Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

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If true, so much for expiring contracts not having a lot of value. The Bulls can easily flip Coby White into another late lottery pick if they want to.

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If true, so much for expiring contracts not having a lot of value. The Bulls can easily flip Coby White into another late lottery pick if they want to.

That deal isn't reported completely so I'd not be taking victory laps over an incomplete report over a deal that didn't happen. And their picks this year are low value.

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[Mavrelous]

Green + 10 for Claxton + 19
Wonder why it didn't happen...

[Texas Chuck]

Green + 10 for Claxton + 19
Wonder why it didn't happen...

Cam Thomas probably

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[Godaddycurse]

Green + 10 for Claxton + 19
Wonder why it didn't happen...

Cam Thomas probably

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wasnt the rumor green + 10 for johnson + 19? I think that could still happen and Phoenix drafts a C at 19

[SkyHook]

With Lillard's injury, age and contract, what types of teams do you think would trade for him if Milwaukee were to try to accomplish a soft reset around Giannis?

The overwhelming likelihood is that Dame will never be near the same level of player again. The ideal trade partners will be teams that don't need Lillard to be productive. Tankers. (See Jazz, Utah.) Then it all comes down to how much compensation that the Bucks are willing to attach. And it will take A LOT.

A scenario: To maximize the cost savings for Milwaukee, Utah could trade only Collins and Clarkson expiring deals for Dame, but only before 30 June (next year's figures don't quite work). In such a deal, the Jazz take on over $70MM in virtually dead money ($13MM+ in the salary differences this season and Dame's $58MM+ next season). How much is that worth? Is the cost beyond the Bucks pain threshold? Do they even have enough premium draft capital to make a deal attractive? (I'm not sure.)

I think the only way this works is that Milwaukee has to eat some longer term salary that Team A wants to get rid of in exchange for getting guys that can actually play now, and combine that with some incentive from their side to make it work.

Portland fans don't like Grant/Simons for Dame (and I don't blame them) but it's the example I keep coming back to. Paul George is another example. Maybe Chicago does Vuc + PWill + Carter for Dame plus some minor incentives?

Coming back around to thinking about this today. I still don't see any way that Utah would take on Dame's essentially dead money for just the one unconditional pick that Milwaukee can trade. I'm still not sure that it's worth taking on nearly $60MM in this scenario, but does this idea have any legs?

Bucks trade Lillard + MIL 2031 FRP (unprotected) for Grant + Sexton

Blazers trade Grant + 11 for Collins + #21

Jazz trade Collins + Sexton + #21 for Lillard + MIL 2031 FRP (unprotected) + #11

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If true, so much for expiring contracts not having a lot of value. The Bulls can easily flip Coby White into another late lottery pick if they want to.

Or Chicago wasted their opportunity to get the best value for Coby, as so many other teams have done before?

We’ve seen a lot of expirings get traded for low value the last few years. And seen a lot of players assigned more value than they end up getting traded for.. with a decent amount of overlap between those two qualifiers.

Or it was just 16 and 25 for Coby and it was something Realgm has posted 20 variations of..

[Mavrelous]

Green + 10 for Claxton + 19
Wonder why it didn't happen...

Cam Thomas probably

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Doubt it, CamT shouldn't be consquential, maybe they are waiting to see who's available on draft day..

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The overwhelming likelihood is that Dame will never be near the same level of player again. The ideal trade partners will be teams that don't need Lillard to be productive. Tankers. (See Jazz, Utah.) Then it all comes down to how much compensation that the Bucks are willing to attach. And it will take A LOT.

A scenario: To maximize the cost savings for Milwaukee, Utah could trade only Collins and Clarkson expiring deals for Dame, but only before 30 June (next year's figures don't quite work). In such a deal, the Jazz take on over $70MM in virtually dead money ($13MM+ in the salary differences this season and Dame's $58MM+ next season). How much is that worth? Is the cost beyond the Bucks pain threshold? Do they even have enough premium draft capital to make a deal attractive? (I'm not sure.)

I think the only way this works is that Milwaukee has to eat some longer term salary that Team A wants to get rid of in exchange for getting guys that can actually play now, and combine that with some incentive from their side to make it work.

Portland fans don't like Grant/Simons for Dame (and I don't blame them) but it's the example I keep coming back to. Paul George is another example. Maybe Chicago does Vuc + PWill + Carter for Dame plus some minor incentives?

Coming back around to thinking about this today. I still don't see any way that Utah would take on Dame's essentially dead money for just the one unconditional pick that Milwaukee can trade. I'm still not sure that it's worth taking on nearly $60MM in this scenario, but does this idea have any legs?

Bucks trade Lillard + MIL 2027 FRP (unprotected) for Grant + Sexton

Blazers trade Grant + 11 for Collins + #21

Jazz trade Collins + Sexton + #21 for Lillard + MIL 2027 FRP (unprotected) + #11

milwaukee dont own their 2027 1st. earliest they can trade is 2031

[SkyHook]

I think the only way this works is that Milwaukee has to eat some longer term salary that Team A wants to get rid of in exchange for getting guys that can actually play now, and combine that with some incentive from their side to make it work.

Portland fans don't like Grant/Simons for Dame (and I don't blame them) but it's the example I keep coming back to. Paul George is another example. Maybe Chicago does Vuc + PWill + Carter for Dame plus some minor incentives?

Coming back around to thinking about this today. I still don't see any way that Utah would take on Dame's essentially dead money for just the one unconditional pick that Milwaukee can trade. I'm still not sure that it's worth taking on nearly $60MM in this scenario, but does this idea have any legs?

Bucks trade Lillard + MIL 2027 FRP (unprotected) for Grant + Sexton

Blazers trade Grant + 11 for Collins + #21

Jazz trade Collins + Sexton + #21 for Lillard + MIL 2027 FRP (unprotected) + #11

milwaukee dont own their 2027 1st. earliest they can trade is 2031

Good catch... fixed. I was typing up a few scenarios and got things mixed up.

[moss_is_1]

So what happens after Durant now? I still don't like Phoenix with Booker and Green together. At least they get more flexibility.

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Green + 10 for Claxton + 19
Wonder why it didn't happen...

Cam Thomas probably

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Doubt it, CamT shouldn't be consquential, maybe they are waiting to see who's available on draft day..

I'm pretty sure Brooklyn can't do unbalanced salary trades until the league year flips, their cap space opens up, and they waive the rights to their FAs. They may have an agreement if nothing else presents itself to Brooklyn but I wouldn't lock in.

[daoneandonly]

So what happens after Durant now? I still don't like Phoenix with Booker and Green together. At least they get more flexibility.

Booker for AD? Who knows

[K_chile22]

If Houston wants to go really all in is there a decent 2 guard they can get who makes $13M or less with filler (Jock and holiday) and the 27 nets pick

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If Houston wants to go really all in is there a decent 2 guard they can get who makes $13M or less with filler (Jock and holiday) and the 27 nets pick

Isnt the 27 nets a swap, not a pick?

Coby?

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[K_chile22]

If Houston wants to go really all in is there a decent 2 guard they can get who makes $13M or less with filler (Jock and holiday) and the 27 nets pick

Isnt the 27 nets a swap, not a pick?

Coby?

Yeah but they have another pick for stepian so it would just be trading the better of Houston/BKN technically

[nzahir]

What do you guys think Jrue's value is?

I think hes a decent negative now due to having 3 years at 32m, 35m, 37m

Trying to see if the Lakers can get him for 2 expirings in Kleber and Gabe and then a bad, but smaller, deal in Vando

or if Boston would add their 1st (28th) with Jrue and then just receive 1-2 of Gabe/Maxi (3rd team takes an expiring and Lakers and Boston both chip in a 2nd)

I think it’s being overstated how “bad” his contract is. He will be around the 60th highest paid player in the league through the life of it…He is still pretty close to a top 60-80 player. Maybe he declines a bit, but he keeps himself in great shape and is obviously great at bringing intangibles to a team.
I don’t think the Celtics will have to pay to break him into smaller pieces. They probably do for a near complete dump.
I think the most likely package that the Celtics accept is a player the Celtics can use that may be signed long term and an expiring or two.
I highly doubt they pay to “dump” him.
For the Lakers Rui and Kleiber or Vincent makes the most sense.
Rui and Vanderbilt maybe but I expect the Cs can find a better deal.

I would do Gabe and Kleber expirings and dumping Vando for Jrue (need a 3rd team I believe, can give up a 2nd and Boston adds a 2nd to help) if we aren't getting a higher calibur POA defender or wing defender. Saves you guys money long term and flexibility, we get the best player in the deal

I would add Rui for that 28th pick (assuming we have a deal for a guy like Kessler lined up that needs 2 1sts) and keep Vando
So Rui+Gabe+Milton for Jrue and 28

[nzahir]

What do you guys think Jrue's value is?

I think hes a decent negative now due to having 3 years at 32m, 35m, 37m

Trying to see if the Lakers can get him for 2 expirings in Kleber and Gabe and then a bad, but smaller, deal in Vando

or if Boston would add their 1st (28th) with Jrue and then just receive 1-2 of Gabe/Maxi (3rd team takes an expiring and Lakers and Boston both chip in a 2nd)

I think a big question for the offseason is how players who are good but not elite while also expensive are valued. Holiday being a prime example.

I doubt his value is that low. Maybe if the Lakers pay to dump Kleber and Vincent into cap space/TPE(s) so that Boston just moves Holiday for Vicente (and huge immediate salary relief) it could work.

I just don't see how Jrue makes sense for Lakers. Lakers have enough playmaking with Reaves/Luka/Lebron..

Vando/DFS/Gabe/Goodwin/Bronny fill in the defense from guard to wing.

Rui/Knecht/Kleber are the pieces to use to get a starting C. Use TaxMLE to get backup C.

The candidates that this package can afford:
Ayton, Porzingis, Claxton, Vucevic

Whats wrong with more guys who can handle the ball and attack closeouts and make good plays?

Jrue is still a good defender and that is the purpose here

Gabe and Maxi would be the worst players in these finals and are neutrals to slight positives due to being expirings
Vando is a negative and a 1 sided player

I only want Jrue though if we cant get a better POA defender/wing defender and our C options are cheap

If we can get Boston to give up a late 1st for dumping Jrue and giving them Rui, then I would hope 2 1sts, Knecht, removing protection on 27, and adding a swap in 28 and 30 would be enough for Kessler

Luka, Jrue, DFS, Bron, Kessler
Reaves, Vando, Kleber

Mle on a stretch 4/5 like Horford or Jaylin Williams or a wing?

[Astaluego]

D.Murray + 23 for J.Green?

The Suns continue to trade Allen for a center (Gafford?)