Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Raptors Realtor]

How so?

First post, you stated that the Rockets saved Masai/Bobby from themselves for showing interest in trading for KD, and in the following post, you said if they didn't even make a call showing interest that would be even more questionable then showing interest.

I don’t see how those are conflicting ideas. It’s their responsibility to look into what a player like KD will cost; that doesn’t mean trading for him at that cost is a good idea.

Right, so perhaps all it was was a phone call to see the cost to acquire. Based on the return, it's likely that the Suns were just throwing out "interested" teams to the media in hopes of improving their offers. It's quite the leap in speculation on your part to come to the conclusion that the Rockets saved Masai/Bobby from themselves.

[Randle McMurphy]

But without knowing what the cost was or the conversations. How were they saved from themselves?

Again, stop trolling. Last warning.

The initial post I responded to indicated that the Raptors didn’t even try for KD, which is contrary to everything that has been reported.

Maybe I’m missing what the problem is here?

The problem is you're trolling the board and have been for the last little while.

Offer value or take some time off.

No worries, I can get back to praising the FO then.

[Randle McMurphy]

First post, you stated that the Rockets saved Masai/Bobby from themselves for showing interest in trading for KD, and in the following post, you said if they didn't even make a call showing interest that would be even more questionable then showing interest.

I don’t see how those are conflicting ideas. It’s their responsibility to look into what a player like KD will cost; that doesn’t mean trading for him at that cost is a good idea.

Right, so perhaps all it was was a phone call to see the cost to acquire. Based on the return, it's likely that the Suns were just throwing out "interested" teams to the media in hopes of improving their offers. It's quite the leap in speculation on your part to come to the conclusion that the Rockets saved Masai/Bobby from themselves.

I think we can both agree that the Raptors trading for KD was not a good idea at that cost (and credit to the FO for not mortgaging the future in that way). I think we can also agree that the Raptors also looked into what that cost would be and decided it (Houston’s offer) was not something they’d want to do.

[Raptors Realtor]

I don’t see how those are conflicting ideas. It’s their responsibility to look into what a player like KD will cost; that doesn’t mean trading for him at that cost is a good idea.

Right, so perhaps all it was was a phone call to see the cost to acquire. Based on the return, it's likely that the Suns were just throwing out "interested" teams to the media in hopes of improving their offers. It's quite the leap in speculation on your part to come to the conclusion that the Rockets saved Masai/Bobby from themselves.

I think we can both agree that the Raptors trading for KD was not a good idea at that cost (and credit to the FO for not mortgaging the future in that way). I think we can also agree that the Raptors also looked into what that cost would be and decided it (Houston’s offer) was not something they’d want to do.

Yep agree.

[Tor_Raps]

Its obvious if the raptors offered Poetl, suns would've preferred our deal. We just didn't

Now let's hope we already know what Poeltl's ask is for an extension and we're on-board with it.

The dumbest thing would be if his ask is outside our range and we lose him for nothing or cents on the dollar at the deadline like so many in the past.

[Randle McMurphy]

Right, so perhaps all it was was a phone call to see the cost to acquire. Based on the return, it's likely that the Suns were just throwing out "interested" teams to the media in hopes of improving their offers. It's quite the leap in speculation on your part to come to the conclusion that the Rockets saved Masai/Bobby from themselves.

I think we can both agree that the Raptors trading for KD was not a good idea at that cost (and credit to the FO for not mortgaging the future in that way). I think we can also agree that the Raptors also looked into what that cost would be and decided it (Houston’s offer) was not something they’d want to do.

Yep agree.

Thankfully they didn’t move Poeltl for him.

[NotMyKawhi]

We can't even get old superstars on expirings lol Raptors are extinct

I think we could have had him. But we didn't want to pay the cost.

Pretty sure we could have offered better than Green and the 10th

He didn't want us. Kawhi left after winning a championship. We never signed a good free agent ever.

Best player in expansion draft BJ, Roy winner Damon. Traded him for Kenny Anderson, Tmac, Vince, Davis, Bosh left. Kawhi left after a championship. Fvv left.

Americans prefer not being here. We should only go after non americans imo.

[tsherkin]

I think we can both agree that the Raptors trading for KD was not a good idea at that cost (and credit to the FO for not mortgaging the future in that way). I think we can also agree that the Raptors also looked into what that cost would be and decided it (Houston’s offer) was not something they’d want to do.

Yeah, I have to agree with that as well. Was not looking forward to shortchanging our future for a year or two of KD if he did ultimately decide he wanted to come here. I don't think this is a FO thing so much as a "KD didn't want to sign an extension with us" thing, but at least they didn't press the issue or, as you say, offer up Poeltl.

[Randle McMurphy]

I think we can both agree that the Raptors trading for KD was not a good idea at that cost (and credit to the FO for not mortgaging the future in that way). I think we can also agree that the Raptors also looked into what that cost would be and decided it (Houston’s offer) was not something they’d want to do.

Yeah, I have to agree with that as well. Was not looking forward to shortchanging our future for a year or two of KD if he did ultimately decide he wanted to come here. I don't think this is a FO thing so much as a "KD didn't want to sign an extension with us" thing, but at least they didn't press the issue or, as you say, offer up Poeltl.

I should add I’d still be all for moving the earth for Giannis, as he’s a HOFer you can still build around for the next half decade.

For all his ability, KD is something else at this stage of his career. Makes far more sense on a contender in Houston than what this team is.

[tsherkin]

I should add I’d still be all for moving the earth for Giannis, as he’s a HOFer you can still build around for the next half decade.

For all his ability, KD is something else at this stage of his career. Makes far more sense on a contender in Houston than what this team is.

I'd be a lot more comfortable moving resources for a 31 year-old two-way player, no doubt about it. He isn't his DPOY self but I'd expect him to generally be pretty nasty for a few more years, yeah. I don't know about a half decade, unless he starts making gains at the foul line instead of just that FT line pull-up, but yeah, he's a beast. KD's what... 6 years older, generally less healthy and far worse on D.

Giannis, yeah. KD, no, for sure.

[earthtone]

He’d be a bench guy though. Maybe a spot starter if there is an injury. Williams salary is flat at $18m

2027-28 MLE: $17m
2027-2029 MLE: $18.7m

MLE for a bench 3/4 isn’t all that bad. He’s hits 3’s and won’t get attack defensively. PWill is not all that good but he’s not really making starter money.

Right, but we're losing RJ for a guy who might be useful to us as a spacer. I'm not really seeing the value to the team beyond the financial incentive.

"might be" is a weird way of downplaying "40% career 3 point shooter".

Besides - I feel like getting the 12th overall pick here is completely being overlooked. Realistically we are unable to pay IQ/RJ/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl. Why not cash one of them in for a lottery pick? What better offer are we ever going to get?

PWill is not the prize of the deal, and even then, he is a guy you can definitely see having a change of scenery boost.

#12 would have the highest upside of the entire deal, and PWill in theory is a better fit in the SL than RJ is anyways. You can start IQ/PWill/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl. PWill and Barnes are also both FSU alum - so maybe there is something there.

Really don't see anything that PWill adds to the team, especially not at the cost of RJ.

RJ's on a reasonable deal through the next two years. Might be slightly overpaid, but he has a real chance to outperform his contract over the next couple of seasons. Patrick Williams is a sub replacement level player making $18 million a year for the next 4 seasons. He's one of the worst players in the league by almost every impact metric. Horrible on/offs for his entire career, and is in the 13th percentile in EPM & 3rd percentile in EWS. He's surrounded by rookies, two-ways, and retirees.

I'm a pretty big believer in patience and not writing guys off too early, but Williams has shown nothing over five seasons to believe he'll ever be worth the $18 mil/year, even in a rising cap environment.

RJ makes $27.7 mil this season. Trading him for Pat Williams ($18 mil), Jevon Carter ($6.8 mil), and the 12th pick ($5.7mil) leaves you paying $30.5 million for one of the worst players/contracts in the league, one below average back-up PG, and one player you hope will eventually develop into starter quality. I don't see the appeal

[anotherhomer]

Right, but we're losing RJ for a guy who might be useful to us as a spacer. I'm not really seeing the value to the team beyond the financial incentive.

"might be" is a weird way of downplaying "40% career 3 point shooter".

Besides - I feel like getting the 12th overall pick here is completely being overlooked. Realistically we are unable to pay IQ/RJ/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl. Why not cash one of them in for a lottery pick? What better offer are we ever going to get?

PWill is not the prize of the deal, and even then, he is a guy you can definitely see having a change of scenery boost.

#12 would have the highest upside of the entire deal, and PWill in theory is a better fit in the SL than RJ is anyways. You can start IQ/PWill/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl. PWill and Barnes are also both FSU alum - so maybe there is something there.

Really don't see anything that PWill adds to the team, especially not at the cost of RJ.

RJ's on a reasonable deal through the next two years. Might be slightly overpaid, but he has a real chance to outperform his contract over the next couple of seasons. Patrick Williams is a sub replacement level player making $18 million a year for the next 4 seasons. He's one of the worst players in the league by almost every impact metric. Horrible on/offs for his entire career, and is in the 13th percentile in EPM & 3rd percentile in EWS. He's surrounded by rookies, two-ways, and retirees.

I'm a pretty big believer in patience and not writing guys off too early, but Williams has shown nothing over five seasons to believe he'll ever be worth the $18 mil/year, even in a rising cap environment.

RJ makes $27.7 mil this season. Trading him for Pat Williams ($18 mil), Jevon Carter ($6.8 mil), and the 12th pick ($5.7mil) leaves you paying $30.5 million for one of the worst players/contracts in the league, one below average back-up PG, and one player you hope will eventually develop into starter quality. I don't see the appeal

Don't like it but I guess it maybe a possibility

[LoveMyRaps]

Alright yall let’s switch our attention to someone else…

Bam?
Trae?
KAT?
Sabonis?
Morant?
Murray?

[mdenny]

We can't even get old superstars on expirings lol Raptors are extinct

I think we could have had him. But we didn't want to pay the cost.

Pretty sure we could have offered better than Green and the 10th

We just needed a smokescreen to kill a couple weeks until we can announce the giannis trade. Wednesday evening when davaid stern announces the #9 pick has been traded to the Milwaukee bucks.

[Asif16]

Alright yall let’s switch our attention to someone else…

Bam?
Trae?
KAT?
Sabonis?
Morant?
Murray?

I think whoever we get will have to wait next off-season. I can Giannis or Embiid or Trae requesting a trade next offseason. Maybe even Lamelo.

Dont see us being interested in Sabonis and he really doesn't move the needle

[WaltFrazier]

We can't even get old superstars on expirings lol Raptors are extinct

I think we could have had him. But we didn't want to pay the cost.

Pretty sure we could have offered better than Green and the 10th

He didn't want us. Kawhi left after winning a championship. We never signed a good free agent ever.

Best player in expansion draft BJ, Roy winner Damon. Traded him for Kenny Anderson, Tmac, Vince, Davis, Bosh left. Kawhi left after a championship. Fvv left.

Americans prefer not being here. We should only go after non americans imo.

I'm too lazy to make a poll/thread. But who are the best free agents the Raptors ever signed?

From within NBA:
Schroeder
Turkoglu
Biyombo
Who am I missing?

From Europe
Jose Calderon
Garbo
Anthony Parker

[YogurtProducer]

Right, but we're losing RJ for a guy who might be useful to us as a spacer. I'm not really seeing the value to the team beyond the financial incentive.

"might be" is a weird way of downplaying "40% career 3 point shooter".

Besides - I feel like getting the 12th overall pick here is completely being overlooked. Realistically we are unable to pay IQ/RJ/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl. Why not cash one of them in for a lottery pick? What better offer are we ever going to get?

PWill is not the prize of the deal, and even then, he is a guy you can definitely see having a change of scenery boost.

#12 would have the highest upside of the entire deal, and PWill in theory is a better fit in the SL than RJ is anyways. You can start IQ/PWill/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl. PWill and Barnes are also both FSU alum - so maybe there is something there.

Really don't see anything that PWill adds to the team, especially not at the cost of RJ.

RJ's on a reasonable deal through the next two years. Might be slightly overpaid, but he has a real chance to outperform his contract over the next couple of seasons. Patrick Williams is a sub replacement level player making $18 million a year for the next 4 seasons. He's one of the worst players in the league by almost every impact metric. Horrible on/offs for his entire career, and is in the 13th percentile in EPM & 3rd percentile in EWS. He's surrounded by rookies, two-ways, and retirees.

I'm a pretty big believer in patience and not writing guys off too early, but Williams has shown nothing over five seasons to believe he'll ever be worth the $18 mil/year, even in a rising cap environment.

RJ makes $27.7 mil this season. Trading him for Pat Williams ($18 mil), Jevon Carter ($6.8 mil), and the 12th pick ($5.7mil) leaves you paying $30.5 million for one of the worst players/contracts in the league, one below average back-up PG, and one player you hope will eventually develop into starter quality. I don't see the appeal

All this sounds like how RJ was “a negative contract” when we acquired him.

Sorry - I just don’t believe based on watching PWill and seeing the stats he’s one of the leagues worst players.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think we could have had him. But we didn't want to pay the cost.

Pretty sure we could have offered better than Green and the 10th

He didn't want us. Kawhi left after winning a championship. We never signed a good free agent ever.

Best player in expansion draft BJ, Roy winner Damon. Traded him for Kenny Anderson, Tmac, Vince, Davis, Bosh left. Kawhi left after a championship. Fvv left.

Americans prefer not being here. We should only go after non americans imo.

I'm too lazy to make a poll/thread. But who are the best free agents the Raptors ever signed?

From within NBA:
Schroeder
Turkoglu
Biyombo
Who am I missing?

From Europe
Jose Calderon
Garbo
Anthony Parker

Turk was arguably the biggest bust signing. Lol

[Godaddycurse]

I think we could have had him. But we didn't want to pay the cost.

Pretty sure we could have offered better than Green and the 10th

He didn't want us. Kawhi left after winning a championship. We never signed a good free agent ever.

Best player in expansion draft BJ, Roy winner Damon. Traded him for Kenny Anderson, Tmac, Vince, Davis, Bosh left. Kawhi left after a championship. Fvv left.

Americans prefer not being here. We should only go after non americans imo.

I'm too lazy to make a poll/thread. But who are the best free agents the Raptors ever signed?

From within NBA:
Schroeder
Turkoglu
Biyombo
Who am I missing?

From Europe
Jose Calderon
Garbo
Anthony Parker

Hakeeeeeem

[Scase]

He's a radio host. He's just as bad as any radio host in Toronto. Maybe he hears things but 99% clueless.

The rumour of KD to Houston is coming from a few different accounts.

In his defence, he called that trade absurd and said the raptors would be crazy to do that.

So a team trading 3 of their starters + a top 10 lottery pick for a 37 year old with 1 year left on his contract requires someone to say its an absurd idea eh.

My point was that if you cover/tweet about trades so often, just know whats even legal lol.

Oh for sure, but I think he's just parroting a rumour, not too deep.