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Baseball Colour Wars! Blue (Jays - 40-34) vs White (Sox - 23-52) June 20-22

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Re: Baseball Colour Wars! Blue (Jays - 40-34) vs White (Sox - 23-52) June 20-22 

Post#41 » by Mehar » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:29 pm

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Spencer Horwitz has been injured all year, and only started playing again two weeks ago on June 9th. He is also making only $767,500 this year. The money this organization absorbed taking on Gimenez's contract, could have been allocated much more efficiently. The only stats that are relevant right now is that Gimenez is batting an atrocious .191, .575 OPS, .281 On Base and .295 SLG. Take away his good first week, and Gimenez is one of the worst offensive players in all of MLB. The xwOBA might be an useful stat to you, but it only measures "what should have happened based on contact". I like stats that tell me what actually happened.

Regardless, I was hoping the Jays could have signed another very good Starting Pitcher like Kikuchi again last off-season, instead of absorbing the money they did with Gimenez. Kikuchi wanted to come back and his agent even reached out to the Jays, but this front office had other plans. Kikuchi has been a very good pitcher with Anaheim all year (after a couple of shaky starts the first month). This team would be leading the division right now if Kikuchi was pitching all year in the rotation every 5 days. It is about opportunity cost and the Jays chose poorly. Just like how I was hoping they would have signed Teoscar back, but they chose overrated Santander for more guaranteed money and years.
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Re: Baseball Colour Wars! Blue (Jays - 40-34) vs White (Sox - 23-52) June 20-22 

Post#42 » by -MetA4- » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:09 pm

Mehar wrote:The xwOBA might be an useful stat to you, but it only measures "what should have happened based on contact". I like stats that tell me what actually happened.


No, like most internet armchair GM's, you like whatever it is that validates your preset opinion.

Gimenez's BABIP is 64 points lower this year (.209) than it was in his lowest BABIP season in his career (.273). His BABIP was .286 last year, in a season where he still wasn't good offensively. He has never been a "low BABIP" hitter, and nothing in his batting profile this year explains why his BABIP is the 3rd lowest in the entire league among hitters with a minimum of 190 plate appearances.

Low BABIP hitters are normally guys who hit a lot of pop-ups and flyballs, but Gimenez's IFFB% is actually an absurdly low 2.1% this season, and his FB% (34.3%) is right at the MLB average and is also within a few percentage points of where he normally sits year over year.

He is clearly due for a rebound, just like Kirk was back when he would go on long stretches in 2023/2024 wherein his expected stats were nowhere near his actual stats, but I can point to several posters on here who didn't believe in those arguments either.

Gimenez may never be an elite hitter ever again like he was 2022, but he has clearly been unlucky this year.
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Re: Baseball Colour Wars! Blue (Jays - 40-34) vs White (Sox - 23-52) June 20-22 

Post#43 » by Mehar » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:15 pm

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Mehar wrote:The xwOBA might be an useful stat to you, but it only measures "what should have happened based on contact". I like stats that tell me what actually happened.


No, like most internet armchair GM's, you like whatever it is that validates your preset opinion.

Gimenez's BABIP is 64 points lower this year (.209) than it was in his lowest BABIP season in his career (.273). His BABIP was .286 last year, in a season where he still wasn't good offensively. He has never been a "low BABIP" hitter, and nothing in his batting profile this year explains why his BABIP is the 3rd lowest in the entire league among hitters with a minimum of 190 plate appearances.

Low BABIP hitters are normally guys who hit a lot of pop-ups and flyballs, but Gimenez's IFFB% is actually an absurdly low 2.1% this season, and his FB% (34.3%) is right at the MLB average and is also within a few percentage points of where he normally sits year over year.

He is clearly due for a rebound, just like Kirk was back when he would go on long stretches in 2023/2024 wherein his expected stats were nowhere near his actual stats, but I can point to several posters on here who didn't believe in those arguments either.

Gimenez may never be an elite hitter ever again like he was 2022, but he has clearly been unlucky this year.

You make fair points. However, you also have to look at the opportunity cost of this Gimenez trade. The money this team absorbed taking on the contract, limited their flexibility to spend elsewhere to improve the roster as mentioned in this article from this past December- https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/what-surprising-gimenez-deal-means-for-the-blue-jays/

I would have much rather had signed another solid starting pitcher in the rotation who wanted to come back to Toronto (i.e. Kikuchi), than putting my hopes on a guy like Gimenez to bounce back when his numbers had regressed the past two years. I hope he does turn it around like Kirk, and rediscover that 2022 production. Heck even perform like he did in the first week of the season.
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Re: Baseball Colour Wars! Blue (Jays - 40-34) vs White (Sox - 23-52) June 20-22 

Post#44 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:36 pm

Exposed by another White Sox starter. Hurry back Varsho.
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Post#45 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:47 pm

Gimenez is absolute garbage. What a gross contract.
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Post#46 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:54 pm

Houser has had several very bad calls against him but hasn't hurt him too much.
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Post#47 » by Mehar » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:02 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Houser has had several very bad calls against him but hasn't hurt him too much.

I would not mind the Jays acquiring Houser before the deadline. He signed a relatively cheap contract as a free agent with Chicago (1 year at 1.35 million) and has pitched good since May when he joined the rotation in Chicago. He would be a fine 5th Starter in Toronto compared to what they have.
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Post#48 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:02 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Houser has had several very bad calls against him but hasn't hurt him too much.

Worst umpired game we’ve had all year tbh

The guy is all over the place and it has helped us more than hurt us.
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Post#49 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:10 pm

Gimenez weak swing down with 1 out, 2 men on. That is inexcusable for a non power bat.
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Post#50 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:15 pm

Houser looks great, I’d be interested in adding him at the deadline (or preferably sooner, we need a SP badly).
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Post#51 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:16 pm

Don’t really get the Bassitt pull at 82 pitches.
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Post#52 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:29 pm

Putting a digital Charmin logo on the mound is going too far with these ads.
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Post#53 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:51 pm

And this terrible inning would be why you shouldn’t pull your dominating starter at 82 pitches.
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Post#54 » by COY0607 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:52 pm

I’m so over this Hoffman experience.

He’s not ready to be a closer, any other playoff contender would’ve made a change by now - especially when Yariel is doing what he’s doing.

This has been Schneider’s biggest failure this season
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Post#55 » by JaysRule15 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:55 pm

Why even pull Little for Hoffman. It was two outs.
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Post#56 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:55 pm

Atrocious loss for this team against the worst team in the AL. So unnecessary too.

Time to remove the guy with a 6 ERA from the closer’s spot already.
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Post#57 » by Mehar » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:56 pm

COY0607 wrote:I’m so over this Hoffman experience.

He’s not ready to be a closer, any other playoff contender would’ve made a change by now - especially when Yariel is doing what he’s doing.

This has been Schneider’s biggest failure this season

Yariel should be the Closer going forward.
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Post#58 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:56 pm

John Schneider reaches new lows today.
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Post#59 » by JaysRule15 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:57 pm

Any serious team would've put Yariel at closer by now instead of being scared of hurting Hoffman's feelings.
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Post#60 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:58 pm

JaysRule15 wrote:Why even pull Little for Hoffman. It was two outs.

Why even do anything he did today

Bassitt was at 82 pitches, he could have and should have pitched the 7th
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