the best player in terms of consistency in leading the team in PTS & REB while playing excellent defense. He's not a support guy but rather one of the leaders of team and getting trophies like WCF MVP and likely, if they win Game 7, the FMVP as well. He has the spotlight.

As for HOF resume, the majority on the GB doesn't think he'll likely make it, but if IND wins Game 7 with Siakam winning his 2nd ring and FMVP, then clearly his resume is better today with IND than it was in TOR and the odds of getting into HOF rightfully gors up.
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Re: Pascal is one win away from finals mvp 

Post#140 » by Bruin » Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:12 am

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Bruin wrote:When was the last time a player who actually wanted to stay with a team got traded and won a ring + FMVP the following season? Would this be the first?


it would be his 2nd season after the trade

He was traded last season. This current season is the season following the one where he was traded mid season. My post wasn’t implying that it was the same season as the trade, hence why I specifically said “the following season”
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