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2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1741 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:18 pm

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People are so emotional lol

PHX also wanted future first round compensation.


I don't rate any of these picks as valuable, it's mostly mid to late round picks when it comes to the Heat. Don't really need another Jaquez or Jovic on the team, I hope they just move the #20 pick.

This team already has Ware, Jovic, Jaquez and some GLeaguers as projects, they aren't resetting, it makes no sense to take on more.


I used to feel the same way, but in today's NBA draft picks are immensely valuable as trade chips. The Heat are always running with a deficit of firsts, when the name of the game now is stockpiling firsts.

In many ways, the Heat have been left in the past.


The reason for that starts at the top.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1742 » by oreon » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:20 pm

iamoti wrote:It would be stupid to trade Bam or Tyler after that playoffs performance. Lets get their stock up first. I still have faith in JJJ. Play the young guys. Get the stock up and trade them all. ALL.

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Herro is tough. Even if he has a great year, its gonna be hard to find a buyer who will pay a premium because of that extension.

Bam on the other hand, he still has a ton of value. Look at Bane, who had a bad season but still went for a premiuim price.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1743 » by DayofMourning » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:21 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I wonder how pissed Edrice and Spo are, they were pushing for KD.


Both getting traded.


Whoever loses the finals likely does so with a major point being bad play from their bigs (Turner/Chet/IHart have all been terrible) send them the Bam offer as soon as the season ends. Trade Spo to the Knicks


Do the Knicks have any picks left?

Spo should command at least the Mikal package.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1744 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:21 pm

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I don't rate any of these picks as valuable, it's mostly mid to late round picks when it comes to the Heat. Don't really need another Jaquez or Jovic on the team, I hope they just move the #20 pick.

This team already has Ware, Jovic, Jaquez and some GLeaguers as projects, they aren't resetting, it makes no sense to take on more.


I used to feel the same way, but in today's NBA draft picks are immensely valuable as trade chips. The Heat are always running with a deficit of firsts, when the name of the game now is stockpiling firsts.

In many ways, the Heat have been left in the past.


The reason for that starts at the top.


Yup, this fatal cycle began when they traded TWO future firsts to PHX for Dragic who was due to become a free agent that summer anyway. A day later Bosh went down with the blood clots. They've been playing catch up ever since.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1745 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:22 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
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Both getting traded.


Whoever loses the finals likely does so with a major point being bad play from their bigs (Turner/Chet/IHart have all been terrible) send them the Bam offer as soon as the season ends. Trade Spo to the Knicks


Do the Knicks have any picks left?

Spo should command at least the Mikal package.


They have one tradeable first (2026) according to Google AI
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1746 » by Lilseb93 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:22 pm

Outside the Panthers, I'm stuck with the Heat, Dolphins, and Marlins. :lol:

It's rough right now. Still, my teams though. 8-)
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1747 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:24 pm

Lilseb93 wrote:Outside the Panthers, I'm stuck with the Heat, Dolphins, and Marlins. :lol:

It's rough right now. Still, my teams though. 8-)


Stay strong! Even if they stink, it's still more respectable to rep your hometown teams than jump on random bandwagons across the country.

I have a friend here in Florida who grew up in the 90s-00s and ever since has been a Packers, Braves, Lakers fan.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1748 » by Vertical Limit » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:25 pm

Trade Herro… sell high now..
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1749 » by Lilseb93 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:26 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Lilseb93 wrote:Outside the Panthers, I'm stuck with the Heat, Dolphins, and Marlins. :lol:

It's rough right now. Still, my teams though. 8-)


Stay strong! Even if they stink, it's still more respectable to rep your hometown teams than jump on random bandwagons across the country.

I have a friend from Florida who grew up in the 90s-00s and ever since has been a Packers, Braves, Lakers fan.


Of course. I've been a fan of my hometown teams my whole life. I'm never going anywhere. For all the good and the bad (a lot of bad). :nod:
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1750 » by iamoti » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:27 pm

Imagine Bam on the Spurs as a 4 next to Wemby and with his BFF in Fox. Thats a team. I would gladly take Castle and all of the picks.

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Post#1751 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:29 pm

I don’t get the salt. Houston was great in the regular season and competed hard as hell with a good Warriors squad that was arguably a Curry injury away from at least the WCF. They’re a team that was actually one piece away, and KD fit the need perfectly since the piece they needed was a reliable go to scorer.

The Heat were mediocre in the regular season without Jimmy, and terrible in the postseason the last two years without him. This squad wasn’t one piece away, and KD is old enough that you don’t just get him and “worry about it later”, because this may be his last year at a superstar level, and even that’s no guarantee.

Is it disappointing he couldn’t be nabbed for spare parts? Eh, a little, but to be perfectly honest I think he’d have just set us back in making a new build to compete with. I do not like the Jimmy comparisons either, Jimmy was 30, KD’s 37.

Also some of you gotta pick a lane, is the front office bad because they aren’t stockpiling assets, or because they aren’t going all in on every trade? Because you kinda have to commit to one or the other at some point, you can’t do both. From my perspective we seem to be leaning towards the stockpiling route finally (besides that ass Rozier trade 2 years ago), I’m content with that.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1752 » by SA37 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:29 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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Brother it’s not about the on court product at this point. The chance to legitimately improve the on court product just came and went, we finished 2nd per usual. Now it’s about accumulating assets and actually leaning into asset management for once. If you can get even 2 1sts for taking on Beal you’ve almost just doubled our tradable assets, potentially doubled them depending on the years.

All those 2nd round picks we burnt over the years drafting KZ, dumping Dedmon, dumping Dipo etc? They just went for KD.


Knowing how Miami's FO tends to operate, they will be focused on the on-court product, not on paying $110M or so to a player they can't even move when he's expiring just to have 1 extra tradeable pick or 2.

Miami would need a trade target, and there just doesn't seem to be a big ticket player available after Durant. If you're thinking "in case Giannis becomes available", other teams will blow any Miami offer out of the water. 1-2 1sts will not make any difference there.


So over the next 2 seasons we should just accept being mediocre with average level assets as opposed to mediocre with good assets? Maybe I'm the one misunderstanding.

What can we do this summer or the next that trumps adding Beal for additional picks to add to the asset cupboard?


I wasn't giving my opinion of what I think Miami should do; I was just saying it is how Miami's FO is likely to operate. With Riley at the helm, Miami has never, ever made draft pick acquisitions the center of its plans. In fact, it has been a team that has traded away many of its draft picks to acquire vets. Basically the antithesis of Philadelphia's "process".

I don't have an issue with Miami trying to improve its draft assets, but you're hand-waving away what Beal costs in real dollars, the restrictions his trade clause brings down the line in terms of his value as an expiring contract, how his salary will restrict Miami's ability to acquire/keep players without getting over the tax/aprons...etc. You're also saying Miami should make a deal with an organization that has traded most of its 1sts in the next 4-5 years. Nothing here is financially sound or optimal in terms asset acquisition in this plan.

If Miami were to choose a rebuilding strategy where it maximized draft assets, I think that means Miami needs to move Herro and, more importantly, Adebayo. And the targets would have to be teams with lots of draft assets (like OKC).

Adebayo for Hartenstein, Wiggins, and picks/young guys might make sense.

I'm not sure Herro gets you any picks unless Miami traded him to Washington for Smart, Holmes, and 1-2 picks or something along those lines.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1753 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:31 pm

Also lol @ lumping the Heat in with the Dolphins/Marlins, some of you must be really young to be making that comparison. The Dolphins and Marlins have been terrible for 2+ decades now, the Heat have been to the Finals twice since 2020. Perspective, please.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1754 » by vagelis » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:32 pm

Daffy wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:WE DONT HAVE THE ASSETS FOR THAT. You just saw 37 year old Durant go for 1 first and 5 2nds that’s 6 pick total. Giannis would go for like 5 1st and multiple seconds. We just don’t have anywhere near that. We suck at asset building


If the Heat offer Adebayo, Herro and pick(s), do you think this is not enough?



Lol man you're trolling us right now. What sense would that make for Giannis who wants to win. Who he gonna play with? You, MettaWorldPanda, 3ammy3uck3ts and Daffy?


It may make sense for Antetokounmpo to play for a bigger market than Bucks.

Another aspect is that Heat may get other players easier if they have a superstar in the roster.

I think that Herro has to be upgraded if Heat want to go anywhere.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1755 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:32 pm

Lilseb93 wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Lilseb93 wrote:Outside the Panthers, I'm stuck with the Heat, Dolphins, and Marlins. :lol:

It's rough right now. Still, my teams though. 8-)


Stay strong! Even if they stink, it's still more respectable to rep your hometown teams than jump on random bandwagons across the country.

I have a friend from Florida who grew up in the 90s-00s and ever since has been a Packers, Braves, Lakers fan.


Of course. I've been a fan of my hometown teams my whole life. I'm never going anywhere. For all the good and the bad (a lot of bad). :nod:


True, but we also have our fair share of good times! Seven professional championships for South Florida teams since 1997.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1756 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:34 pm

iamoti wrote:Imagine Bam on the Spurs as a 4 next to Wemby and with his BFF in Fox. Thats a team. I would gladly take Castle and all of the picks.

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These are deals we need to be exploring. If we let teams know Bam is available the phone won’t stop ringing
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1757 » by Lilseb93 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:34 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Also lol @ lumping the Heat in with the Dolphins/Marlins, some of you must be really young to be making that comparison. The Dolphins and Marlins have been terrible for 2+ decades now, the Heat have been to the Finals twice since 2020. Perspective, please.


I'm 32. I wasn't saying the Heat org is as bad as the Dolphins and Marlins. I'm saying it's likely going to be a rough season next year, along with those teams. Just like last year.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1758 » by SoFlaKingReal » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:35 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Also lol @ lumping the Heat in with the Dolphins/Marlins, some of you must be really young to be making that comparison. The Dolphins and Marlins have been terrible for 2+ decades now, the Heat have been to the Finals twice since 2020. Perspective, please.


You didn't hear? Those Finals runs were fluke anomalies that the front office had nothing to do with.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1759 » by Lilseb93 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:36 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:
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Stay strong! Even if they stink, it's still more respectable to rep your hometown teams than jump on random bandwagons across the country.

I have a friend from Florida who grew up in the 90s-00s and ever since has been a Packers, Braves, Lakers fan.


Of course. I've been a fan of my hometown teams my whole life. I'm never going anywhere. For all the good and the bad (a lot of bad). :nod:


True, but we also have our fair share of good times! Seven professional championships for South Florida teams since 1997.


It's still wild that the Marlins have won 2 WS. I just miss having good football teams. The Heat can have down seasons. Just give me a direction though.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#1760 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:38 pm

Lilseb93 wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Also lol @ lumping the Heat in with the Dolphins/Marlins, some of you must be really young to be making that comparison. The Dolphins and Marlins have been terrible for 2+ decades now, the Heat have been to the Finals twice since 2020. Perspective, please.


I'm 32. I wasn't saying the Heat org is as bad as the Dolphins and Marlins. I'm saying it's likely going to be a rough season next year, along with those teams. Just like last year.

I agree but sometimes you gotta take your medicine to improve.

The best thing that ever happened to this franchise, or 2nd depending on how much you value Riley’s arrival, was drafting that kid out of Marquette in 2003. That doesn’t happen if we didn’t have a couple years in the dumps.

Not saying we should tank, but maybe it’s time to let the chips fall where they may instead of always trading 2 dollars tomorrow for a dollar today.

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