Brown to ATL, Jrue to Dallas, 3rd try

[Cricket23]

Dallas gives-
D. Gafford
K. Thompson
C. Martin

Dallas gets-
J. Holliday

Trade saves Dallas 8.2 mil and they get their guy without giving up important assets.

Atlanta gives-
Z. Risacher
O. Okongwu
T. Mann
V. Krejci
#13
2029 unprotected 1st

Atlanta gets-
J. Brown
D. Gafford (25.3 mil TPE)
C. Martin (13.1 mil TPE)
X. Tillman (3.5 mil TPE)
#28 from Boston

The Hawks look at the East and say our time is now. They bring the best player in the deal home and swap starting centers. They are still in a decent place financially, also letting Levert walk to be replaced by the cheaper Martin.

Boston gives-
J. Brown
J. Holiday
X. Tillman
#28

Boston gets-
Z. Risacher
O. Okongwu
T. Mann
K. Thompson
V. Krejci
#13 from Atlanta
2029 unprotected 1st from Atlanta

Boston saves 25.4 mil, gets a premium asset, two premium picks, a starting center, depth, and flexibility. The addition of the 2029 1st gives them a 1st in every year moving forward.

[Mavrelous]

Remove the 1sts from ATL, Risacher is similar value to Brown.

[Cricket23]

Remove the 1sts from ATL, Risacher is similar value to Brown.

You could be right, I'm not convinced of it.

[dms269]

I don't see a way Atlanta is able to afford all the contracts after this season. It is basically a 1 year trial before a sell off.

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[dans1230]

Boston is a championship contender when Tatum returns from injury, why would they trade away their 2nd best player for an uncertain future. They are not in a position where they need to lose Brown in order to get off the Holiday contract. no way the Celtics make this move.

[Cricket23]

Boston is a championship contender when Tatum returns from injury, why would they trade away their 2nd best player for an uncertain future. They are not in a position where they need to lose Brown in order to get off the Holiday contract. no way the Celtics make this move.

It's a fair concern. My thought is that they get a starting center which is a big concern, to go along with a player with high potential, but it's the hidden benefits which can make it a successful move. They would now have plenty of picks and tradable contracts, and the ability to aggregate, in order to go get another high impact player.

[brackdan70]

This is not near enough value for Brown imo.
I think Boston hard passes at this. If Brown does somehow end up on the trade block there will be better offers.
Boston doesn’t need to and shouldn’t go nuclear like this.

Edit: never mind. I didn’t see that 2029 unprotected first.
So it is probably close to appropriate value given the savings for Boston. Still feels light.
I still don’t think Boston goes this direction breaking a dollar into 4 quarters.

[Celts17Pride]

Boston is a championship contender when Tatum returns from injury, why would they trade away their 2nd best player for an uncertain future. They are not in a position where they need to lose Brown in order to get off the Holiday contract. no way the Celtics make this move.

Garbage trade for the Celtics. Brad Stevens made that trade he would be fired on the spot.

[brackdan70]

Boston is a championship contender when Tatum returns from injury, why would they trade away their 2nd best player for an uncertain future. They are not in a position where they need to lose Brown in order to get off the Holiday contract. no way the Celtics make this move.

Garbage trade for the Celtics. Brad Stevens made that trade he would be fired on the spot.

Agree. This puts them in rebuild mode. Not really the direction they plan to go imo.

[brackdan70]

Dallas gives-
D. Gafford
K. Thompson
C. Martin

Dallas gets-
J. Holliday

Trade saves Dallas 8.2 mil and they get their guy without giving up important assets.

Atlanta gives-
Z. Risacher
O. Okongwu
T. Mann
V. Krejci
#13
2029 unprotected 1st

Atlanta gets-
J. Brown
D. Gafford (25.3 mil TPE)
C. Martin (13.1 mil TPE)
X. Tillman (3.5 mil TPE)
#28 from Boston

The Hawks look at the East and say our time is now. They bring the best player in the deal home and swap starting centers. They are still in a decent place financially, also letting Levert walk to be replaced by the cheaper Martin.

Boston gives-
J. Brown
J. Holiday
X. Tillman
#28

Boston gets-
Z. Risacher
O. Okongwu
T. Mann
K. Thompson
V. Krejci
#13 from Atlanta
2029 unprotected 1st from Atlanta

Boston saves 25.4 mil, gets a premium asset, two premium picks, a starting center, depth, and flexibility. The addition of the 2029 1st gives them a 1st in every year moving forward.

From the Boston perspective are we calling Risacher the premium asset?

[Cricket23]

Dallas gives-
D. Gafford
K. Thompson
C. Martin

Dallas gets-
J. Holliday

Trade saves Dallas 8.2 mil and they get their guy without giving up important assets.

Atlanta gives-
Z. Risacher
O. Okongwu
T. Mann
V. Krejci
#13
2029 unprotected 1st

Atlanta gets-
J. Brown
D. Gafford (25.3 mil TPE)
C. Martin (13.1 mil TPE)
X. Tillman (3.5 mil TPE)
#28 from Boston

The Hawks look at the East and say our time is now. They bring the best player in the deal home and swap starting centers. They are still in a decent place financially, also letting Levert walk to be replaced by the cheaper Martin.

Boston gives-
J. Brown
J. Holiday
X. Tillman
#28

Boston gets-
Z. Risacher
O. Okongwu
T. Mann
K. Thompson
V. Krejci
#13 from Atlanta
2029 unprotected 1st from Atlanta

Boston saves 25.4 mil, gets a premium asset, two premium picks, a starting center, depth, and flexibility. The addition of the 2029 1st gives them a 1st in every year moving forward.

From the Boston perspective are we calling Risacher the premium asset?

Yes

[daoneandonly]

Gafford is an important asset and this trade doesn't take into account the money Dallas would be paying Uncle Jrue Sr the other years

[aguiar95]

From the DAL part, I have Klay + Martin = Jrue (cost-savings/friendlier contracts).

DAL should be owed more by the inclusion of Gaff

[Ball4life32]

Zero interest is Browns’s contract let alone giving close to this value for him. Absolutely not.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Boston is a championship contender when Tatum returns from injury, why would they trade away their 2nd best player for an uncertain future. They are not in a position where they need to lose Brown in order to get off the Holiday contract. no way the Celtics make this move.

Garbage trade for the Celtics. Brad Stevens made that trade he would be fired on the spot.

Agree. This puts them in rebuild mode. Not really the direction they plan to go imo.

Not saying this deal is a must do trade, but wouldn't Boston benefit more in the long run by "tanking" in '25-'26 since Tatum is going to be out most of the year? Particularly to save money this year.

[brackdan70]

Garbage trade for the Celtics. Brad Stevens made that trade he would be fired on the spot.

Agree. This puts them in rebuild mode. Not really the direction they plan to go imo.

Not saying this deal is a must do trade, but wouldn't Boston benefit more in the long run by "tanking" in '25-'26 since Tatum is going to be out most of the year? Particularly to save money this year.

The problem is they are to good even without Tatum to tank. Unless they trade White and Brown…and they don’t have a team around Tatum so what’s the point. They basically give up and try to reset and rebuild. I don’t think it makes any sense to go down that path. To me you have Tatum, Brown and White under contract for 4 years. That’s your window so make the best of it to build around those guys. Yes maybe this year is a lost cause, but you can’t just Tank and not negatively affect the future.

[djFan71]

Remove the 1sts from ATL, Risacher is similar value to Brown.

You could be right, I'm not convinced of it.

I think this is valuing Risacher's draft slot and being overly negative on Brown's contract. Brown will just be lots better than Risacher on the court for the next few years at a minimum, and that's assuming Risacher hits his ceiling. And at the end of Brown's deal, Risacher will need to be extended, so if he does hit his ceiling, that deal won't be cheap either.

[Cricket23]

I'm not surprised by some of the comments but I disagree with many of them.

For Dallas, I'm not saying they should trade for Jrue, but all of the reports say Dallas is very interested. Maybe it's not true, but let's just assume it is. Dallas fans don't want to trade Gaffard, they'd rather send 3 players they don't want. Gafford is important for Dallas because AD and Lively have had injury issues, but let's be real. Dallas needs AD and Lively healthy to go far, and if they are, then Gafford barely sees the floor in the playoffs, especially when you factor in Flagg and PJ. Gafford and PJ both need new contracts after this coming season and they're both not getting paid by Dallas unless they trade someone else that their fans don't want gone. If Dallas trades for Jrue, Gafford is probably gone.

For Atlanta, do the fans really want to continue down the path of mediocrity? We just watched what Indiana was able to do and in the blink of an eye they're effed for next year. Boston is probably out of it for at least a year. Cleveland is still in a state of shock, NY has no way to meaningfully improve, and you've been passed by Detroit. Orlando saw this and they've made their move. Yes Brown is expensive, but the Hawks are very fortunate to have JJ locked up on a great contract. They need to take advantage of that and Brown would be phenomenal for the Hawks. Who's the best passing PG he's played with- Marcus Smart? Jaylen Brown meet Trae Young. Also, JB is one of the best transition players in the league and the Celtics play slow. Their style is not conducive to his strengths but rather it exasperates his weaknesses. He gets paid a lot of money but it's for his prime years. I think it's a move they should make and if it doesn't work out, then maybe it's time to move Young. Also, Gafford isn't great but he's an excellent lob threat and fit.

Young
Daniels
Brown
Johnson
Gafford

You don't want that?

I'm a Celtics fan who hasn't missed a game in at least 10 years including preseason and summer league.

Jrue is gone-that makes you worse.
Hauser is gone- that makes you worse.
Horford is either gone or aged out- that makes you worse.
KP and Kornet, who knows, but there's not going to be any improvement there.

So Boston moves on with JT who can likely be written off next year, JB, White, and Pritchard. Well that's not enough, it just isn't, not with no way to improve in any meaningful way. They need a center, depth, and an infusion of youth. They need to trade Brown and Brad Stevens knows it. So instead of Tatum, Brown, White, and Pritchard, you have Tatum, White, Pritchard, a young starting center in Okongwu, a very promising multitalented player on a rookie contract in Risacher, a very promising player picked at #13, and with a first round pick every year moving forward, and tradable contracts, a way to get another impact player. Dump Hauser for a couple of 2nds and their cap problems are gone.

[BK_2020]

Boston is a championship contender when Tatum returns from injury, why would they trade away their 2nd best player for an uncertain future. They are not in a position where they need to lose Brown in order to get off the Holiday contract. no way the Celtics make this move.

Three things. 1, Brown is not their 2nd best player. He's the one who takes the 2nd most shots. 2, Boston is not a championship contender even if Tatum returns 100% if they stay the course. They would have to start Payton Pritchard and have only G-league players on the bench. Their center rotation would be Porzingis (if resigned) plus Neemias Queta. Jordan Walsh would be the 1st wing off the bench. That's literally worse depth than Denver. 3, given that Boston has already been rumored to be considering a Brown trade, it's a little how do you say unrealistic to say "no way the Celtics make this move."

[BK_2020]

The problem is they are to good even without Tatum to tank.

Do you think so? Pritchard - White - Brown - Tillman or something - Porzingis for 30 games with Drew Peterson and Walsh coming off the bench? I think we have a bottom 5 record locked up.