Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[YogurtProducer]

You keep saying from the corners, but that doesn’t make it true.

RJ has shot 41% from the corners and 35% overall (with TOR). Williams shoots 43% from the corners and 39% overall.

Williams highest volume area is the right side ATB 3 and he shoots 39.2% for his career there. AKA; the exact same as his overall percentage.

Williams has taken 30% or more of his shots from the corners in every season but 2025. Took 39%+ for his first three seasons. He shot 34.6% from above the break this season.

Last year, he did well, 38% on 2.0 per game. 43.8% on 1.1 from the corner (primarily the right corner). The year before, similar: 38% from ATB on 2 per game, 46% from the corner (over 54% from the left corner).

He's decent ATB but his greatest value is still corner 3pt shooting. And RJ has shot 40.9% and 40.0% from the corner over the past two seasons, taking them on 35 and 23% of his total volume. With Toronto in particular, 41.3% on 25.6% of his 3s.

Nothing I said was wrong.

Well it was misleading for sure. Almost every NBA player shoots a better percentage from the corners than ATB. Only 22% of PWills volume came from the corners which is 137/231 in the NBA among qualifying players - suggesting he shoots from the corner at a lower rate than the average NBA player.

Williams is a good shooter - there just isn't any dispute to it.

[Tor_Raps]

Sounds like Houston based on Twitter rumours

After hearing him mention the Raptors were offering all of IQ + RJ + Poeltl + 9th pick, this guy is dead to me. Knowing the basics if a trade is even possible should be tbe minimum required for your job lol.

Lmao you were saying?

Haha he knows everything

[Son Goku 25]

Tbh I'm a bit glad we didn't go after KD. I think our focus should be elsewhere.

[ForeverTFC]

In his defence, he called that trade absurd and said the raptors would be crazy to do that.

Gambo has been leaking stuff since Ishbia got on board. He's their Grange (but if Grange had an inside track to Masai regularly)

My guess is Grange is used by our front office and sometimes our front office will lead him astray

Grange is used by ownership, specifically Rogers.

[LoveMyRaps]

Onto the next big fish!

[Son Goku 25]

So the way the Raptors operate is that if there's multiple teams interested, they won't be the team going out of their way to give away pieces unless it's for a true superstar. Whenever they target a player it's usually not at it's actual value with not so many teams interested and usually have a favorable deal. (Gasol, Ingram, Kawhi) In kawhis case as Bobby said it was actually the Spurs approaching us.

I can live with that.

[TimeForChange]

Onto the next big fish!

[720]

Would have been cool, oh well. Not really tripping. Ingram coming into the rotation, an improved Scottie, Jakobe, and Gradey, next season should be fun either way. If for some reason we suck (Ingram gets injured, or maybe no one improves), then we can tank for AJ or Boozer.

[bboyskinnylegs]

monkfish or patfish next?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Would you guys take Green for RJ straight up of the Suns want someone that can play the 3 a little vs Green?

[ArthurVandelay]

Would you guys take Green for RJ straight up?

Nope

[djsunyc]

Would you guys take Green for RJ straight up of the Suns want someone that can play the 3 a little vs Green?

no

[tsherkin]

Only 22% of PWills volume came from the corners which is 137/231 in the NBA among qualifying players

Yes, LAST season, only, though.

But anyway, this is missing the point. He's a much worse offensive player than RJ and his main strength is something RJ is pretty good at. We trade rim pressure and fouls drawn for low-volume ATB 3pt shooting (where he is better)... in a player who hasn't been MORE efficient than RJ in a couple years.

There is a limit to how much value such a player has.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Only doing RJ for Pat Williams if it’s done in a 3 teamer with the Nets

RJ and 19 to Chicago

Pat Williams and 9 to Nets

Cam Johnson, Collins and 12 to Toronto

[ItsDanger]

Watch on YouTube

Not this time!

[Randle McMurphy]

Tbh I'm a bit glad we didn't go after KD. I think our focus should be elsewhere.

Didn’t go after KD or just lost out on him?

There’s no evidence they weren’t trying to get him. Houston just saved them from themselves by offering more.

[bobbyp3588]

Would have been cool, oh well. Not really tripping. Ingram coming into the rotation, an improved Scottie, Jakobe, and Gradey, next season should be fun either way. If for some reason we suck (Ingram gets injured, or maybe no one improves), then we can tank for AJ or Boozer.

It wouldn’t have been cool at all. It would have broken the team and scuttled the next half decade of development.

Absolutely thrilled with this news. I just knew we weren’t legit interested.

[bobbyp3588]

Tbh I'm a bit glad we didn't go after KD. I think our focus should be elsewhere.

Didn’t go after KD or just lost out on him?

There’s no evidence they weren’t trying to get him. Houston just saved them from themselves by offering more.

Show me proof they even had a convo. There was never any real interest on our part. As usual our name was being thrown around for views, clicks and leverage.

[Randle McMurphy]

Tbh I'm a bit glad we didn't go after KD. I think our focus should be elsewhere.

Didn’t go after KD or just lost out on him?

There’s no evidence they weren’t trying to get him. Houston just saved them from themselves by offering more.

Show me proof they even had a convo. There was never any real interest on our part. As usual our name was being thrown around for views, clicks and leverage.

If they didn’t even have a conversation for a player as good as KD, I would question that even more than anything.

[PushDaRock]

You keep saying from the corners, but that doesn’t make it true.

RJ has shot 41% from the corners and 35% overall (with TOR). Williams shoots 43% from the corners and 39% overall.

Williams highest volume area is the right side ATB 3 and he shoots 39.2% for his career there. AKA; the exact same as his overall percentage.

Williams has taken 30% or more of his shots from the corners in every season but 2025. Took 39%+ for his first three seasons. He shot 34.6% from above the break this season.

Last year, he did well, 38% on 2.0 per game. 43.8% on 1.1 from the corner (primarily the right corner). The year before, similar: 38% from ATB on 2 per game, 46% from the corner (over 54% from the left corner).

He's decent ATB but his greatest value is still corner 3pt shooting. And RJ has shot 40.9% and 40.0% from the corner over the past two seasons, taking them on 35 and 23% of his total volume. With Toronto in particular, 41.3% on 25.6% of his 3s.

Nothing I said was wrong.

Well it was misleading for sure. Almost every NBA player shoots a better percentage from the corners than ATB. Only 22% of PWills volume came from the corners which is 137/231 in the NBA among qualifying players - suggesting he shoots from the corner at a lower rate than the average NBA player.

Williams is a good shooter - there just isn't any dispute to it.

How useful is a 40% shooter on such low volume? Last year he finally increased the volume and it's still on the low side at 6.2 3PA per 36 and his percentage dropped to 35%. It could be variance but it's not what you want to see either.

The advanced metrics for him are also atrocious. Career -3.8 on court per 100, -7.5 on/off per 100. His teams suck when he's on the floor and are better when he's off it.

I don't think we should just say the cap is going up to justify having bad players/contracts on the roster. Every dollar counts in the new CBA.