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2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1541 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:11 pm

VaDe255 wrote:Shows how cheap this FO is a deal like Wiggins, Jovic + 2 FRPs would have gotten it done, they chose not to.


The Heat already owe two future firsts....you want them to be out of THREE future firsts plus this year's pick as well?
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1542 » by SA37 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:11 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:I like how people are dismissing Jalen Green as just a volume shooter that chokes in the playoffs :lol: sounds like some white guy on our team seeking 3 years 150 million … except Jalen Green attacking ability and athleticism makes him a superior player and his ceiling much higher.


Lose-lose there. Hopefully Miami will consider Herro's extension when deciding how to proceed now that Durant is off the market.

I'm still for a Herro-Jaquez for DeRozan-Murray swap.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1543 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:13 pm

I take back everything I said, all of you are right!!! We never had a chance!

I’m actually baffled, I’ve told you all for years how Patrick is washed now but I genuinely didn’t think it was THAT bad.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1544 » by SA37 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:13 pm

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I think the copium is thinking that Wiggins, 20th pick, Jaime, and Jovic is a better package than Brooks, Jalen, 10th pick, and 5 2nd round picks.


How does that make any sense? Unless we included Ware we had no shot.


Wiggins, Duncan’s cap relief; Jaime, Jovic, and 2 1sts absolutely **** on that package



Jalen Green is a better asset than Jaime and Jovic combined.

10th pick > 20th pick + a future 20th pick (how are we kidding ourselves about this?).

Wiggins and Brooks basically cancel each other out - both are role players / glue guys.


5 2nds > Duncan's cap relief lmao.


Yes, Jalen Green is a better prospect. But you have to pay $100+M to find out just how much.

And, no, 5 2nds are not better than cap relief when you're above the 2nd apron and all the restrictions that come with it. As someone posted on here, the Suns already have 1 1st restricted (2030, iirc) and will have 2031 restricted if they remain over the 2nd apron this year.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1545 » by carnageta » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:13 pm

VaDe255 wrote:Shows how cheap this FO is a deal like Wiggins, Jovic + 2 FRPs would have gotten it done, they chose not to.


Dude, the 10th pick alone is worth at least 2 FRPs.

Green is a better asset than Jovic.

They also added 5 second round picks and Brooks.


Wiggins + Jovic + 2 FRPS would not beat that package. 10th pick has a lot of weight.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1546 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:13 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1547 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:13 pm

KD to HOU makes all the sense in the world. They are a truly up and coming team that just finished second in the West. They were already ahead of schedule in their rebuild and now KD will expedite that even more.

The Heat are a complete mess that only has "warm weather" to offer right now.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1548 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:14 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:I like how people are dismissing Jalen Green as just a volume shooter that chokes in the playoffs :lol: sounds like some white guy on our team seeking 3 years 150 million … except Jalen Green attacking ability and athleticism makes him a superior player and his ceiling much higher.


It’s me saying that, Herros the same damn thing you wont find any push back from me there.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1549 » by SA37 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:14 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:Jalen Green?! That man straight up can't play with Booker and Beal. Whats even the plan there? Thats worse than trading for Herro.


I wonder if this'll get expanded with J Green going to Denver for MPJ or something to that effect.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1550 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:15 pm

Houston just killed it with this deal.

They unloaded green, who is an inefficient one way player with below average defense, in return for kd. Kd is surrounded by athletic switchable defenders, something he didn't have in Phoenix after playing with Beal and book. I would not be surprised if he hinted at green to be jettisoned.

I expect wiggins for derozan rumors to be bandied about next.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1551 » by oreon » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:15 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:I like how people are dismissing Jalen Green as just a volume shooter that chokes in the playoffs :lol: sounds like some white guy on our team seeking 3 years 150 million … except Jalen Green attacking ability and athleticism makes him a superior player and his ceiling much higher.


He's not a better player but has a higher ceiling.
Now look if someone got to Jalen Green and got him to care about defense, fix his shot selection and play team basketball he could be a really impactful player for a contender. Physically he has the tools. But his habits suck. There's no reason he can't be a plus wing defender.

He's young so maybe he can change and play ball the right way but I doubt it. I think he just cares about getting buckets and that's it.

That's not saying that I want to pay Herro 50 mil a season. Their situations are mutually exclusive, we don't really need to compare them.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1552 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:16 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:I like how people are dismissing Jalen Green as just a volume shooter that chokes in the playoffs :lol: sounds like some white guy on our team seeking 3 years 150 million … except Jalen Green attacking ability and athleticism makes him a superior player and his ceiling much higher.

Jalen Green is still young and a very good player. Brooks is a great fit next to Booker. 10th pick and 5 seconds damn the Suns did good
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1553 » by carnageta » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:16 pm

SA37 wrote:
carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Wiggins, Duncan’s cap relief; Jaime, Jovic, and 2 1sts absolutely **** on that package



Jalen Green is a better asset than Jaime and Jovic combined.

10th pick > 20th pick + a future 20th pick (how are we kidding ourselves about this?).

Wiggins and Brooks basically cancel each other out - both are role players / glue guys.


5 2nds > Duncan's cap relief lmao.


Yes, Jalen Green is a better prospect. But you have to pay $100+M to find out just how much.



So what lol. Bottom line is he's a better prospect, and the 10th pick is better than the 20th pick + a future lottery protected FRP. Lets not kid ourselves - if we were the Suns we would want the better package and wouldn't give a sh*t about how much the FO is saving in money :lol:
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1554 » by SA37 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:16 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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If true, it's idiotic. Just idiotic.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1555 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:17 pm

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Front office stans, defend this decision in a way that makes it make sense to us who are critical of just how much this front office has fallen off a cliff.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1556 » by miamiballer » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:17 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1557 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:17 pm

Ya, to come close to that HOU offer....Heat wouldve had to send everything but Ware.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1558 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:17 pm

Guessing the offer was likely wiggs or rozier, Duncan, and maybe 20 if the reports about not including jj, jovic, highsmith, and ware are true.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1559 » by SA37 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:18 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Houston just killed it with this deal.

They unloaded green, who is an inefficient one way player with below average defense, in return for kd. Kd is surrounded by athletic switchable defenders, something he didn't have in Phoenix after playing with Beal and book. I would not be surprised if he hinted at green to be jettisoned.

I expect wiggins for derozan rumors to be bandied about next.


Keep Wiggins and trade Herro unless Miami can get Herro to accept significantly less than he is eligible for in an extension. Herro is worth ~$30M/year, but not $40+M/year.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1560 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:19 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Guessing the offer was likely wiggs or rozier, Duncan, and maybe 20 if the reports about not including jj, jovic, highsmith, and ware are true.


The report is kinda ambiguous. Could be that Suns wanted ALL of what you mentioned and HEAT weren't willing to do that.

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