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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#841 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:47 pm

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sunsbg wrote:Just take TOR deal and tell **** you everybody - KD and those other teams. #9 is a Suns lucky draft number, maybe they find a gem there.


A team isn’t trading for a player who doesn’t want be there. It’s different league now with the players in control because they can threaten to be a malcontent.


The Raptors do understand the situation and that it's likely a one year rental but are committed to it anyways because of what happened with Kwahi still paid off for them in a championship!

So KF doesn't really need to agree/ commit there and they'll take the run for a season and then either him expire or look to flip him at the deadline. Minnesota is mulling it over too because the cap reduction at 54 million is no small deal for them or Minnesota. :wink:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#842 » by ChuckS » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:01 pm

Puff wrote:I would be having a come to Jesus discussion with KD's business partner.

Listen, if you want a 2 - year extension and want out of here you need to have your team of choice up their offers.

Otherwise, you are going nowhere, and you can take the risk of injury which is always in the equation with you. Next year could be you last year in the NBA. Basically, we need to stop being Mr Nice Guy with KD. That is what is apparently happening. He doesn't want to have a lot of good assets removed from his new team and he in fact is creating his own NTC without it being in writing. He was fine to come to Phoenix while we gave away our present and future. Return the favor.


I don't know how things work in the "Land of Hanna Lee", but he would be stupid to sign an extension, lose all leverage, and wind up in another situation like this. He came to the Suns knowing they would be better with him instead of Mikal and Cam. He's always sought out a good point guard which helps most bigs. I doubt he expected that subsequent to his signing the team would have no point guards, particularly CP3, another center, or any decent big, or a foundation, worth a crap.

The team has the ultimate right to trade him anywhere. But he has the right to "not go gentle into that good night". I'm sure every team knows he will attempt to play the same as ever, even if he does not now want to go there. But many, if probably not all, will respect his age and years of greatness, as did GSW last year. In a worst case scenario, he will still have his $55 mil until age 39. I doubt he will ever want to be mediocre, and he really doesn't have to worry about money after that. If he remains anywhere as good as this year a contending team might even choose to keep him at that salary.

I personally believe that every trade proposal I've seen will make us worse (particularly when we are considering trading our few other good players). But Ishbia ultimately is paying the bills, and has every right to do what he thinks best.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#843 » by Saberestar » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:22 pm

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BobbieL wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Sam Amick:




Keeping Durant would be stupid so I would expect him to keep Durant and trade multiple picks with Beal to move that contract



It's only stupid if KD doesn't want to stay any longer.

But if KD is OK in extending and staying the it's not a bad option if other teams are offering scraps. You atleast know KD will play 35 minutes, score 27 and sell seats.... he's also likely to make All Star game.

No impact players like Vassell, Barnes, Jovic etc are all role players that are dime a dozen.


Again, if I was GM I would shop Booker and go for broke with KD and Beal trying for playoffs. Booker should bring in a haul because he is 28.

We can’t accept ridiculous lowball offers.

It would be crazy to accept it.

We are working together. Rich Kleiman, KD, our FO and the teams interested in KD.

It's easy for us to make him understand that the offers for him are a joke. KD is hearing everything. He gave us 3 favorite destinations so he didn't put us on a tough place with just only one favorite destination. Not his fault that those teams are offering **** and other teams about the same.

We can offer him the 2-year extension and he gets his max money and we can work on a trade again at the deadline or next summer.

And you never know...we probably play much better with him and Book under a new GM, HC and new role players.

Again...you can't accept TRASH offers like Vassell and Barnes (for example) for KD.
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Post#844 » by Frank Lee » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:25 pm

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Again! KD trying to power play his way to his preferred destination instead of equitably working with us just to get what he wants while we get a terrible outcome isn't and shouldn't even be a consideration from this point!

KD is NOT in control here! He doesn't have a NTC. KD already screwed us out if a 3 team trade that would gave had us get back Claxton and other good assets, he also screwed us out if a very solid Minnesota offer.

So unless the Houston offer gets significantly better including young players and the 10th pick, etc. Our front office needs to send a power play message back to all of the teams that lowballed us intentionally and take the Toronto offer with Barrett/ Quickly and the 9th pick!!!

This is easily the highest value of players being offered and the highest pick ( lotto being offered for KD) even without KD being willing to commit long term.

Ishbia and Gregory should take this Toronto offer, and tell KD to pack his bags for Toronto for not being willing to work WITH US!! And then give all of these other teams the finger on the way out. :wink:


I think its Houston . It has been Houston for 12 months and the deal will be
Green, Smith -- if not Smith - -substitute Londale and Cam Whitmore plus a pick for Durant

And Green will be flipped for a player that better fits - it all just makes too much sense


All may be true except nobody wants Green without a pick. Athletic Chuckers can be had for less than the $100 million tag he has. Not a good value at all. He’s long on potential, short on proof.

The casual ‘just flip Green’ part of this deal is a serious snag.

Furthermore,
I don’t see the gawdawful negotiating the front office is doing. Yall are conditioned to bttch so I get that… but if anything, having a valid Toronto offer is the only leverage vs Houston we have. They either want KD or not.

It’s really not the front office’s fault that the demand for KD doesn’t meet the hype train yall been riding for the past 2 months. And… it’s not the end of all things if we keep him and pick up this trade talk again in Dec.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#845 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:41 pm

Djedefre wrote:Wouldn't even consider Maluach at #9. Late first round, maybe


Yup.
Why not just trade for Bamba. Similar profiles, Bamba atleast is now a veteran.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#846 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:44 pm

I doubt Jalen Green doesn't have a market.

The issue is, other teams know Suns don't need him so they want Suns to add a pick out to send Green out.

Rockets most likely not even ringing around to trade Green for what the Suns want.

Rockets are absolutely being **** and I don't blame them. You don't get too many opportunities to take advantage of a team as bad as the Suns.

Suns absolutely shot their foot with what they did with trading the farm for KD and then trading more picks for Beal to form a really horrible mix.

This is all on Ishiba and other owners are just saying... too bad sucker.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#847 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:59 pm

Qwigglez wrote:If you are the Raptors, I think you still make the deal for KD even if he doesn't want to be there. They could make a deep playoff run with the East being wide open since Tatum has an injury. The other thing is now the Raptors have a ton of salary cap space for 2026 where they could be one of the few teams that can offer a max contract to any top tier free agents. Trae Young, Luka Doncic, Kyrie Irving, Jaren Jackson Jr, DeAaron Fox, Mikal Bridges, etc. This is also why I believe the Raptors don't mind taking a gamble on KD.

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Exactly this! This is why all those reports saying KD has all the leverage and the Suns don't is complete BS!!! Teams would still trade for him even as a rental because not only would they have his bird rights, and can pay him more than any other team in free agency.


And obviously KD isn't going to just leave money on the table for what could be his very last contract. But also, his 54 million expiring in a worst case scenario, still represents a massive cap reduction for teams up against the tax apron or even seeking cap flexibility. :wink:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#848 » by Puff » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:21 pm

I think I would just shut down all trade talks and bring KD back for the final year of his contract and let him walk next summer. He will be able to choose his best destination without us being saddled with another long term unwanted salary that we do not need. Then the following year do the same thing with Beal.

It appears that we will not be able to bring in any quality young players or draft picks to help turn our franchise around. If there were the draft picks and players that were suggested a couple of months ago I would have done the deal. As others have stated none of these reported offers from other teams really improve our present or future. We are clinging to hope that the 10th pick in the draft will fix our problems. What happens if that 10th pick is a bust and we are stuck with Jalen Green that no one wants?

We probably are better off just making good picks at 29 & 52 while keeping KD.

I am interested to see what Ott can do with this group with a few tweaks. I hope we hang on to Cody Martin and can somehow draft players and maybe pick up a player in free agency that play with the same passion as he and Colin Gillespie play.

Maimi is reportedly interested in Cody Martin. Maybe we can somehow include him in a 2nd deal that brings us Ware and another pick in addition to #20 this year.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#849 » by One_and_Done » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:26 pm

Puff wrote:I think I would just shut down all trade talks and bring KD back for the final year of his contract and let him walk next summer. He will be able to choose his best destination without us being saddled with another long term unwanted salary that we do not need. Then the following year do the same thing with Beal.

It appears that we will not be able to bring in any quality young players or draft picks to help turn our franchise around. If there were the draft picks and players that were suggested a couple of months ago I would have done the deal. As others have stated none of these reported offers from other teams really improve our present or future. We are clinging to hope that the 10th pick in the draft will fix our problems. What happens if that 10th pick is a bust and we are stuck with Jalen Green that no one wants?

We probably are better off just making good picks at 29 & 52 while keeping KD.

I am interested to see what Ott can do with this group with a few tweaks. I hope we hang on to Cody Martin and can somehow draft players and maybe pick up a player in free agency that play with the same passion as he and Colin Gillespie play.

Maimi is reportedly interested in Cody Martin. Maybe we can somehow include him in a 2nd deal that brings us Ware and another pick in addition to #20 this year.

You could always take Barnes, Vassell, and #14. No long term salary there.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#850 » by TeamTragic » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:31 pm

One_and_Done wrote:
Puff wrote:I think I would just shut down all trade talks and bring KD back for the final year of his contract and let him walk next summer. He will be able to choose his best destination without us being saddled with another long term unwanted salary that we do not need. Then the following year do the same thing with Beal.

It appears that we will not be able to bring in any quality young players or draft picks to help turn our franchise around. If there were the draft picks and players that were suggested a couple of months ago I would have done the deal. As others have stated none of these reported offers from other teams really improve our present or future. We are clinging to hope that the 10th pick in the draft will fix our problems. What happens if that 10th pick is a bust and we are stuck with Jalen Green that no one wants?

We probably are better off just making good picks at 29 & 52 while keeping KD.

I am interested to see what Ott can do with this group with a few tweaks. I hope we hang on to Cody Martin and can somehow draft players and maybe pick up a player in free agency that play with the same passion as he and Colin Gillespie play.

Maimi is reportedly interested in Cody Martin. Maybe we can somehow include him in a 2nd deal that brings us Ware and another pick in addition to #20 this year.

You could always take Barnes, Vassell, and #14. No long term salary there.


Rockets and Spurs are the worst offers. Not happening.
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Post#851 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:36 pm

One_and_Done wrote:
Puff wrote:I think I would just shut down all trade talks and bring KD back for the final year of his contract and let him walk next summer. He will be able to choose his best destination without us being saddled with another long term unwanted salary that we do not need. Then the following year do the same thing with Beal.

It appears that we will not be able to bring in any quality young players or draft picks to help turn our franchise around. If there were the draft picks and players that were suggested a couple of months ago I would have done the deal. As others have stated none of these reported offers from other teams really improve our present or future. We are clinging to hope that the 10th pick in the draft will fix our problems. What happens if that 10th pick is a bust and we are stuck with Jalen Green that no one wants?

We probably are better off just making good picks at 29 & 52 while keeping KD.

I am interested to see what Ott can do with this group with a few tweaks. I hope we hang on to Cody Martin and can somehow draft players and maybe pick up a player in free agency that play with the same passion as he and Colin Gillespie play.

Maimi is reportedly interested in Cody Martin. Maybe we can somehow include him in a 2nd deal that brings us Ware and another pick in addition to #20 this year.

You could always take Barnes, Vassell, and #14. No long term salary there.



The above offer is easily better than bringing back Durant and getting nothing for him next summer. Sign & trades are not as easy they used to be. And the trade deadline -- that would also be the worst time to trade him

The time to trade him was 12 months ago -but Dipshitbia had his thumb up his a**
The second best time to trade him was at the trade deadline but again, they were so focused on Butler they didn't have a plan B

The Suns have no choice but to accept the average trade offer - -and thats because of how poorly Ishbia has made moves.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#852 » by One_and_Done » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:36 pm

TeamTragic wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:
Puff wrote:I think I would just shut down all trade talks and bring KD back for the final year of his contract and let him walk next summer. He will be able to choose his best destination without us being saddled with another long term unwanted salary that we do not need. Then the following year do the same thing with Beal.

It appears that we will not be able to bring in any quality young players or draft picks to help turn our franchise around. If there were the draft picks and players that were suggested a couple of months ago I would have done the deal. As others have stated none of these reported offers from other teams really improve our present or future. We are clinging to hope that the 10th pick in the draft will fix our problems. What happens if that 10th pick is a bust and we are stuck with Jalen Green that no one wants?

We probably are better off just making good picks at 29 & 52 while keeping KD.

I am interested to see what Ott can do with this group with a few tweaks. I hope we hang on to Cody Martin and can somehow draft players and maybe pick up a player in free agency that play with the same passion as he and Colin Gillespie play.

Maimi is reportedly interested in Cody Martin. Maybe we can somehow include him in a 2nd deal that brings us Ware and another pick in addition to #20 this year.

You could always take Barnes, Vassell, and #14. No long term salary there.


Rockets and Spurs are the worst offers. Zero chance.

I don't believe most other offers exist, unless KD signs off on them. If the Toronto deal is there you should take it, but also if I owned the Raptors I'd fire Masai for trying to make that deal for a 37 yr old KD. It would be the final nail in the coffin Masai has built over the past 3+ years. He's been an incredibly short sighted and foolish GM lately, but I really wonder if he could be this dumb.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#853 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:37 pm

TeamTragic wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:
Puff wrote:I think I would just shut down all trade talks and bring KD back for the final year of his contract and let him walk next summer. He will be able to choose his best destination without us being saddled with another long term unwanted salary that we do not need. Then the following year do the same thing with Beal.

It appears that we will not be able to bring in any quality young players or draft picks to help turn our franchise around. If there were the draft picks and players that were suggested a couple of months ago I would have done the deal. As others have stated none of these reported offers from other teams really improve our present or future. We are clinging to hope that the 10th pick in the draft will fix our problems. What happens if that 10th pick is a bust and we are stuck with Jalen Green that no one wants?

We probably are better off just making good picks at 29 & 52 while keeping KD.

I am interested to see what Ott can do with this group with a few tweaks. I hope we hang on to Cody Martin and can somehow draft players and maybe pick up a player in free agency that play with the same passion as he and Colin Gillespie play.

Maimi is reportedly interested in Cody Martin. Maybe we can somehow include him in a 2nd deal that brings us Ware and another pick in addition to #20 this year.

You could always take Barnes, Vassell, and #14. No long term salary there.


Rockets and Spurs are the worst offers. Not happening.


And what is your source for their actual offers. Nobody knows. NOBODY! Not Gambo, not Siegel, not Stein, not Flex, not DCOldest, nobody does.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#854 » by TeamTragic » Sat Jun 21, 2025 10:39 pm

BobbieL wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:You could always take Barnes, Vassell, and #14. No long term salary there.


Rockets and Spurs are the worst offers. Not happening.


And what is your source for their actual offers. Nobody knows. NOBODY! Not Gambo, not Siegel, not Stein, not Flex, not DCOldest, nobody does.


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#855 » by Sunsdeuce » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:44 am

According to a report by Marc Stein and Jake Fischer of The Stein Line in their latest round of pre-draft news from around the NBA, the Heat are also interested in potentially acquiring six-year veteran Cody Martin, likely in a part of any Durant trade package but also potentially on his own. The Heat are among “several” teams interested in the 29-year-old forward, thought to be available on a disjointed Suns team who will sell off anything they can for value.

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/115374/

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Post#856 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:47 am

One_and_Done wrote:
Puff wrote:I think I would just shut down all trade talks and bring KD back for the final year of his contract and let him walk next summer. He will be able to choose his best destination without us being saddled with another long term unwanted salary that we do not need. Then the following year do the same thing with Beal.

It appears that we will not be able to bring in any quality young players or draft picks to help turn our franchise around. If there were the draft picks and players that were suggested a couple of months ago I would have done the deal. As others have stated none of these reported offers from other teams really improve our present or future. We are clinging to hope that the 10th pick in the draft will fix our problems. What happens if that 10th pick is a bust and we are stuck with Jalen Green that no one wants?

We probably are better off just making good picks at 29 & 52 while keeping KD.

I am interested to see what Ott can do with this group with a few tweaks. I hope we hang on to Cody Martin and can somehow draft players and maybe pick up a player in free agency that play with the same passion as he and Colin Gillespie play.

Maimi is reportedly interested in Cody Martin. Maybe we can somehow include him in a 2nd deal that brings us Ware and another pick in addition to #20 this year.

You could always take Barnes, Vassell, and #14. No long term salary there.

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#857 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:50 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:According to a report by Marc Stein and Jake Fischer of The Stein Line in their latest round of pre-draft news from around the NBA, the Heat are also interested in potentially acquiring six-year veteran Cody Martin, likely in a part of any Durant trade package but also potentially on his own. The Heat are among “several” teams interested in the 29-year-old forward, thought to be available on a disjointed Suns team who will sell off anything they can for value.

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/115374/

Ishbia is the NBAs village bicycle. Everyone gets a ride. Not only are the Heat going to get KD for nothing they are going to strip Ishbia of his remaining assets.


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#858 » by Mr Puddles » Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:27 am

TeamTragic wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Rockets and Spurs are the worst offers. Not happening.


And what is your source for their actual offers. Nobody knows. NOBODY! Not Gambo, not Siegel, not Stein, not Flex, not DCOldest, nobody does.


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#859 » by starbosa10 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:31 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:According to a report by Marc Stein and Jake Fischer of The Stein Line in their latest round of pre-draft news from around the NBA, the Heat are also interested in potentially acquiring six-year veteran Cody Martin, likely in a part of any Durant trade package but also potentially on his own. The Heat are among “several” teams interested in the 29-year-old forward, thought to be available on a disjointed Suns team who will sell off anything they can for value.

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/115374/

Ishbia is the NBAs village bicycle. Everyone gets a ride. Not only are the Heat going to get KD for nothing they are going to strip Ishbia of his remaining assets.


Tbf I'm pretty sure almost everyone here was fine with just getting rid of Martin on our own to get under the apron anyway
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#860 » by Mr Puddles » Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:31 am

TeamTragic wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Rockets and Spurs are the worst offers. Not happening.


And what is your source for their actual offers. Nobody knows. NOBODY! Not Gambo, not Siegel, not Stein, not Flex, not DCOldest, nobody does.


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