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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#521 » by eyriq » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:12 pm

Step 1. Draft PG, C, and SG
Step 2. Decline Moritz and Caleb
Step 3. MLE for NAW, vet min for CoJo

Out: Moritz, Caleb, Harris, Cole, KCP
In: Bane, NAW, PG, C, SG
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Post#522 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:23 pm

VFX wrote:Not sure why people are out on Moe.

He will resign for a restructured deal. Orlando’s bench offense is actually garbage other than Moe despite his defense. If you get rid of him you have to find other ways of scoring that aren’t theoretical.

Anthony Lack or Tristan da Silva aren’t providing scoring punch off the bench. Those are nice supplemental role players. That’s it.

Moe might be one way, but he at least has an elite skillset. Goga does too but in the opposite direction. Carter has neither as the middle ground most average Center.


Moe is the center version of TJ McConnell, extremely vital component to any team trying to contend.

Resigning him should be at the top of Orlando’s priorities this off season.

Admittedly and without much thought, I was convinced we decline his option and lowball him to take a vet min. prove it deal but who am I kidding. Orlando doesn’t have the luxury to lose him and it might be wise to do the complete opposite and sign him to a longerterm/more secured decently structured deal. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Orlando offered him a 2+1 deal even considering his injury because a healthy Mo is competing for 6MOTY easily and should have plenty of suitors elsewhere.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#523 » by jezzerinho » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:30 pm

I'm a Moe fan, even more so as we lack offense, but I find it tough to imagine a deal both sides would be able to stomach. The FO still has a bench to construct that won't crater when the starters are off. Move JI and we have a fighting chance but that has to be in July iirc....
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Post#524 » by eyriq » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:31 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
VFX wrote:Not sure why people are out on Moe.

He will resign for a restructured deal. Orlando’s bench offense is actually garbage other than Moe despite his defense. If you get rid of him you have to find other ways of scoring that aren’t theoretical.

Anthony Lack or Tristan da Silva aren’t providing scoring punch off the bench. Those are nice supplemental role players. That’s it.

Moe might be one way, but he at least has an elite skillset. Goga does too but in the opposite direction. Carter has neither as the middle ground most average Center.


Moe is the center version of TJ McConnell, extremely vital component to any team trying to contend.

Resigning him should be at the top of Orlando’s priorities this off season.

Admittedly and without much thought, I was convinced we decline his option and lowball him to take a vet min. prove it deal but who am I kidding. Orlando doesn’t have the luxury to lose him and it might be wise to do the complete opposite and sign him to a longerterm/more secured decently structured deal. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Orlando offered him a 2+1 deal even considering his injury because a healthy Mo is competing for 6MOTY easily and should have plenty of suitors elsewhere.
He's gone at over 65% probability IMO
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Post#525 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:34 pm

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VFX wrote:Not sure why people are out on Moe.

He will resign for a restructured deal. Orlando’s bench offense is actually garbage other than Moe despite his defense. If you get rid of him you have to find other ways of scoring that aren’t theoretical.

Anthony Lack or Tristan da Silva aren’t providing scoring punch off the bench. Those are nice supplemental role players. That’s it.

Moe might be one way, but he at least has an elite skillset. Goga does too but in the opposite direction. Carter has neither as the middle ground most average Center.


Moe is the center version of TJ McConnell, extremely vital component to any team trying to contend.

Resigning him should be at the top of Orlando’s priorities this off season.

Admittedly and without much thought, I was convinced we decline his option and lowball him to take a vet min. prove it deal but who am I kidding. Orlando doesn’t have the luxury to lose him and it might be wise to do the complete opposite and sign him to a longerterm/more secured decently structured deal. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Orlando offered him a 2+1 deal even considering his injury because a healthy Mo is competing for 6MOTY easily and should have plenty of suitors elsewhere.
He's gone at over 65% probability IMO


Really? That’s interesting.

Because we can’t afford him or using the MLE is more important now than retaining him?
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Post#526 » by tiderulz » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:38 pm

VFX wrote:Not sure why people are out on Moe.

He will resign for a restructured deal. Orlando’s bench offense is actually garbage other than Moe despite his defense. If you get rid of him you have to find other ways of scoring that aren’t theoretical.

Anthony Lack or Tristan da Silva aren’t providing scoring punch off the bench. Those are nice supplemental role players. That’s it.

Moe might be one way, but he at least has an elite skillset. Goga does too but in the opposite direction. Carter has neither as the middle ground most average Center.

i have zero problem re-signing Moe. decline the team option and sign him on a 3-4 year deal at lower cost would be great.
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Post#527 » by eyriq » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:44 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Moe is the center version of TJ McConnell, extremely vital component to any team trying to contend.

Resigning him should be at the top of Orlando’s priorities this off season.

Admittedly and without much thought, I was convinced we decline his option and lowball him to take a vet min. prove it deal but who am I kidding. Orlando doesn’t have the luxury to lose him and it might be wise to do the complete opposite and sign him to a longerterm/more secured decently structured deal. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Orlando offered him a 2+1 deal even considering his injury because a healthy Mo is competing for 6MOTY easily and should have plenty of suitors elsewhere.
He's gone at over 65% probability IMO


Really? That’s interesting.

Because we can’t afford him or using the MLE is more important now than retaining him?


Using the MLE is more important. We traded four backcourt players for one, and now need perimeter depth more than frontcourt depth. Goga led the team in win shares, JI can cover small-ball 5, and WCJ is the starter...all under multi-year guaranteed deals. Moe’s spot just isn’t as high a priority.
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Post#528 » by RichCollab » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:47 pm

We need some fresh news.
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Post#529 » by SOUL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:47 pm

Moe's in a weird spot where he probably deserves a bigger contract that we can realistically afford him right now, and we can't be too generous with someone coming off an ACL tear and we can also replenish a big man spot potentially very cheaply at #25.

He's a great scorer and a boon to our bench scoring which we do need, but with how the roster is constructed, $$ decisions have to be made smartly. If Franz wasn't on the team I think this decision becomes easier lol.
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Post#530 » by Skybox » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:09 pm

When I look at Moe's situation, my question is...what can we get for Goga?

I'd be happy to offer Moe Goga's deal ($8m x 2yr) and move Goga for help elsewhere...pick up a vet min or close to it vet center as a placeholder who will get minutes while Moe rehabs. Isaac will get mins too, in certain matchups or schemes. I just don't see a meaningful future here for Goga AND Moe, so I choose Moe...*this all assumes that WCJ is Mose and FO's fave of the 3-which is pretty clear. Othewise, I'm trading him. Ideally, I get a better starting C and get rid of WCJ AND Goga...or, more realistically, keep WCJ until the TD, once we know we're okay at the C rotation.

But I'd move Goga today for help elsewhere in the lineup...
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Post#531 » by CarraT » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:11 pm

eyriq wrote:Step 1. Draft PG, C, and SG
Step 2. Decline Moritz and Caleb
Step 3. MLE for NAW, vet min for CoJo

Out: Moritz, Caleb, Harris, Cole, KCP
In: Bane, NAW, PG, C, SG


Why do you want to draft a PG and a SG and sign NAW and keep CoJo when we already have Suggs and Bane starting and AB with his „elite playmaking“ is our PGOTF because he is exactly what we need? :lol:

So you want to have:
PG: Suggs, Draft, CoJo
SG: Bane, NAW, Draft

Where does your love affair AB fit in here? :D
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Post#532 » by eyriq » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:26 pm

CarraT wrote:
eyriq wrote:Step 1. Draft PG, C, and SG
Step 2. Decline Moritz and Caleb
Step 3. MLE for NAW, vet min for CoJo

Out: Moritz, Caleb, Harris, Cole, KCP
In: Bane, NAW, PG, C, SG


Why do you want to draft a PG and a SG and sign NAW and keep CoJo when we already have Suggs and Bane starting and AB with his „elite playmaking“ is our PGOTF because he is exactly what we need?

So you want to have:
PG: Suggs, Draft, CoJo
SG: Bane, NAW, Draft

Where does your love affair AB fit in here? :D
Drafted players probably wouldn't make the rotation.

Point guard: Suggs
Combo guard: AB
Shooting guard: Bane
Swingman: NAW
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: TDS
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: JI
Quick center: WCJ
Power big: Goga

Green goblins: CoJo, drafted PG, drafted SG, Jett, drafted C
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Post#533 » by VFX » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:29 pm

I'll put it this way man...

If you believe Moe is gone Weltman has a TON of work to do rounding out the bench on the fringes.

There has to be some semblance of offense off the bench either in a rotational capacity or as a reserve should injuries happen. Like, you can absolutely make arguments for more back court depth using the MLE.

Acquisitions via trade have to have some kind of skillset to offset moving Moe though. You cannot decline him and fill the space with questionable skillsets that dont help in that department whether those be theoretical or idealized. We have to have evidence it translates into the ball going in the basket.
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Post#534 » by eyriq » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:32 pm

VFX wrote:I'll put it this way man...

If you believe Moe is gone Weltman has a TON of work to do rounding out the bench on the fringes.

There has to be some semblance of offense off the bench either in a rotational capacity or as a reserve should injuries happen. Like, you can absolutely make arguments for more back court depth using the MLE.

Acquisitions via trade have to have some kind of skillset to offset moving Moe though. You cannot decline him and fill the space with questionable skillsets that dont help in that department whether those be theoretical or idealized. We have to have evidence it translates into the ball going in the basket.
Any of these players with the MLE and I'm happy

NAW, Jerome, GTJ, Seth, Malik, and Kennard
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Post#535 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:34 pm

CarraT wrote:
eyriq wrote:Step 1. Draft PG, C, and SG
Step 2. Decline Moritz and Caleb
Step 3. MLE for NAW, vet min for CoJo

Out: Moritz, Caleb, Harris, Cole, KCP
In: Bane, NAW, PG, C, SG


Why do you want to draft a PG and a SG and sign NAW and keep CoJo when we already have Suggs and Bane starting and AB with his „elite playmaking“ is our PGOTF because he is exactly what we need?

So you want to have:
PG: Suggs, Draft, CoJo
SG: Bane, NAW, Draft

Where does your love affair AB fit in here? :D
I'm not sure you're aware, but teams have 3 PGs. In the NBA, they also have a cap. Cap is the limit of money a team can spend each season. Next week, they have the NBA draft. The draft is where each team gets 2 picks.

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Post#536 » by VFX » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:35 pm

eyriq wrote:
VFX wrote:I'll put it this way man...

If you believe Moe is gone Weltman has a TON of work to do rounding out the bench on the fringes.

There has to be some semblance of offense off the bench either in a rotational capacity or as a reserve should injuries happen. Like, you can absolutely make arguments for more back court depth using the MLE.

Acquisitions via trade have to have some kind of skillset to offset moving Moe though. You cannot decline him and fill the space with questionable skillsets that dont help in that department whether those be theoretical or idealized. We have to have evidence it translates into the ball going in the basket.
Any of these players with the MLE and I'm happy

NAW, Jerome, GTJ, Seth, Malik, and Kennard


I think we have to see what other trades take place first and who we walk away with in the draft.

Getting rid of Moe before Isaac or Goga though seems a little shortsighted IMO. There are a lot of reasons to keep him over those guys. I don’t think Orlando has the luxury of getting rid of their best bench scorer right now.
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Post#537 » by AdamTheGreek » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:40 pm

We have to retain Mo. For various on and off court reasons. Even if that means dumping two of Wendell, JI, or Goga.
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Post#538 » by eyriq » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:41 pm

VFX wrote:
eyriq wrote:
VFX wrote:I'll put it this way man...

If you believe Moe is gone Weltman has a TON of work to do rounding out the bench on the fringes.

There has to be some semblance of offense off the bench either in a rotational capacity or as a reserve should injuries happen. Like, you can absolutely make arguments for more back court depth using the MLE.

Acquisitions via trade have to have some kind of skillset to offset moving Moe though. You cannot decline him and fill the space with questionable skillsets that dont help in that department whether those be theoretical or idealized. We have to have evidence it translates into the ball going in the basket.
Any of these players with the MLE and I'm happy

NAW, Jerome, GTJ, Seth, Malik, and Kennard


I think we have to see what other trades take place first and who we walk away with in the draft.

Getting rid of Moe before Isaac or Goga though seems a little shortsighted IMO. There are a lot of reasons to keep him over those guys. I don’t think Orlando has the luxury of getting rid of their best bench scorer right now.


They’ve already shown their hand with who they’re investing in. The guaranteed deals tell the story. If Moe is declined, a Seth-type signing makes sense as part of a decline-and-resign path. It’s about reallocating cap efficiently, not downgrading the bench.
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Post#539 » by CarraT » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:49 pm

basketballRob wrote:
CarraT wrote:
eyriq wrote:Step 1. Draft PG, C, and SG
Step 2. Decline Moritz and Caleb
Step 3. MLE for NAW, vet min for CoJo

Out: Moritz, Caleb, Harris, Cole, KCP
In: Bane, NAW, PG, C, SG


Why do you want to draft a PG and a SG and sign NAW and keep CoJo when we already have Suggs and Bane starting and AB with his „elite playmaking“ is our PGOTF because he is exactly what we need?

So you want to have:
PG: Suggs, Draft, CoJo
SG: Bane, NAW, Draft

Where does your love affair AB fit in here? :D
I'm not sure you're aware, but teams have 3 PGs. In the NBA, they also have a cap. Cap is the limit of money a team can spend each season. Next week, they have the NBA draft. The draft is where each team gets 2 picks.

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Can’t you read? IF you see AB as pg, we would’ve 4 then. Why invest in another PG rookie PLUS sign CoJo PLUS having Suggs signed long term as PG starter when AB is already PGOTF?
I’ll tell you why: Because AB is not a PG.
his best position/role is defensive swingman.
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Post#540 » by VFX » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:49 pm

eyriq wrote:
VFX wrote:
eyriq wrote:Any of these players with the MLE and I'm happy

NAW, Jerome, GTJ, Seth, Malik, and Kennard


I think we have to see what other trades take place first and who we walk away with in the draft.

Getting rid of Moe before Isaac or Goga though seems a little shortsighted IMO. There are a lot of reasons to keep him over those guys. I don’t think Orlando has the luxury of getting rid of their best bench scorer right now.


They’ve already shown their hand with who they’re investing in. The guaranteed deals tell the story. If Moe is declined, a Seth-type signing makes sense as part of a decline-and-resign path. It’s about reallocating cap efficiently, not downgrading the bench.


So hypothetically if they draft Clayton or Richardson do they sign a combo guard? What if Coward falls to them? Do they use the MLE on NAW still?

Do they move Isaac if they draft Fleming or Sorber for similar players that you mentioned? There are many available options like this they could take.

They know what they are getting with Moe. They are getting a guy that produces reliable offense, which is clearly lacking off the bench.

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