Questions on Luka Dončić portability/adaptability considering how good of a versatile coach Rick Carlisle is?

[WestGOAT]

Rumors have it that Carlisle quit the Mavs due to conflicts with Luka, really makes you wonder how much of a diva Luka is actually.

We had legit questions on how much impact Luka really had early in his career, cause the Mavs offensive rating actually didnt decrease much without him, heck if I recall correctly it maintained itself nicely.

Now with hindsight it was probably due to the offensive genius of Carlisle. I wonder if Luka bought in more with Rick, if it could have been the next Phil Jackson and MJ tandem.

Pretty bad look for Luka tbh.

[Swish1906]

Questions about your neverending attempts to bash Luka.

„We“ also didn’t have legit questions about his impact earlier, just see what trash roster he carried until the WCF or his series against the Clippers when everyone else on his team laid eggs…

[MrGoat]

What? Rick left the Mavs because they fired Donnie Nelson and hired Nico Harrison. He didn't make that a mystery on the way out

[Mavrelous]

Rick and Luka butted heads a lot, as did KP and Rick and many other players before him, Tim MacMahon goes into the relationship deep, and it started with Rick blunder with DSJ, not Luka, but Rick left because he was eyeing the Bucks job, who later on went onto an improbable run so he took the Indiana job.
Rick is a brilliant coach, but he's not an easy person to deal with, ask Jalen Brunson who talked extensively about his hard time dealing with Rick, trying to pin this solely on Luka is a cheap shot TBH.

[MrGoat]

Rick and Luka butted heads a lot, as did KP and Rick and many other players before him, Tim MacMahon goes into the relationship deep, and it started with Rick blunder with DSJ, not Luka, but Rick left because he was eyeing the Bucks job, who later on went onto an improbable run so he took the Indiana job.
Rick is a brilliant coach, but he's not an easy person to deal with, ask Jalen Brunson who talked extensively about his hard time dealing with Rick, trying to pin this solely on Luka is a cheap shot TBH.

Yep. Rick always butts heads with his point guards because he is always very hard on his point guards. If he didn't butt heads with Luka that would have been out of character and a cause for concern. He was almost at war with Jason Kidd during 2011 and before. I guarantee you he has been butting heads with Haliburton, too.

He was very clear about why he left the Mavs too, and it had nothing to do with Luka

[og15]

Questions about your neverending attempts to bash Luka.

„We“ also didn’t have legit questions about his impact earlier, just see what trash roster he carried until the WCF or his series against the Clippers when everyone else on his team laid eggs…

To be precise, some people did question this. Rookie season who cares (it was same on/off).

2nd year: 118.7 on / 115 off
Playoffs: 111.8 on / 117.5 off

3rd year: 118.5 on / 110.7 off
Playoffs: 119.6 on / 89.8 off

4th year: 115.5 on / 111.1 off
Playoffs: 115.8 on / 114.8 off

The Mavs consistently had really good to solid Ortg with him on the bench, with 2021 playoffs being the only exception. That doesn't usually happen without some really good guy leading the bench or a really good starter being staggered with the bench.

So I get why some people questioned the, 'how come", and especially since people didn't really know how good Brunson was for the last year one. I don't think that's an indictment on a player. Two things can be true, a player can be a really good offensive engine, AND a coach can be a really good offensive coach who can get the most out of benches. Two things can also be true that a player can be a really good offensive engine, and the team could be even better if they made some adjustments, those things can all live in the same reality and don't contradict eah other.

[zimpy27]

If a player is a problem for a coach you'll know about it. No need to speculate, it will be obvious.

[WestGOAT]

Questions about your neverending attempts to bash Luka.

„We“ also didn’t have legit questions about his impact earlier, just see what trash roster he carried until the WCF or his series against the Clippers when everyone else on his team laid eggs…

To be precise, some people did question this. Rookie season who cares (it was same on/off).

2nd year: 118.7 on / 115 off
Playoffs: 111.8 on / 117.5 off

3rd year: 118.5 on / 110.7 off
Playoffs: 119.6 on / 89.8 off

4th year: 115.5 on / 111.1 off
Playoffs: 115.8 on / 114.8 off

The Mavs consistently had really good to solid Ortg with him on the bench, with 2021 playoffs being the only exception. That doesn't usually happen without some really good guy leading the bench or a really good starter being staggered with the bench.

So I get why some people questioned the, 'how come", and especially since people didn't really know how good Brunson was for the last year one. I don't think that's an indictment on a player. Two things can be true, a player can be a really good offensive engine, AND a coach can be a really good offensive coach who can get the most out of benches. Two things can also be true that a player can be a really good offensive engine, and the team could be even better if they made some adjustments, those things can all live in the same reality and don't contradict eah other.

Thanks for pulling up those numbers. Such a shame Carlisle and Doncic didn't last, Carlisle really looking like one of the best coaches in the NBA at the moment.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Yeah this is one of the least mysterious mysteries of all time. Carlisle left because the Mavs got rid of his partner in crime Don Nelson.

[Archx]

Questions about your neverending attempts to bash Luka.

„We“ also didn’t have legit questions about his impact earlier, just see what trash roster he carried until the WCF or his series against the Clippers when everyone else on his team laid eggs…

To be precise, some people did question this. Rookie season who cares (it was same on/off).

2nd year: 118.7 on / 115 off
Playoffs: 111.8 on / 117.5 off

3rd year: 118.5 on / 110.7 off
Playoffs: 119.6 on / 89.8 off

4th year: 115.5 on / 111.1 off
Playoffs: 115.8 on / 114.8 off

The Mavs consistently had really good to solid Ortg with him on the bench, with 2021 playoffs being the only exception. That doesn't usually happen without some really good guy leading the bench or a really good starter being staggered with the bench.

So I get why some people questioned the, 'how come", and especially since people didn't really know how good Brunson was for the last year one. I don't think that's an indictment on a player. Two things can be true, a player can be a really good offensive engine, AND a coach can be a really good offensive coach who can get the most out of benches. Two things can also be true that a player can be a really good offensive engine, and the team could be even better if they made some adjustments, those things can all live in the same reality and don't contradict eah other.

And then you also look at Mavs win% with or without him and you'll see huge difference.

With 57%
Without 42%

[Rubios]

No coach, fomer coach, team mate or former team mate has said anything but positive things about Luka.

Don't buy the bs the Mavs are trying to get down your throat.

[Lalouie]

Rumors have it that Carlisle quit the Mavs due to conflicts with Luka, really makes you wonder how much of a diva Luka is actually.

We had legit questions on how much impact Luka really had early in his career, cause the Mavs offensive rating actually didnt decrease much without him, heck if I recall correctly it maintained itself nicely.

Now with hindsight it was probably due to the offensive genius of Carlisle. I wonder if Luka bought in more with Rick, if it could have been the next Phil Jackson and MJ tandem.

Pretty bad look for Luka tbh.

[ChumboChappati]

Rumors have it that Carlisle quit the Mavs due to conflicts with Luka, really makes you wonder how much of a diva Luka is actually.

We had legit questions on how much impact Luka really had early in his career, cause the Mavs offensive rating actually didnt decrease much without him, heck if I recall correctly it maintained itself nicely.

Now with hindsight it was probably due to the offensive genius of Carlisle. I wonder if Luka bought in more with Rick, if it could have been the next Phil Jackson and MJ tandem.

Pretty bad look for Luka tbh.

Idtiotic post.

[HotRocks34]

Cuban and Carlisle blew the situation.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45493117/how-rick-carlisle-impacts-tyrese-haliburton-indiana-pacers

The friction in Carlisle's relationship with Doncic, a strain that started early in Doncic's rookie season, was a factor in the winningest coach in franchise history eventually resigning from the Mavericks job after the 2020-21 season. Carlisle and Haliburton, on the other hand, have a harmonious bond, one the veteran coach has gone out of his way to foster.

"One of the things that's nice to see is that [Carlisle] has a good relationship with the star players or all the players on his team, it seems like," Voulgaris told ESPN. "Whereas in Dallas, that was probably not the case obviously. There's some growth there."

Meaning growth in Carlisle.

The situation was a mess and I personally believe that the main blame lays with Cuban.



What was the issue there, or part of it? Here's some insight.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32861454/luka-doncic-rick-carlisle-dissolution-their-relationship-comes-next-dallas-mavericks

It might not have been a basketball fit, but Doncic and Smith had formed a bond. And Carlisle's apparent determination to make Smith miserable during their brief time as teammates was appalling to Doncic, several former players and staffers told ESPN.

Multiple players were shocked during one early-season team meeting when Carlisle accused Smith of being jealous of Doncic, sources said. The players considered it incredibly unfair to Smith, who wasn't playing well but was making an honest effort to mesh with Doncic on the court.

Doncic particularly resented what he perceived as Carlisle's attempt to pit him against his friend and teammate, team sources said.

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"It wasn't really about how Rick treated Luka," a Mavs player on the 2018-19 team said. "Luka hated how Rick treated other people."

Rick's a great coach but a unique dude who has rubbed some people the wrong way. That's on him, but it seems like he's learned.

Both Carlisle and Doncic were probably best served by moving on from Dallas.

[Lalouie]

according to my close buddy chatgpt who always tells me the truth luka didn't like the way rick treated his teammates
so it sounds like there was rick vs everyone else. here's what you DON'T tamper with........the genius mind. the genius needs to breath it's own air. you don't FKKK with it!

regardless, there's never any ONE thing that happens, but several over time.

i love luka's genius mind but rick had a warm relationship with my man walton(another genius), so i'm sitting on the fence

[carlquincy]

Irrelevant qns, because you will build around Luka, rather than adapt him to your team.