2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[SA37]

I’ll say this about Beal too, not that adding him will
Make us championship contenders or anything but he’s become insanely underrated because of his contract and his fit with Phoenix 2 best players. They wanted him to be Jrue, that’s not who he’s ever been. You can’t just randomly tell a player to become one of the best perimeter defenders and glue guys the league has seen in recent history

I don't see the need to pay Beal ~$110M and his no-trade clause when Miami can get the same player from Sacramento for less than Beal will make in a season.

Phoenix isn't going to give up the minimal picks it has to get rid of Beal. And in any case, it's totally out of their hands with Beal's no-trade clause. It would just be throwing good money after bad with Beal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Antetokounmpo makes more sense for the Heat than Durant.
Durant is not the player he was. He plays as a jump shooter now, he is not explosive anymore.

Can the Heat make a trade for Antetokounmpo?
He may wants to get out of Bucks.


Or trade Herro for Ja Morant

WE DONT HAVE THE ASSETS FOR THAT. You just saw 37 year old Durant go for 1 first and 5 2nds that’s 6 pick total. Giannis would go for like 5 1st and multiple seconds. We just don’t have anywhere near that. We suck at asset building

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ain't nobody at ten this season worth taking that **** on. If Beal didnt work with Booker, he sure as he'll ain't working with Herro.

Honestly not even worried about the on court product but Beal would have more of a role here and be higher in the pecking order. Beal has 2 seasons on his contract, we don’t have a front office capable of building a contender by next season or the season after so I don’t see anything to really be worried about

Taking Beal on literally adds nothing to this team. Hes paid too much, can't defend, and is worse than both Bam and Herro. He also doesnt play well next to a guy like Herro and we'd then have no way to add anyone to support our new core. 3 max contracts with only 2 all star level players. And once all this sinks in, we wouldn't be able to get rid of him because he's too expensive and has a damn no trade clause.

It gives us assets, which we need, for 2 years of service. What are we going to do in the meantime? Is the NBA going to magically gift us a Luka type player to boost us into contention?

[Beenie]

Team down bad

Board down bad

Wait until Derozan comes

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’ll say this about Beal too, not that adding him will
Make us championship contenders or anything but he’s become insanely underrated because of his contract and his fit with Phoenix 2 best players. They wanted him to be Jrue, that’s not who he’s ever been. You can’t just randomly tell a player to become one of the best perimeter defenders and glue guys the league has seen in recent history

I don't see the need to pay Beal ~$110M and his no-trade clause when Miami can get the same player from Sacramento for less than Beal will make in a season.

Phoenix isn't going to give up the minimal picks it has to get rid of Beal. And in any case, it's totally out of their hands with Beal's no-trade clause. It would just be throwing good money after bad with Beal.

Yeah it’s wishful thinking the Suns would engage us with that. They were willing to do it for Jimmy but at this point they will probably just suck it up for another year

[MettaWorldPanda]

If anyone cares Cody Martin will be getting released here soon so i could see him as a minimum reclamation project like his brother.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ll say this about Beal too, not that adding him will
Make us championship contenders or anything but he’s become insanely underrated because of his contract and his fit with Phoenix 2 best players. They wanted him to be Jrue, that’s not who he’s ever been. You can’t just randomly tell a player to become one of the best perimeter defenders and glue guys the league has seen in recent history

I don't see the need to pay Beal ~$110M and his no-trade clause when Miami can get the same player from Sacramento for less than Beal will make in a season.

Phoenix isn't going to give up the minimal picks it has to get rid of Beal. And in any case, it's totally out of their hands with Beal's no-trade clause. It would just be throwing good money after bad with Beal.

Brother it’s not about the on court product at this point. The chance to legitimately improve the on court product just came and went, we finished 2nd per usual. Now it’s about accumulating assets and actually leaning into asset management for once. If you can get even 2 1sts for taking on Beal you’ve almost just doubled our tradable assets, potentially doubled them depending on the years.

All those 2nd round picks we burnt over the years drafting KZ, dumping Dedmon, dumping Dipo etc? They just went for KD.

[oreon]

If anyone cares Cody Martin will be getting released here soon so i could see him as a minimum reclamation project like his brother.

He's 29. Just play Keldon Johnson and Larsson

[MettaWorldPanda]

If anyone cares Cody Martin will be getting released here soon so i could see him as a minimum reclamation project like his brother.

He's 29. Just play Keldon Johnson and Larsson

Oh trust me i agree but they will still look to add depth on the cheap

[vagelis]

Antetokounmpo makes more sense for the Heat than Durant.
Durant is not the player he was. He plays as a jump shooter now, he is not explosive anymore.

Can the Heat make a trade for Antetokounmpo?
He may wants to get out of Bucks.


Or trade Herro for Ja Morant

WE DONT HAVE THE ASSETS FOR THAT. You just saw 37 year old Durant go for 1 first and 5 2nds that’s 6 pick total. Giannis would go for like 5 1st and multiple seconds. We just don’t have anywhere near that. We suck at asset building

If the Heat offer Adebayo, Herro and pick(s), do you think this is not enough?

[lastb1ckman]

I’ll say this about Beal too, not that adding him will
Make us championship contenders or anything but he’s become insanely underrated because of his contract and his fit with Phoenix 2 best players. They wanted him to be Jrue, that’s not who he’s ever been. You can’t just randomly tell a player to become one of the best perimeter defenders and glue guys the league has seen in recent history

I don't see the need to pay Beal ~$110M and his no-trade clause when Miami can get the same player from Sacramento for less than Beal will make in a season.

Phoenix isn't going to give up the minimal picks it has to get rid of Beal. And in any case, it's totally out of their hands with Beal's no-trade clause. It would just be throwing good money after bad with Beal.

Brother it’s not about the on court product at this point. The chance to legitimately improve the on court product just came and went, we finished 2nd per usual. Now it’s about accumulating assets and actually leaning into asset management for once. If you can get even 2 1sts for taking on Beal you’ve almost just doubled our tradable assets, potentially doubled them depending on the years.

All those 2nd round picks we burnt over the years drafting KZ, dumping Dedmon, dumping Dipo etc? They just went for KD.

You gotta look into how bad Beal was for the Suns this season. A team with title expectations had to sit a max player because he didnt work with the other 2 maxes. Thats crazy!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Antetokounmpo makes more sense for the Heat than Durant.
Durant is not the player he was. He plays as a jump shooter now, he is not explosive anymore.

Can the Heat make a trade for Antetokounmpo?
He may wants to get out of Bucks.


Or trade Herro for Ja Morant

WE DONT HAVE THE ASSETS FOR THAT. You just saw 37 year old Durant go for 1 first and 5 2nds that’s 6 pick total. Giannis would go for like 5 1st and multiple seconds. We just don’t have anywhere near that. We suck at asset building

If the Heat offer Adebayo, Herro and pick(s), do you think this is not enough?

So burn every asset for Giannis for him to be in the same or worse situation he’s currently in in Milwaukee at 31 years old and 85% of his game being reliant on athleticism and freak size?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't see the need to pay Beal ~$110M and his no-trade clause when Miami can get the same player from Sacramento for less than Beal will make in a season.

Phoenix isn't going to give up the minimal picks it has to get rid of Beal. And in any case, it's totally out of their hands with Beal's no-trade clause. It would just be throwing good money after bad with Beal.

Brother it’s not about the on court product at this point. The chance to legitimately improve the on court product just came and went, we finished 2nd per usual. Now it’s about accumulating assets and actually leaning into asset management for once. If you can get even 2 1sts for taking on Beal you’ve almost just doubled our tradable assets, potentially doubled them depending on the years.

All those 2nd round picks we burnt over the years drafting KZ, dumping Dedmon, dumping Dipo etc? They just went for KD.

You gotta look into how bad Beal was for the Suns this season. A team with title expectations had to sit a max player because he didnt work with the other 2 maxes. Thats crazy!

Beal/Booker/KD overlap in everything they do and again, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ON COURT PRODUCT

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We haven’t taken an asset management stance in so long that when it’s brought up Heat fans legitimately can’t comprehend what’s being said

[SA37]

I’ll say this about Beal too, not that adding him will
Make us championship contenders or anything but he’s become insanely underrated because of his contract and his fit with Phoenix 2 best players. They wanted him to be Jrue, that’s not who he’s ever been. You can’t just randomly tell a player to become one of the best perimeter defenders and glue guys the league has seen in recent history

I don't see the need to pay Beal ~$110M and his no-trade clause when Miami can get the same player from Sacramento for less than Beal will make in a season.

Phoenix isn't going to give up the minimal picks it has to get rid of Beal. And in any case, it's totally out of their hands with Beal's no-trade clause. It would just be throwing good money after bad with Beal.

Brother it’s not about the on court product at this point. The chance to legitimately improve the on court product just came and went, we finished 2nd per usual. Now it’s about accumulating assets and actually leaning into asset management for once. If you can get even 2 1sts for taking on Beal you’ve almost just doubled our tradable assets, potentially doubled them depending on the years.

All those 2nd round picks we burnt over the years drafting KZ, dumping Dedmon, dumping Dipo etc? They just went for KD.

Knowing how Miami's FO tends to operate, they will be focused on the on-court product, not on paying $110M or so to a player they can't even move when he's expiring just to have 1 extra tradeable pick or 2.

Miami would need a trade target, and there just doesn't seem to be a big ticket player available after Durant. If you're thinking "in case Giannis becomes available", other teams will blow any Miami offer out of the water. 1-2 1sts will not make any difference there.

[Lilseb93]

It's like Bill Zito and the Panthers took the talent away from the Heat's FO like the Monstars in Space Jam. The Panthers became the premier organization and the Heat became what I remember the Panthers used to be. Incompetent. Just a shame.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't see the need to pay Beal ~$110M and his no-trade clause when Miami can get the same player from Sacramento for less than Beal will make in a season.

Phoenix isn't going to give up the minimal picks it has to get rid of Beal. And in any case, it's totally out of their hands with Beal's no-trade clause. It would just be throwing good money after bad with Beal.

Brother it’s not about the on court product at this point. The chance to legitimately improve the on court product just came and went, we finished 2nd per usual. Now it’s about accumulating assets and actually leaning into asset management for once. If you can get even 2 1sts for taking on Beal you’ve almost just doubled our tradable assets, potentially doubled them depending on the years.

All those 2nd round picks we burnt over the years drafting KZ, dumping Dedmon, dumping Dipo etc? They just went for KD.

Knowing how Miami's FO tends to operate, they will be focused on the on-court product, not on paying $110M or so to a player they can't even move when he's expiring just to have 1 extra tradeable pick or 2.

Miami would need a trade target, and there just doesn't seem to be a big ticket player available after Durant. If you're thinking "in case Giannis becomes available", other teams will blow any Miami offer out of the water. 1-2 1sts will not make any difference there.

So over the next 2 seasons we should just accept being mediocre with average level assets as opposed to mediocre with good assets? Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding.

What can we do this summer or the next that trumps adding Beal for additional picks to add to the asset cupboard?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It's like Bill Zito and the Panthers took the talent away from the Heat's FO like the Monstars in Space Jam. The Panthers became the premier organization and the Heat became what I remember the Panthers used to be. Incompetent. Just a shame.

Panthers aren’t ran by a dude that legitimately kill over at any given second living off past clout.

[Daffy]

Antetokounmpo makes more sense for the Heat than Durant.
Durant is not the player he was. He plays as a jump shooter now, he is not explosive anymore.

Can the Heat make a trade for Antetokounmpo?
He may wants to get out of Bucks.


Or trade Herro for Ja Morant

WE DONT HAVE THE ASSETS FOR THAT. You just saw 37 year old Durant go for 1 first and 5 2nds that’s 6 pick total. Giannis would go for like 5 1st and multiple seconds. We just don’t have anywhere near that. We suck at asset building

If the Heat offer Adebayo, Herro and pick(s), do you think this is not enough?

Lol man you're trolling us right now. What sense would that make for Giannis who wants to win. Who he gonna play with? You, MettaWorldPanda, 3ammy3uck3ts and Daffy?

[Lilseb93]

They need to blow it up. The problem is this organization refuses to do that, and they think two Finals runs (where they looked outmatched) with a bunch of undrafted guys and finding a disgruntled star somewhere is a recipe for success. We got lucky with Jimmy. Otherwise, we've struck out on literally every star we've gone after. This strategy is not working.