Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Pointgod]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.

Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for an allstar level PG lol.

Also, no chance any team is lining up to pay Poeltl 3/80. 3/70 is the max I see him getting.

A lot of people thought the same about Fred Van Vleet and look how that turned out.

[Tor_Raps]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.

Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for an allstar level PG lol.

Also, no chance any team is lining up to pay Poeltl 3/80. 3/70 is the max I see him getting.

A lot of people thought the same about Fred Van Vleet and look how that turned out.

Agreed, he could always luck into a Fred to Houston or Hartenstein to OKC situation but money has only been getting tighter in the nba.

Teams are only now realizing the 2nd apron is basically a hard cap. Money got super tight last offseason and this offseason only has a couple of teams even under the cap to spend anything.

[djsunyc]

my guess is 3/85 or 4/100 for yak.

[douggood]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.

Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for an allstar level PG lol.

Also, no chance any team is lining up to pay Poeltl 3/80. 3/70 is the max I see him getting.

when he signed his 4 year 78 flat deal, the cap was $136

the cap next year is $170, equivalent to 4 year $97.5 (or 3 year $73) percentage wise to match his old %

[Tor_Raps]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.

Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for an allstar level PG lol.

Also, no chance any team is lining up to pay Poeltl 3/80. 3/70 is the max I see him getting.

when he signed his 4 year 78 flat deal, the cap was $136

the cap next year is $170, equivalent to 4 year $97.5 (or 3 year $73) percentage wise to match his old %

We are in a different cap world now compared to when teams signed blank checks without understanding what the new CBA meant for the nba.

There just aren't enough teams with cap space available but you can always run into a Fred to Houston or Hartenstein to OKC situation. I'm interested to see what an extension looks like.

[RapsFanInOhio]

The thing about taking on a contract like Williams is that Masai almost never does that. I think that’s especially true with the ownership uncertainty. They’re going to want to keep things flexible at least for a while.

[LoveMyRaps]

The thing about taking on a contract like Williams is that Masai almost never does that. I think that’s especially true with the ownership uncertainty. They’re going to want to keep things flexible at least for a while.

Gotta be prepared for SGA

[LoveMyRaps]

I think Spurs and Raptors are front runners

[YogurtProducer]

It’s a bit high but it’s still a startable/6th man type 40% 3 point shooter AND you get 12?

I take that every day of the week.

I like RJ, but he isn’t exactly a great contract

You're taking on more years here, I don't even wanna trade RJ, but if we are we should be trading up, he's not a toxic or bad contract. PWill sucks at 18m x 4yr

I’m no PWill fan but with the way the cap is going he’ll effectively be making the MLE for his last 2 seasons. For a solid spot starter/backup 3/4 that’s perfectly fine money. Yeah the length sort of sucks.

Sign me up for that deal. There are always good players available in the 12 range and it balances our roster better shifting depth from the 2/3 to 3/4.

Yeah the Williams hate is a bit much.

$18M for a 40% shooter who is somewhat of a 3+D guy isn’t amazing value but it isn’t horrible. It balances out our roster, fits a need (vet backup PG / third stringer), and brings in more youth on controllable contracts in the 12th pick.

PWill feels like a nice buy low.

IQ/Shead
Ochai/Walter
Ingram/Dick/Battle
Barnes/PWill
Poeltl/Mogbo

Plus 9 and 12

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Kevin Durant trade uncertainty continues to loom over the entire league.

Will the fourth trade of Durant's career materialize before Wednesday night's draft?

The Suns' ongoing negotiations with teams such as Houston, Miami and Minnesota have left various rival front offices under the impression — barring a significant weekend shift in the state of talks — that the discussions will likely stretch into next week.

The Suns, sources say, continue to believe that a deal they consider palatable can materialize before the first night of the draft begins, with Phoenix quietly hopeful for some time that the return from the first trade executed by new general manager Brian Gregory will include a draft pick that it can immediately put to use during Wednesday night's proceedings. Houston's No. 10 overall pick, of course, initially belonged to Phoenix and made its way to the Rockets via Brooklyn … as well as those Suns first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 that Houston insists it will not part with.

League sources say that the Suns' Durant discussions in recent days have likewise featured attempts to coax, say, Toronto to part with its No. 9 overall pick on Wednesday night. Or Minnesota's No. 17 selection. Or Miami's turn at No. 20.

Yet it's also clear that the Suns' conversations, to this point, have fallen short of delivering a return they do considerable palatable after the stunning haul they surrendered in February 2023 to acquire Durant. Gregory is obviously under a considerable amount of scrutiny as he negotiates his first major transaction after landing the Suns' GM job with just one season of full-time NBA experience before he got it.




Among the dynamics apparently not working in Phoenix's favor: We can confirm our Sportsnet colleague Michael Grange's reporting Friday that Toronto — initially presumed to be willing to part with Jakob Poeltl if it meant landing Durant — maintains now that it would not even surrender Poeltl in a deal for the future Hall of Famer.

It remains to be seen how firm that stance is, but league sources say that the Raptors and their very underrated center have mutual interest in hammering out a contract extension in the near future if no trade intervenes.


The Raptors, as we've seen during various recent transaction windows, aren't merely a Durant suitor but have indicated that they're open to various trades in conjunction with a Durant deal as next week's draft approaches. Toronto continues to signal that it's open to moving down from No. 9 in Wednesday's first-round order, sources say, while the Raptors have also made calls to determine what it would take to obtain a second lottery pick. What seems clear: The Raptors have convinced many rival teams that they want to be in position, no matter what, to be able to draft another center.


Another valuable footnote stemming from this week's widespread Durant trade talks: League sources say several teams have registered interest in the Suns' Cody Martin. The veteran swingman could very well factor into any direct or multi-team deal that Phoenix inevitably puts together to ship out the NBA's No. 8 all-time leading scorer.

Miami, to name one example, is known to hold an affinity for Martin, sources say. The Heat certainly developed a familiarity for Martin while Miami rostered his twin brother Caleb.


We've been writing for seemingly weeks now that Phoenix covets a starting-level big man this offseason in addition to all of its other roster objectives. It is unclear, though, whether the Suns will be able to fill that position as part of a Durant deal.

Just like Poeltl in Toronto, Miami is said to be firmly against including standout rookie center Kel'el Ware in their offers for Durant, sources say. Without Ware in a theoretical trade, Phoenix is presumed to be seeking future first-round draft capital from Miami to help deliver Durant to South Beach at long last.

Thank God. But one thing’s for certain, even though we are not getting Durant, Raptors look like they’re probably going to make some sort of trade this offseason. They’ve just been too active

It all depends. Is this offseason gonna be as crazy as experts think it will in regards to player availability? If so then our names will continue to be attached to these guys. If not...then there's nothing you can do about it other than stay ready for when the next opportunities arise.

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[TGM]

I RJ’s value in the opening market is higher than people think. Most fans don’t watch other teams and when you can get a guy who is 24 that put up 21-6-6 that’s always sellable to fans. Add in RJ has a very friendly contract and still upside. He could very well be a Middleton/ Derozan type of play when all said and done. Suns positional need for PG and C make RJ a bit redundant with Beal and Booker.

I also think Masai is determined to draft Malauch or Essengue.

My guess is IQ, RJ, 9th and a combo of Dick, Ochai or Walter get traded.

IQ and 9 will go to Phoenix and maybe an Ayton goes back to the Suns. He was great during the Paul, Booker days. Or it could be timelotd and Thybulle plus 11.

Something like

Suns get IQ, Ayton 9th and Dick

Suns send KD, Allen and 29th

Portland gets 39th, RJ, Ochai, Toronto 2026 first (top 5 protected)

Portland gives Ayton and 11th

Toronto gives IQ, RJ, Dick, Ochai, 39th, 9th and 2026 first.

Toronto gets, KD, Allen, 11th.

Not sure how salaries work but there might be a way for Raps to get under the luxury tax level and have the full MLE to acquire a PG like Tyus Jones and Brogdon.

MLE - Shead- Brogdon
Ingram - Walter - Wilson
Durant - Allen
Barnes - Mogbo - Chomche
Jakob - Malauch - Castleton

[Kreamy]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.

Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move for an allstar level player using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for a PG lol.

For a Paul George ?!?

Barrett and Ingram for George, Oubre and the 3rd pick.

Who says no?

[Kreamy]

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Not sure about this deal but the Blazers have registered interest in Barrett and currently have the best odds of landing him.

I would seriously consider Barrett for Thybulle, Robert Williams and the 11th pick. The Blazers made a similar deal last year for Avdija.

[Shakril]

Sportsnet saying Raps won't trade Yak in a deal for Durant.

Is that "new" news?

Its yesterdays news, but people are so eager to trade him, that it is getting ignored in half of the trade proposals. Its clear Masai want to keep him unless a Giannis comes around and Poeltl would be part of the price.

[Shakril]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.
jacob 3 year extension max is 88.5, a deal for 3 year 80 mil is palatable to me

Or 4 years for 120 if he opts out.

[Shakril]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.

Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for an allstar level PG lol.

Also, no chance any team is lining up to pay Poeltl 3/80. 3/70 is the max I see him getting.

Hartenstein got 3/87 and Poeltl is the better player (OKC sees it the same way as they went for Poeltl first, so please dont argue about that)

There is no reason for Poeltl to take less, only if Masai can convince Poeltl to take less so the team keeps more flexibility for the roster.

[Tripod]

raptors were just bargin hunting, the rumors just got out of hand.

Offseason hasn't even really started. Buckle up buddy, I expect a good move using RJ + IQ + asset(s) for an allstar level PG lol.

Also, no chance any team is lining up to pay Poeltl 3/80. 3/70 is the max I see him getting.

Hartenstein got 3/87 and Poeltl is the better player (OKC sees it the same way as they went for Poeltl first, so please dont argue about that)

There is no reason for Poeltl to take less, only if Masai can convince Poeltl to take less so the team keeps more flexibility for the roster.

But could also come down to who has cap space to sign him. And if he/his agent foresees few teams with room and fit, he could sign for less. Especially if he doesn't want to leave Toronto.

[positivetension]

You're taking on more years here, I don't even wanna trade RJ, but if we are we should be trading up, he's not a toxic or bad contract. PWill sucks at 18m x 4yr

I’m no PWill fan but with the way the cap is going he’ll effectively be making the MLE for his last 2 seasons. For a solid spot starter/backup 3/4 that’s perfectly fine money. Yeah the length sort of sucks.

Sign me up for that deal. There are always good players available in the 12 range and it balances our roster better shifting depth from the 2/3 to 3/4.

Yeah the Williams hate is a bit much.

$18M for a 40% shooter who is somewhat of a 3+D guy isn’t amazing value but it isn’t horrible. It balances out our roster, fits a need (vet backup PG / third stringer), and brings in more youth on controllable contracts in the 12th pick.

PWill feels like a nice buy low.

IQ/Shead
Ochai/Walter
Ingram/Dick/Battle
Barnes/PWill
Poeltl/Mogbo

Plus 9 and 12

He's putting up the same stats as his rookie year but on worse percentages. He was 40% from the field and 35% from 3 last year. The boxscore might(?) make him look like a serviceable player but he's not. He's invisible, doesn't have a feel for the game and he's owed money for the next four years.

2-3 years ago I thought he had potential but I watched enough Chicago games to change my mind.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

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Not sure about this deal but the Blazers have registered interest in Barrett and currently have the best odds of landing him.

I would seriously consider Barrett for Thybulle, Robert Williams and the 11th pick. The Blazers made a similar deal last year for Avdija.

That’s a solid trade I think we can all get behind

[djsunyc]

i agree. a reclamation project like pwill should be on a 1 year deal, not 4. you have to love who you are getting for #12 if you giv up rj and take on those 2 extra years of salary. that backup pf slot can be on a rookie deal.