2025 General Draft Discussion 2

[JustBuzzin]

who is going to come here? tell me! we are the Pittsburgh Pirates of basketball.

Quality FAs.

It sounds like you have no hope for this franchise. Why even cheer for the team?

What is your actual plan keep losing adding rookies to our losing core every season?

Name the quality fa that will come. name 1. humor me. Why cheer for the team because it's the closest thing I have to a hometown team, and I grew up on 90s NBA Jam Hornets awesomeness and would love to have that back. I'll tell you one thing, a lot of what we are dealing with could have been avoided if hit on draft picks. Like last year, we 100% should have drafted Clingan and never looked back. What do we do, though? Draft a player more raw than slaughtered deer baby meat. We wouldn't be having Mark conversations right now if we had clingan. We'd be looking at him going into his season as the future and be focused on moving off mark. I actually like your Houston trade ideas with Lamelo, so yeah, we should do that. The last thing we should do is draft Maluach, Ace, or Kon. We should go with Tre and slide him next to Miller so we get some offense. The only way we can build is through the draft. Look at the last quality free agents that came here. Batum and Hayward. How did that work out? We always have to settle for tier 3 guys. I just want to have nice things for once. We all should want nice things.

We have got quality FAs before. David Wesley/Al Jefferson/Hayward

It's about having the right core when you sign those FA's. If we believe LaMelo/Miller is a winning core then we should have no problem signing quality FAs. If you don't believe that then that's when you consider trading for impact players as that's the only way we can get talent.

Our draft history scares me and I don't believe anyone we draft at #4 is going to have a major impact in changing our franchise around. The best we can hope for is they take the BPA and somehow we continue to improve as a team.

I'm just ready to make a move for a game changer man. I want playoffs sooner than later. I'm tired of being the laughing stock of the NBA. We have been irrelevant for long enough.

[JustBuzzin]

Can we move the Kevin Durant discussion to the fake trade thread, offseason or the general NBA thread.

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No more KD talk boss you got it.

[GiggitySmalls]

Quality FAs.

It sounds like you have no hope for this franchise. Why even cheer for the team?

What is your actual plan keep losing adding rookies to our losing core every season?

Name the quality fa that will come. name 1. humor me. Why cheer for the team because it's the closest thing I have to a hometown team, and I grew up on 90s NBA Jam Hornets awesomeness and would love to have that back. I'll tell you one thing, a lot of what we are dealing with could have been avoided if hit on draft picks. Like last year, we 100% should have drafted Clingan and never looked back. What do we do, though? Draft a player more raw than slaughtered deer baby meat. We wouldn't be having Mark conversations right now if we had clingan. We'd be looking at him going into his season as the future and be focused on moving off mark. I actually like your Houston trade ideas with Lamelo, so yeah, we should do that. The last thing we should do is draft Maluach, Ace, or Kon. We should go with Tre and slide him next to Miller so we get some offense. The only way we can build is through the draft. Look at the last quality free agents that came here. Batum and Hayward. How did that work out? We always have to settle for tier 3 guys. I just want to have nice things for once. We all should want nice things.

We have got quality FAs before. David Wesley/Al Jefferson/Hayward

It's about having the right core when you sign those FA's. If we believe LaMelo/Miller is a winning core then we should have no problem signing quality FAs. If you don't believe that then that's when you consider trading for impact players as that's the only way we can get talent.

Our draft history scares me and I don't believe anyone we draft at #4 is going to have a major impact in changing our franchise around. The best we can hope for is they take the BPA and somehow we continue to improve as a team.

I'm just ready to make a move for a game changer man. I want playoffs sooner than later. I'm tired of being the laughing stock of the NBA. We have been irrelevant for long enough.

I feel you, dude. I really do. We both want the same thing. That's a relevant team in Charlotte. I think we are all overcomplicating the situation we are in as a franchise because all of our front offices have done us so dirty for decades and enough is enough.

[JustBuzzin]

Name the quality fa that will come. name 1. humor me. Why cheer for the team because it's the closest thing I have to a hometown team, and I grew up on 90s NBA Jam Hornets awesomeness and would love to have that back. I'll tell you one thing, a lot of what we are dealing with could have been avoided if hit on draft picks. Like last year, we 100% should have drafted Clingan and never looked back. What do we do, though? Draft a player more raw than slaughtered deer baby meat. We wouldn't be having Mark conversations right now if we had clingan. We'd be looking at him going into his season as the future and be focused on moving off mark. I actually like your Houston trade ideas with Lamelo, so yeah, we should do that. The last thing we should do is draft Maluach, Ace, or Kon. We should go with Tre and slide him next to Miller so we get some offense. The only way we can build is through the draft. Look at the last quality free agents that came here. Batum and Hayward. How did that work out? We always have to settle for tier 3 guys. I just want to have nice things for once. We all should want nice things.

We have got quality FAs before. David Wesley/Al Jefferson/Hayward

It's about having the right core when you sign those FA's. If we believe LaMelo/Miller is a winning core then we should have no problem signing quality FAs. If you don't believe that then that's when you consider trading for impact players as that's the only way we can get talent.

Our draft history scares me and I don't believe anyone we draft at #4 is going to have a major impact in changing our franchise around. The best we can hope for is they take the BPA and somehow we continue to improve as a team.

I'm just ready to make a move for a game changer man. I want playoffs sooner than later. I'm tired of being the laughing stock of the NBA. We have been irrelevant for long enough.

I feel you, dude. I really do. We both want the same thing. That's a relevant team in Charlotte. I think we are all overcomplicating the situation we are in as a franchise because all of our front offices have done us so dirty for decades and enough is enough.

We agree on that.

[GiggitySmalls]

We have got quality FAs before. David Wesley/Al Jefferson/Hayward

It's about having the right core when you sign those FA's. If we believe LaMelo/Miller is a winning core then we should have no problem signing quality FAs. If you don't believe that then that's when you consider trading for impact players as that's the only way we can get talent.

Our draft history scares me and I don't believe anyone we draft at #4 is going to have a major impact in changing our franchise around. The best we can hope for is they take the BPA and somehow we continue to improve as a team.

I'm just ready to make a move for a game changer man. I want playoffs sooner than later. I'm tired of being the laughing stock of the NBA. We have been irrelevant for long enough.

I feel you, dude. I really do. We both want the same thing. That's a relevant team in Charlotte. I think we are all overcomplicating the situation we are in as a franchise because all of our front offices have done us so dirty for decades and enough is enough.

We agree on that.

[GiggitySmalls]

Jb, how do you feel about Tre Johnson?

[JustBuzzin]

Jb, how do you feel about Tre Johnson?

Tre is fine, but we will get torched on defense with LaMelo/Tre/Miller trio. None of those guys are defending.

It's why I like Ace/VJ because they at least try to play some defense.

Right now for me it's Ace/VJ or trade back and get another established starter from another team. Would be nice if we can get Herb Jones/#7 pick for #4/filler

[GiggitySmalls]

Jb, how do you feel about Tre Johnson?

Tre is fine, but we will get torched on defense with LaMelo/Tre/Miller trio. None of those guys are defending.

It's why I like Ace/VJ because they at least try to play some defense.

Right now for me it's Ace/VJ or trade back and get another established starter from another team. Would be nice if we can get Herb Jones/#7 pick for #4/filler

I want VJ, but just don't see Philly passing on him. So I gotta find a new favorite. I can't talk myself into Ace, and Kon simply isn't top 4 pick material. at least the offense would be fire with Tre. we would have a lot of options.

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[LofJ]

It will be funny if after all the Ace discussion VJ ends up going 3rd and we take Tre Johnson at 4 with no trades happening. I'd honestly be somewhat relieved.

[JustBuzzin]

My opinion hasn't changed.

Ace is exactly what we need a potential 2 way wing who at least tries to play defense. His offensive bag is underrated this guy has a jump hook from the mid post. Sure he has similarities to Miller, but he can do much more from the mid post.

This isn't even a debate in my mind im taking Ace if he's on the board.

[Bassman]

Per ESPN’s final mock which they include league source info in constructing, they have VJ 3rd and Kon going to CLT. Then Tre 5th to Utah.

I mention this because Hornets will have a monumental choice to make here between Ace, VJ, Kon and Tre, one of whom will go third. Any selection at 4 OUTSIDE OF THOSE PLAYERS, with no trades involved, is absolutely nuts. It should get Peterson fired. No Tiddy repeat allowed.

[EmpireFalls]

Kon is so underwhelming. I would be so pissed off

[MasterIchiro]

Kon is so underwhelming. I would be so pissed off

What?

He might really stand out in Gleague games. He could be a force with the Swarm even better than Salaün in Greensboro and you just want to throw that all away on account that he'd be no better than Doug McDermott eventually as a pro?

[GiggitySmalls]

Kon is so underwhelming. I would be so pissed off

I don't understand why Kon is projected to be higher in most mocks than Tre Johnson. Tre has far more strengths than Kon, while having much higher potential. Kon is this year's Reed Sheppard

[Bassman]

We all would take Harper if somehow he fell. Since he won’t my “top 8 board” as of today:

Tre
VJ
Kon
Ace
Fears
Jakucionis
Maluach
Bryant

If Sixers surprise and take Tre, I’d be happy with VJ but still have temptation lingering relative to Kon and Ace. I still think Kon will be a solid starter, helping a good team be really good with his combo skills while giving “decent” defense. Ace is the wildest swing, a real teaser of potential star power, coupled with plenty of warning flags. His fit here isn’t the best so I’d leave him to bother team.

[amcoolio]

Kon is so underwhelming. I would be so pissed off

I don't understand why Kon is projected to be higher in most mocks than Tre Johnson. Tre has far more strengths than Kon, while having much higher potential. Kon is this year's Reed Sheppard

Reed Sheppard has ridiculous range and a handle, and active hands on the perimeter, there's a path. I don't really see a path for Kon to be a star, he would have to get to Franz Wagner's level of passing and scoring and does anyone really see that. Like really.

Kon might be a fine player in a vacuum but this team has such a talent deficiency we shouldn't be passing up players with obvious star skills at the #4 pick in the draft. Especially when the team knows they are far away from competing as they try to trade their rookie contract center to select someone that might better fit Lee's scheme. I mean the team played 4-6 G-league players at the end of the year. Like seriously

If we take Kon then there better be multiple trades lined up to actually field a NBA team. If they try to run it back with just Kon and hope they stay healthy then why should any of us watch?

[Bassman]

I think the notion that Kon is only suited to an established team of vets/stars is not a fair take.

If you’re a team with a bunch of nobodies, choosing Kon and expecting him to carry the squad is a big mistake. The Hornets are certainly lacking, but it’s also a team filled with injured players. At SOME point, these players must surely stay healthy. If not it doesn’t matter who we choose, the team will suck again. So, while I would likely choose Tre at #4, Kon playing with a healthy Melo, Miller, Miles and Mark (or HIS replacement) can really help this team. He has the most complete game of those 4, with obvious concerns how his average athleticism will translate. VJ may be able to really help them also, but I’m not convinced his offensive game will be nearly as good as it needs to be. Tre’s game will translate best to the NBA…just hope he can be coached up on defense, as he was pretty bad at times. Also remember, Tre had a number of very poor shooting games. As well as he shoots, he was inconsistent per game logs.

It’s not a slam dunk choice. That’s why a major compelling trade back offer would need to be considered.

[GiggitySmalls]

I think the notion that Kon is only suited to an established team of vets/stars is not a fair take.

If you’re a team with a bunch of nobodies, choosing Kon and expecting him to carry the squad is a big mistake. The Hornets are certainly lacking, but it’s also a team filled with injured players. At SOME point, these players must surely stay healthy. If not it doesn’t matter who we choose, the team will suck again. So, while I would likely choose Tre at #4, Kon playing with a healthy Melo, Miller, Miles and Mark (or HIS replacement) can really help this team. He has the most complete game of those 4, with obvious concerns how his average athleticism will translate. VJ may be able to really help them also, but I’m not convinced his offensive game will be nearly as good as it needs to be. Tre’s game will translate best to the NBA…just hope he can be coached up on defense, as he was pretty bad at times. Also remember, Tre had a number of very poor shooting games. As well as he shoots, he was inconsistent per game logs.

It’s not a slam dunk choice. That’s why a major compelling trade back offer would need to be considered.

Yeah, to me, Kon is more of a back end of the lottery late teens type of pick. He can plug and play a weakness of a fringe playoff team and help out that way. What he isn't is a top 5 talent at all. He is better than salmon as a prospect who is realistically a late 30s to 40s type talent who we picked 6th.

[JustBuzzin]

Please don't draft Kon. Please Mr. Peterson don't do it!