BREAKING: Magic acquire Desmond Bane (KCP, Cole + 4 1st Round Picks + 1 1st Round Pick Swap)

[yoyojw17]

It is not to say that faster is better.

It's asking the question as to whether Desmond Bane is the same player in the complete opposite system with the complete opposite roster around him.

Those 3 systems you listed are good on offense because they are efficient in a slow pace and can score rather easily in a half court in a variety of ways. Orlando is not only slow, but inefficient up to this point.

I do agree though that it will prioritize the defense further and games will be physical grindfests.

If Bane can give the Magic just like 16-17 points a night on .600 TS%, which doesn't seem like an unreasonable expectation, the Magic's offense will absolutely be significantly better than it was.

If they can just bump their offense up to dead middle of the pack 15th, given how well they project to be defensively still, you're talking about somewhere around a +5.0 to +5.5 NET rating which is equivalent of like the 4th best team in the NBA.

The offense will undoubtedly be better. To what degree is the question.

This ultimately boils down to how exactly he is used and how effective he is within a much much slower half court setting. Unless we are expecting the system to be more run and gun than we have seen in the last 3-4 seasons here.

Praying that a higher tempo offense is in play. No more getting it over the line with 15 sec left on the clock just to go into an iso..... Puhlease! Lol

[basketballRob]

Bane is really close to the same as prime Klay.

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Thats what i have been writing about and he makes 52% of them which is great. KCP and Bane are totally different archetype. Its not only pg vs sg.

[pepe1991]

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Thats what i have been writing about and he makes 52% of them which is great. KCP and Bane are totally different archetype. Its not only pg vs sg.

Those numbers don't tell you what you think they do tho.

Cole averages more drives than Bane 18,4 mpg = 7,4 drives is way more than 32 mpg and 10,5 a game. It's literally x100.
Driving is best thing Cole does. He was also team's best passer off drives.

KCP can't drive, guy has no handles...

As for context of driving. It's hard to really know.

Memphis didn't play traditional offense with high pick&roll, whole offense was structured around "fake" screens, filling empty lines and running transition. Whole offensive philosophy was driving . Maybe because cutting with 2 Cs is hard? Probably.

Memphis led nba in drives with 59,3. That was 5 more than second team-OKC (54,5).

Magic were 7th lowest in drives - 43,3 a game.

But those things don't take in considiration pace, focus of offense, transition etc.

In reality, when you have somebody like Morant you will always have elite transition and lot of driving lines because he is faster with ball than about 99% of players without ball and impossible to defend 1 on 1 if he creates enough separation.

Just like Franz will always give you great driving numbers because he is leathal off ball, but developed to do anything but....

There are things that Bane will improve:
- roster overall, due fact he is very good player
- shooting , due fact he is good shooter that will get solid volume
- some simplistic creation and passing, well, not hard to do it compared to G. Harris and KCP

but there will also bit some problems with him:
- T rax arms and mediocre foot speed won't allow you to shift him on PGs nor SFs on defene
- he still won't be able to beat his man off the dribble due limited burst and foot speed
- ball security and ball and pace control, like Suggs, his handles don't really "hold" , because he isn't ball handler

Guy's Reddit nickname is Desmond T rex, guy has negative wingspan compared to height. Not biggest problem in the world, but noticable with ball security and switching on bigger players on D when he can't bother them that much.

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Thats what i have been writing about and he makes 52% of them which is great. KCP and Bane are totally different archetype. Its not only pg vs sg.

Those numbers don't tell you what you think they do tho.

Cole averages more drives than Bane 18,4 mpg = 7,4 drives is way more than 32 mpg and 10,5 a game. It's literally x100.
Driving is best thing Cole does. He was also team's best passer off drives.

KCP can't drive, guy has no handles...

As for context of driving. It's hard to really know.

Memphis didn't play traditional offense with high pick&roll, whole offense was structured around "fake" screens, filling empty lines and running transition. Whole offensive philosophy was driving . Maybe because cutting with 2 Cs is hard? Probably.

Memphis led nba in drives with 59,3. That was 5 more than second team-OKC (54,5).

Magic were 7th lowest in drives - 43,3 a game.

But those things don't take in considiration pace, focus of offense, transition etc.

In reality, when you have somebody like Morant you will always have elite transition and lot of driving lines because he is faster with ball than about 99% of players without ball and impossible to defend 1 on 1 if he creates enough separation.

Just like Franz will always give you great driving numbers because he is leathal off ball, but developed to do anything but....

There are things that Bane will improve:
- roster overall, due fact he is very good player
- shooting , due fact he is good shooter that will get solid volume
- some simplistic creation and passing, well, not hard to do it compared to G. Harris and KCP

but there will also bit some problems with him:
- T rax arms and mediocre foot speed won't allow you to shift him on PGs nor SFs on defene
- he still won't be able to beat his man off the dribble due limited burst and foot speed
- ball security and ball and pace control, like Suggs, his handles don't really "hold" , because he isn't ball handler

Guy's Reddit nickname is Desmond T rex, guy has negative wingspan compared to height. Not biggest problem in the world, but noticable with ball security and switching on bigger players on D when he can't bother them that much.

Classic Pepe bucket of cold water!!!!!

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Thats what i have been writing about and he makes 52% of them which is great. KCP and Bane are totally different archetype. Its not only pg vs sg.

Those numbers don't tell you what you think they do tho.

Cole averages more drives than Bane 18,4 mpg = 7,4 drives is way more than 32 mpg and 10,5 a game. It's literally x100.
Driving is best thing Cole does. He was also team's best passer off drives.

KCP can't drive, guy has no handles...

As for context of driving. It's hard to really know.

Memphis didn't play traditional offense with high pick&roll, whole offense was structured around "fake" screens, filling empty lines and running transition. Whole offensive philosophy was driving . Maybe because cutting with 2 Cs is hard? Probably.

Memphis led nba in drives with 59,3. That was 5 more than second team-OKC (54,5).

Magic were 7th lowest in drives - 43,3 a game.

But those things don't take in considiration pace, focus of offense, transition etc.

In reality, when you have somebody like Morant you will always have elite transition and lot of driving lines because he is faster with ball than about 99% of players without ball and impossible to defend 1 on 1 if he creates enough separation.

Just like Franz will always give you great driving numbers because he is leathal off ball, but developed to do anything but....

There are things that Bane will improve:
- roster overall, due fact he is very good player
- shooting , due fact he is good shooter that will get solid volume
- some simplistic creation and passing, well, not hard to do it compared to G. Harris and KCP

but there will also bit some problems with him:
- T rax arms and mediocre foot speed won't allow you to shift him on PGs nor SFs on defene
- he still won't be able to beat his man off the dribble due limited burst and foot speed
- ball security and ball and pace control, like Suggs, his handles don't really "hold" , because he isn't ball handler

Guy's Reddit nickname is Desmond T rex, guy has negative wingspan compared to height. Not biggest problem in the world, but noticable with ball security and switching on bigger players on D when he can't bother them that much.

You keep citing the Memphis offense being weird compared to the rest of the NBA, and while that is accurate, it should also be noted just for the record they only ran that offense this past season when they fired all of Jenkins’ assistants and brought on a whole new staff around him that installed this new gimmick.

And this past season was probably Bane’s “worst” of the last four. I use worst in quotations because it was still pretty similar to the previous three.

He was still very effective, and arguably more so, in a more traditional offense which the Grizzlies were running the three years prior to this year.

[Audi]

Guy grabbed an average of 6 boards and wasn’t a negative defender - if that’s the downside of trex arms… I think we’ll be fine.

[Skybox]

Guy grabbed an average of 6 boards and wasn’t a negative defender - if that’s the downside of trex arms… I think we’ll be fine.

Yep...that's about 2x KCP...we'll be fine with those comic book arms

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Nobody doubts Bane is a good player. He is. He has a refined skillset that Orlando needs.

He just isn’t going to be used the same way he was in Memphis though. That’s the argument and where some level of skepticism comes from.

Yes, he will do some things he did there. No he won’t have as much freedom here. Why? Because the system is still Paolo and Franz with the ball in their hands creating offense for themselves as a priority in the slowest offense possible.

Thats not really refutable based on last seasons numbers, unless you think the offense will be entirely different next season.

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Thats what i have been writing about and he makes 52% of them which is great. KCP and Bane are totally different archetype. Its not only pg vs sg.

Those numbers don't tell you what you think they do tho.

Cole averages more drives than Bane 18,4 mpg = 7,4 drives is way more than 32 mpg and 10,5 a game. It's literally x100.
Driving is best thing Cole does. He was also team's best passer off drives.

KCP can't drive, guy has no handles...

As for context of driving. It's hard to really know.

Memphis didn't play traditional offense with high pick&roll, whole offense was structured around "fake" screens, filling empty lines and running transition. Whole offensive philosophy was driving . Maybe because cutting with 2 Cs is hard? Probably.

Memphis led nba in drives with 59,3. That was 5 more than second team-OKC (54,5).

Magic were 7th lowest in drives - 43,3 a game.

But those things don't take in considiration pace, focus of offense, transition etc.

In reality, when you have somebody like Morant you will always have elite transition and lot of driving lines because he is faster with ball than about 99% of players without ball and impossible to defend 1 on 1 if he creates enough separation.

Just like Franz will always give you great driving numbers because he is leathal off ball, but developed to do anything but....

There are things that Bane will improve:
- roster overall, due fact he is very good player
- shooting , due fact he is good shooter that will get solid volume
- some simplistic creation and passing, well, not hard to do it compared to G. Harris and KCP

but there will also bit some problems with him:
- T rax arms and mediocre foot speed won't allow you to shift him on PGs nor SFs on defene
- he still won't be able to beat his man off the dribble due limited burst and foot speed
- ball security and ball and pace control, like Suggs, his handles don't really "hold" , because he isn't ball handler

Guy's Reddit nickname is Desmond T rex, guy has negative wingspan compared to height. Not biggest problem in the world, but noticable with ball security and switching on bigger players on D when he can't bother them that much.

Just wanna point out some corrections.

1.) One of his famous nicknames isn't Trex... its Three-Rex ( obvious reason why )
2.) Yeah.. he can't guard the traditional PGs unless they are Cade, Giddy, Luka type. Doesn't have the Suggs/AB/KCP speed
3.) SG and (majority) SF can be guarded by him. As MEM fans said.. those guys trying to blow by hi just cant muscle their way in. They bumped off.
4.) Yeah the reason he was soooo exposed this season with ball handling is because that MEM gimmicky offense where they have NO screen/pick and roll was so chaotic. Also, Ja as usual was out most of the time so Bane had to do it.

[RookieStar]

Nobody doubts Bane is a good player. He is. He has a refined skillset that Orlando needs.

He just isn’t going to be used the same way he was in Memphis though. That’s the argument and where some level of skepticism comes from.

Yes, he will do some things he did there. No he won’t have as much freedom here. Why? Because the system is still Paolo and Franz with the ball in their hands creating offense for themselves as a priority in the slowest offense possible.

Thats not really refutable based on last seasons numbers, unless you think the offense will be entirely different next season.

Yeah.. we def won't use him like in MEM. That gimmicky offense where they don't do screen/pick and roll fell apart once teams figured it out. Its Paolo/Franz thats gonna handle or set the offense majority of the time. All we ask of him is stick to his strengths like come off the screen and shoot.

[SOUL]

Just don't think it's a salient point because any player changing teams outside of an offensive hub #1 player who coaches will build systems around will have to play in a diff system. It's always going to be wait and see.

The point is that the way Bane has scored no matter the system, if Morant was injured or not, has been pretty consistent both on-ball and off-ball and has the playstyle that will allow him to slot basically in any pecking order and still be effective as a threat.

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Just don't think it's a salient point because any player changing teams outside of an offensive hub #1 player who coaches will build systems around will have to play in a diff system. It's always going to be wait and see.

The point is that the way Bane has scored no matter the system, if Morant was injured or not, has been pretty consistent both on-ball and off-ball and has the playstyle that will allow him to slot basically in any pecking order and still be effective as a threat.

So he’s been in two different systems. With and without Morant next to largely the same roster otherwise and with the same responsibilities/role. Wow so much variety…

And I respectfully disagree.

It’s not like this is the Nuggets and we have Jokic racking up 10 assists in an open system and it doesn’t matter who you plug into the SG spot as long as they aren’t the worst shooter in the league…

It’s not like this is the Warriors and you can add a random Small Forward next to Draymond/Curry and it all works regardless of whoever else you plug into there.

It’s not like this is OKC and you can add random bigs next to SGA, Jwilliams, and Dort and get the same offense regardless.

There are a lot of examples where you have known commodities already established in a successful system on offense. You can plug players with specific skillsets into those situations and the results won’t vary dramatically because they have a foundational system built into their current roster.

Orlando doesn’t have an established successful system. There is a level of risk to this move and that’s fine. I just want people to be honest about it. People are acting like this will be a seamless solution to what we have seen. We can call this move necessary, but it is by no means any of those examples I just listed because the system now relies on Bane for it to work at all.

[Audi]

Orlando doesn’t have an established successful system. There is a level of risk to this move and that’s fine. I just want people to be honest about it. People are acting like this will be a seamless solution to what we have seen.

Seems largely due to the fact that no system relying on Paolo and Franz as top 2 options can get successfully established without proper spacing from the jump. In that regard, a shooter of Bane’s caliber is a seamless solution (albeit one of many).

[Knightro]

I don’t worry a ton about “system” arguments when we’re taking about players who have shown they can score at all three levels without having to have every single attempt spoonfed to them.

Role players benefit from/are hindered by systems. Guys who are better than role players, it’s just less important IMO.

[Idiosyncratic]

Bane was 21-7-6 on 48/39/87 without Morant this year, 23/4/5 on 46/38/87 last year. If his shooting goes down the Magic are just cursed.

I don't think they were ever going to get someone that changed the system, if they are terrible offensively next year big changes could be made, but they want to try to make this iteration of the team work and Bane makes a ton of sense for that. None of the options available were going to change the system outside of maybe Garland who they were probably not getting for a rebuild package.

I don't think people being skeptical of this offense not working have a bad take at all, but I have always felt they are going to try their hardest to make it work. Just have to see. If they fail I am sure coaching change will be on the table and the option of swapping Suggs (or Bane I guess or heck maybe even Franz/Paolo?) for a PG.

[bigdogdylan5]

I am on my 8th grizzlies game from all across the season that I am watching and there damn offense is weird as stated above. The thought I keep coming back to is this system just doesn’t seem to fit Bane. There is no drive collapse the defense and kickouts. JJJ might be biggest sink hole I have ever watched. He does make a lot of shots but when he gets the ball it’s going up no matter what. Pippen is similar in that way where he looks to attack but when he is walled throws a lazy pass out and it gets picked off half the time. Outside of Morant kind of and Bane with their big ball handlers there is very little ball movement.

So I say all this today I think Bane was incredibly underutilized this year. While he can handle it is weaker talent then his shooting or his passing and they seemed to try to lean into his weakness. There will be these crazy stretches where there is no attempt to get him 3s with off ball screens. Like he should be shooting 8-9 3s a game not 6.

[Knightro]

I am on my 8th grizzlies game from all across the season that I am watching and there damn offense is weird as stated above. The thought I keep coming back to is this system just doesn’t seem to fit Bane. There is no drive collapse the defense and kickouts. JJJ might be biggest sink hole I have ever watched. He does make a lot of shots but when he gets the ball it’s going up no matter what. Pippen is similar in that way where he looks to attack but when he is walled throws a lazy pass out and it gets picked off half the time. Outside of Morant kind of and Bane with their big ball handlers there is very little ball movement.

So I say all this today I think Bane was incredibly underutilized this year. While he can handle it is weaker talent then his shooting or his passing and they seemed to try to lean into his weakness. There will be these crazy stretches where there is no attempt to get him 3s with off ball screens. Like he should be shooting 8-9 3s a game not 6.

You’re better off watching from before this most recent season.

Bane and Morant allegedly disliked the offensive system that Memphis installed this past year for whatever that’s worth.