Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread pt. 2 (update: poll added 6/18/25)

[mpharris36]

It didnt feel like our offense was the problem in that series. We couldnt get stops when we needed em. And I dont know if any coach is going to fix that issue.

Doesn't mean that a new coach cant utilize the bench better and implement a more diverse offense and keep kat outta drop coverage. But we have 2 big liabilities on defense and thats going to be hard for any coach to mask.

Its interesting because the metrics don't back that up.

In 23/24 playoffs we were a much better offense. Finished #2 in teams in playoffs offensive rating but #15 in defensive rating.

This past year we were #7 in the playoffs in offensive rating and #9 in the playoffs in defensive rating.

All I can think of is Divo was an all or nothing improvement to the offense but was terrible defensively and Ihart helped us on the offensive glass a lot.

But still no excuse to drop from #2 to #7 with all the added offensive talent.

It was all the offensive rebounding, which I don’t know how sustainable it was. Our offense definitely has room for improvement, and that would make our defense better just by making it less likely to allow fast breaks.

Another weird tweak our guys fall too much on drives. That is like a recipe for a 4 on 5.

I don't know if that was taught to them because the entire team does it and we stayed healthy. Maybe that's coming from the medical staff but once I see KAT or Brunson or OG go to ground on a make or miss I feel like it's auto bucket on the other end.

[Guano]

My uninvited 2 cents, I liked the idea of sacking Thibs, the offense became to predictable for Pacers to defend.

I say don't worry about a big name replacement, find the next great coach like Cavs did Atkinson.

It didnt feel like our offense was the problem in that series. We couldnt get stops when we needed em. And I dont know if any coach is going to fix that issue.

Doesn't mean that a new coach cant utilize the bench better and implement a more diverse offense and keep kat outta drop coverage. But we have 2 big liabilities on defense and thats going to be hard for any coach to mask.

Its interesting because the metrics don't back that up.

In 23/24 playoffs we were a much better offense. Finished #2 in teams in playoffs offensive rating but #15 in defensive rating.

This past year we were #7 in the playoffs in offensive rating and #9 in the playoffs in defensive rating.

All I can think of is Divo was an all or nothing improvement to the offense but was terrible defensively and Ihart helped us on the offensive glass a lot.

But still no excuse to drop from #2 to #7 with all the added offensive talent.

Maybe second chance points cause our offensive rebounding was better and also we got stops leading to us get out to run which created easier baskets?

Idk, it just really felt like we couldnt get vital stops when we needed em against the pacers. Or that they would get out and run even on made baskets.

last year against "good" teams we had a hard time getting quality looks and gave up a lot of clean looks. So both probably need improvement.

Either way we have a team more geared for offense so it's prolly best to hire a coach who will maximize that strength.

[Guano]

It didnt feel like our offense was the problem in that series. We couldnt get stops when we needed em. And I dont know if any coach is going to fix that issue.

Doesn't mean that a new coach cant utilize the bench better and implement a more diverse offense and keep kat outta drop coverage. But we have 2 big liabilities on defense and thats going to be hard for any coach to mask.

Its interesting because the metrics don't back that up.

In 23/24 playoffs we were a much better offense. Finished #2 in teams in playoffs offensive rating but #15 in defensive rating.

This past year we were #7 in the playoffs in offensive rating and #9 in the playoffs in defensive rating.

All I can think of is Divo was an all or nothing improvement to the offense but was terrible defensively and Ihart helped us on the offensive glass a lot.

But still no excuse to drop from #2 to #7 with all the added offensive talent.

It was all the offensive rebounding, which I don’t know how sustainable it was. Our offense definitely has room for improvement, and that would make our defense better just by making it less likely to allow fast breaks.

Agree with this... although those mf'ers were getting fast break points off our made shots. I've never seen such devilry before. I couldnt even hit submit on an excited post about us scoring before the pacers had made a basket.

[Fury]

Its interesting because the metrics don't back that up.

In 23/24 playoffs we were a much better offense. Finished #2 in teams in playoffs offensive rating but #15 in defensive rating.

This past year we were #7 in the playoffs in offensive rating and #9 in the playoffs in defensive rating.

All I can think of is Divo was an all or nothing improvement to the offense but was terrible defensively and Ihart helped us on the offensive glass a lot.

But still no excuse to drop from #2 to #7 with all the added offensive talent.

It was all the offensive rebounding, which I don’t know how sustainable it was. Our offense definitely has room for improvement, and that would make our defense better just by making it less likely to allow fast breaks.

Agree with this... although those mf'ers were getting fast break points off our made shots. I've never seen such devilry before. I couldnt even hit submit on an excited post about us scoring before the pacers had made a basket.

Yeah the Pacers are the exception to that cause it’s some f ucking bulls hit.

[mpharris36]

It didnt feel like our offense was the problem in that series. We couldnt get stops when we needed em. And I dont know if any coach is going to fix that issue.

Doesn't mean that a new coach cant utilize the bench better and implement a more diverse offense and keep kat outta drop coverage. But we have 2 big liabilities on defense and thats going to be hard for any coach to mask.

Its interesting because the metrics don't back that up.

In 23/24 playoffs we were a much better offense. Finished #2 in teams in playoffs offensive rating but #15 in defensive rating.

This past year we were #7 in the playoffs in offensive rating and #9 in the playoffs in defensive rating.

All I can think of is Divo was an all or nothing improvement to the offense but was terrible defensively and Ihart helped us on the offensive glass a lot.

But still no excuse to drop from #2 to #7 with all the added offensive talent.

Maybe second chance points cause our offensive rebounding was better and also we got stops leading to us get out to run which created easier baskets?

Idk, it just really felt like we couldnt get vital stops when we needed em against the pacers. Or that they would get out and run even on made baskets.

last year against "good" teams we had a hard time getting quality looks and gave up a lot of clean looks. So both probably need improvement.

Either way we have a team more geared for offense so it's prolly best to hire a coach who will maximize that strength.

Probably right.

The only two games we won we held them to 100 and 94 pts. It just felt like we were never able to win a 125-120 game which I feel like out team was built to do.

As you said we have the offensive talent we need to maximize it. The offense is going to be middle of the pack no matter what we do.

[Guano]

It was all the offensive rebounding, which I don’t know how sustainable it was. Our offense definitely has room for improvement, and that would make our defense better just by making it less likely to allow fast breaks.

Agree with this... although those mf'ers were getting fast break points off our made shots. I've never seen such devilry before. I couldnt even hit submit on an excited post about us scoring before the pacers had made a basket.

Yeah the Pacers are the exception to that cause it’s some f ucking bulls hit.

To your point relying on offensive rebounds isnt a sustainable offensive strategy.

But i will say i love watching those games. Rooting for the bully was so much fun. Locking teams down on defense and then bludgeoning them on the offensive end with dogs felt like authentic knicks hoops.

Anyways, we dont have a squad to run that kind of team. I mean we still have mitch and jHart hell even kat is a good rebounder. But it just not the best use of our talents. We need to get kat more 3s so hopefully the new coach will utilize him to his skills more effectively.

[Guano]

Its interesting because the metrics don't back that up.

In 23/24 playoffs we were a much better offense. Finished #2 in teams in playoffs offensive rating but #15 in defensive rating.

This past year we were #7 in the playoffs in offensive rating and #9 in the playoffs in defensive rating.

All I can think of is Divo was an all or nothing improvement to the offense but was terrible defensively and Ihart helped us on the offensive glass a lot.

But still no excuse to drop from #2 to #7 with all the added offensive talent.

Maybe second chance points cause our offensive rebounding was better and also we got stops leading to us get out to run which created easier baskets?

Idk, it just really felt like we couldnt get vital stops when we needed em against the pacers. Or that they would get out and run even on made baskets.

last year against "good" teams we had a hard time getting quality looks and gave up a lot of clean looks. So both probably need improvement.

Either way we have a team more geared for offense so it's prolly best to hire a coach who will maximize that strength.

Probably right.

The only two games we won we held them to 100 and 94 pts. It just felt like we were never able to win a 125-120 game which I feel like out team was built to do.

As you said we have the offensive talent we need to maximize it. The offense is going to be middle of the pack no matter what we do.

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

[KnixinSix]

Watch on YouTube

Probably the best deep dive on Mike brown I've seen so far and it definitely makes me lean towards him as the hire.....

He just seems to fit better with this squad.

[Fury]

Maybe second chance points cause our offensive rebounding was better and also we got stops leading to us get out to run which created easier baskets?

Idk, it just really felt like we couldnt get vital stops when we needed em against the pacers. Or that they would get out and run even on made baskets.

last year against "good" teams we had a hard time getting quality looks and gave up a lot of clean looks. So both probably need improvement.

Either way we have a team more geared for offense so it's prolly best to hire a coach who will maximize that strength.

Probably right.

The only two games we won we held them to 100 and 94 pts. It just felt like we were never able to win a 125-120 game which I feel like out team was built to do.

As you said we have the offensive talent we need to maximize it. The offense is going to be middle of the pack no matter what we do.

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

The only time I felt we had the juice was Game 1. We looked like the better offensive and defensive team and we threw it all way.

[mpharris36]

Maybe second chance points cause our offensive rebounding was better and also we got stops leading to us get out to run which created easier baskets?

Idk, it just really felt like we couldnt get vital stops when we needed em against the pacers. Or that they would get out and run even on made baskets.

last year against "good" teams we had a hard time getting quality looks and gave up a lot of clean looks. So both probably need improvement.

Either way we have a team more geared for offense so it's prolly best to hire a coach who will maximize that strength.

Probably right.

The only two games we won we held them to 100 and 94 pts. It just felt like we were never able to win a 125-120 game which I feel like out team was built to do.

As you said we have the offensive talent we need to maximize it. The offense is going to be middle of the pack no matter what we do.

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

[Guano]

Probably right.

The only two games we won we held them to 100 and 94 pts. It just felt like we were never able to win a 125-120 game which I feel like out team was built to do.

As you said we have the offensive talent we need to maximize it. The offense is going to be middle of the pack no matter what we do.

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

so maybe finding a replacement for jHart in the starting lineup is just as important as getting a new coach, eh

[Guano]

Probably right.

The only two games we won we held them to 100 and 94 pts. It just felt like we were never able to win a 125-120 game which I feel like out team was built to do.

As you said we have the offensive talent we need to maximize it. The offense is going to be middle of the pack no matter what we do.

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

The only time I felt we had the juice was Game 1. We looked like the better offensive and defensive team and we threw it all way.

Man, I really hope that loss isnt the "moment" of this era.

[WaltFrazier]

Its interesting because the metrics don't back that up.

In 23/24 playoffs we were a much better offense. Finished #2 in teams in playoffs offensive rating but #15 in defensive rating.

This past year we were #7 in the playoffs in offensive rating and #9 in the playoffs in defensive rating.

All I can think of is Divo was an all or nothing improvement to the offense but was terrible defensively and Ihart helped us on the offensive glass a lot.

But still no excuse to drop from #2 to #7 with all the added offensive talent.

It was all the offensive rebounding, which I don’t know how sustainable it was. Our offense definitely has room for improvement, and that would make our defense better just by making it less likely to allow fast breaks.

Agree with this... although those mf'ers were getting fast break points off our made shots. I've never seen such devilry before. I couldnt even hit submit on an excited post about us scoring before the pacers had made a basket.

Small consolation but they're doing it to OKC as well. They push hard after makes, not always for a layup but for a good shot before the D is set

[KnixinSix]

Probably right.

The only two games we won we held them to 100 and 94 pts. It just felt like we were never able to win a 125-120 game which I feel like out team was built to do.

As you said we have the offensive talent we need to maximize it. The offense is going to be middle of the pack no matter what we do.

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

Mike Brown as I dig deeper on him really seems to be willing to think creatively to maximizes guys BOTH offensively and defensively. Some think he is an offensive mind only. It seems he is pretty good with defense too. Kings are much worse defensively than we are with Fox and Sabonis etc. He had them playing somewhat well defensively at times too.

He also typically starts things strong so that's a good indicator that we might have a good first year at minimum. I am firmly on the Brown wagon . If Kidd leads to Giannis then Ill take Kidd but Brown definitely over Jenkins at this point.

[Guano]

It was all the offensive rebounding, which I don’t know how sustainable it was. Our offense definitely has room for improvement, and that would make our defense better just by making it less likely to allow fast breaks.

Agree with this... although those mf'ers were getting fast break points off our made shots. I've never seen such devilry before. I couldnt even hit submit on an excited post about us scoring before the pacers had made a basket.

Small consolation but they're doing it to OKC as well. They push hard after makes, not always for a layup but for a good shot before the D is set

Which seems weird cause normally fastbreak teams get stifled in the playoffs yet here they are doing it to elite defensive team. Devilry.

[WaltFrazier]

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

Mike Brown as I dig deeper on him really seems to be willing to think creatively to maximizes guys BOTH offensively and defensively. Some think he is an offensive mind only. It seems he is pretty good with defense too. Kings are much worse defensively than we are with Fox and Sabonis etc. He had them playing somewhat well defensively at times too.

I think Fox is a better defender than JB

[KnixinSix]

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

Mike Brown as I dig deeper on him really seems to be willing to think creatively to maximizes guys BOTH offensively and defensively. Some think he is an offensive mind only. It seems he is pretty good with defense too. Kings are much worse defensively than we are with Fox and Sabonis etc. He had them playing somewhat well defensively at times too.

I think Fox is a better defender than JB

Perhaps but when you factor in our elite defenders OG Bridges McBride Robinson etc we have better defenders overall

[Jalen Bluntson]

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

so maybe finding a replacement for jHart in the starting lineup is just as important as getting a new coach, eh

No.

[mpharris36]

Unfortunately that series was probabaly were the disconnect between the roster and the coach was most glaring. Cause we definitely have the fire power to hang with any team. Yet it always felt like we had to work really hard to get buckets.

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

so maybe finding a replacement for jHart in the starting lineup is just as important as getting a new coach, eh

At least from reporting doesn't sound like the FO was thrilled thibs refused to adjust the starting lineup.

Not having any any deuce with the starters less Hart basically all year is pretty wild we never even attempted it.

[Guano]

Also probably didn't help we were seeing guys like obi and Ben Sheppard and Tony Bradley/Thomas Bryant contributing when all those guys are big time bench pieces but they are contributing to a team one win from a championship.

For example we started off the gang buster offensively nearly outpacing some of the most historic offenses. Then like Jan came around and teams made that one adjustment to put a wing on KAT and a big on Hart and our offense pretty much went to ****. We never tried anything different the rest of the year and it started to even be more pronounced in the playoffs.

The new coach being willing to experiment with new lineups and offensive strategy probably ultimately pushed them to this decision.

so maybe finding a replacement for jHart in the starting lineup is just as important as getting a new coach, eh

At least from reporting doesn't sound like the FO was thrilled thibs refused to adjust the starting lineup.

Not having any any deuce with the starters less Hart basically all year is pretty wild we never even attempted it.

It was concerning that both times we adjusted lineups was when we were desperate in the playoffs. Having different options on different circumstances seems like it would making adjustments a lil more seamless.

Though tbh, with how weak our bench was and how mitch was out for so long he didnt have a ton of options. No way to start shamet or cam. It was really on deuce that was an option. Which should habe been done some.