Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

[Jvaughn]

I'd rather keep our expiring contracts. Kuminga isn't a good fit here. The only way I'd be somewhat interested is if we were moving Williams to do it. But, that's going to be difficult in a S&T with the cap rules around it.

If I had any faith the Bulls would do something else with those expiring, I'd be there with you. But we know this FO often lets players and assets expire for nothing. Seeing as how we're over the cap now and possibly for the foreseeable future, this might be the only chance we have at adding talent at this minimal of a cost.

We have a lot of cap space projected for next summer. Eating into that now for a player like Kuminga doesn't seem wise.

I've already accepted the fact that the Bulls are going to do something dumb and give contracts to Huerter and Collins in addition to resigning both Giddey and Coby. We never tear down like we're supposed to do.

[Guru]

Kuminga moves well without the ball and plays above the rim. His size would allow him to play F along with Buz. I am for this trade depending on what we send out.

A lineup of the below would be fun
1 Giddey
2 White
3 Kuminga
4 Buz
5 Queen

FUN IS NOT THE GOAL

I can't imagine living your life with this level of unhappiness.

[Guru]

I'd rather keep our expiring contracts. Kuminga isn't a good fit here. The only way I'd be somewhat interested is if we were moving Williams to do it. But, that's going to be difficult in a S&T with the cap rules around it.

If I had any faith the Bulls would do something else with those expiring, I'd be there with you. But we know this FO often lets players and assets expire for nothing. Seeing as how we're over the cap now and possibly for the foreseeable future, this might be the only chance we have at adding talent at this minimal of a cost.

We have a lot of cap space projected for next summer. Eating into that now for a player like Kuminga doesn't seem wise.

What does that free agent class look like?

[Kuro]

If I had any faith the Bulls would do something else with those expiring, I'd be there with you. But we know this FO often lets players and assets expire for nothing. Seeing as how we're over the cap now and possibly for the foreseeable future, this might be the only chance we have at adding talent at this minimal of a cost.

We have a lot of cap space projected for next summer. Eating into that now for a player like Kuminga doesn't seem wise.

What does that free agent class look like?

It looks pretty mediocre so not sure what we're saving money for

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[boozapalooza]

Sign me up for a Kuminga S&T. People are acting like hes shown nothing…

I think him averaging 24ppg in 4 games vs Minny when he was called upon in the playoffs was pretty damn impressive. Back to back 15ppg seasons with bench minutes. Hes a 20+ ppg scorer easily if given the opportunity, which he would have here. Great size, athleticism, defensive versatility.

In many ways I think picking him up would be similar to the Giddey acquisition last year. A bit of a buy low spot on a former high lotto draft pick before he really breaks out.

[BullsSD]

Sign me up for a Kuminga S&T. People are acting like hes shown nothing…

I think him averaging 24ppg in 4 games vs Minny when he was called upon in the playoffs was pretty damn impressive. Back to back 15ppg seasons with bench minutes. Hes a 20+ ppg scorer easily if given the opportunity, which he would have here. Great size, athleticism, defensive versatility.

In many ways I think picking him up would be similar to the Giddey acquisition last year. A bit of a buy low spot on a former high lotto draft pick before he really breaks out.

Couldn't agree more. These are the types of swings you take when rebuilding in this style.

The added value is if you move Vuc and/or P Will.

The moment you add in Bulls assets, I'm out though. Strictly Kuminga for Vuc/P Will swap.

[CROBulls]

Kuminga moves well without the ball and plays above the rim. His size would allow him to play F along with Buz. I am for this trade depending on what we send out.

A lineup of the below would be fun
1 Giddey
2 White
3 Kuminga
4 Buz
5 Queen

FUN IS NOT THE GOAL

I can't imagine living your life with this level of unhappiness.

He is Bulls fan. And as fact he is right. As Bulls fan he didnt had any fun for 15 years now. At least that's how long it was since Bulls had legit superstar on roster and they were on their way to Conference Finals.

And that's not his fault.

[dpucane]

FUN IS NOT THE GOAL

I can't imagine living your life with this level of unhappiness.

He is Bulls fan. And as fact he is right. As Bulls fan he didnt had any fun for 15 years now. At least that's how long it was since Bulls had legit superstar on roster and they were on their way to Conference Finals.

And that's not his fault.

Correct.

I have put up with a lot for 27 years and I do not have to settle for mediocrity like so much of this Stockholm Syndrome addled fanbase has decided to

Stay on topic, and stop insulting anyone whom simply disagrees with you. You've made no basketball point whatsoever here. You don't have to like Kuminga, or fun, or kittens, but you don't get to insult everyone because they like a player or move

[Guy Rodgers fan]

Dpucane said: "I have put up with a lot for 27 years and I do not have to settle for mediocrity like so much of this Stockholm Syndrome addled fanbase has decided to."

I've been a Bulls from the beginning when Guy Rodgers was their star player (hence my user name.) They made the playoffs that year which is unusual for an expansion team. They had a good stretch with Sloan, Van Lier, Butterbean, Chet teams and really should have won the championship in '75. Then MJ happened in 1984. That made it fun, but it wasn't for 7 years until they their first ring. Then the second and a third. (My neighbors remember the Paxson game even though they werent watching because I screamed so loudly on Pax's 3.)

When Michael announced he was going to play baseball my wife literally wanted to know if I needed to go to the ER for medication. But I was grateful for what the Bulls had already done. I didn't need more.

Then "I'm back" and three more rings. UnBullievable. Of course there was a drought, but I don't blame Jerry Krause for breaking the team up. He was the GM for a six time champion. No apologies needed.

The Deng, Kirk, Nocioni teams were enjoyable but not quite good enough.

Then the lotto. My son was with me when we got number 1 and he remembers l literally jumped off my seat to the ceiling (and I don't have a great vertical.) D-Rose was awesome and we were on our way to a 7th ring when he jumped stop vs. the 76ers. I'm not a doctor but I knew it was an ACL. Sad, but stuff happens.

Since then, yes, its been a struggle, but I'll always be grateful for what the Bulls have achieved. So while 'mediocrity' has been our reality, there are hopeful signs brewing and I'll look forward to the young players developing and the new players that are brought in.

Someday I'll tell you about the Cubs.

[Red Larrivee]

We have a lot of cap space projected for next summer. Eating into that now for a player like Kuminga doesn't seem wise.

What does that free agent class look like?

It looks pretty mediocre so not sure what we're saving money for

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I don't think paying a player like Kuminga market value is the solution to "we don't know what we're saving for yet". I'd rather have the cap space.

[MGB8]

What does that free agent class look like?

It looks pretty mediocre so not sure what we're saving money for

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I don't think paying a player like Kuminga market value is the solution to "we don't know what we're saving for yet". I'd rather have the cap space.

If we are looking to add another forward, just draft CMB and be done with it. Kuminga is obviously much more athletic, but his on-off impact isn’t great (interestingly, he helps on D while hurting a bit on O) and despite being a better shooter than CMB, it isn’t like he is reliable.

[boozapalooza]

What does that free agent class look like?

It looks pretty mediocre so not sure what we're saving money for

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I don't think paying a player like Kuminga market value is the solution to "we don't know what we're saving for yet". I'd rather have the cap space.

I realize this isnt the best strategy for team building, but what happens if we sign Kuminga to a 4/90 deal and he shows out next year? Stays healthy and becomes a 20ppg scorer. Only 22 years old right now.

Thats a valuable trade chip next offseason / down the road…may not have cap space for free agents but we would have a valuable trade asset on a reasonable deal

[BullsSD]

It looks pretty mediocre so not sure what we're saving money for

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I don't think paying a player like Kuminga market value is the solution to "we don't know what we're saving for yet". I'd rather have the cap space.

I realize this isnt the best strategy for team building, but what happens if we sign Kuminga to a 4/90 deal and he shows out next year? Stays healthy and becomes a 20ppg scorer. Only 22 years old right now.

Thats a valuable trade chip next offseason / down the road…may not have cap space for free agents but we would have a valuable trade asset on a reasonable deal

This is exactly why you do it. If you clear out Vuc AND add in a 22 year old 20/3/6 guy, even if he doesn't fit, there is a BKN or a Portland or someone who would be willing to give us first rounders and expirings.

Next to Giddey and Buz with opportunity, his floor with the Bulls is his ceiling with GS. You do this deal if we don't give up assets, period.

[Red Larrivee]

I don't think paying a player like Kuminga market value is the solution to "we don't know what we're saving for yet". I'd rather have the cap space.

I realize this isnt the best strategy for team building, but what happens if we sign Kuminga to a 4/90 deal and he shows out next year? Stays healthy and becomes a 20ppg scorer. Only 22 years old right now.

Thats a valuable trade chip next offseason / down the road…may not have cap space for free agents but we would have a valuable trade asset on a reasonable deal

This is exactly why you do it. If you clear out Vuc AND add in a 22 year old 20/3/6 guy, even if he doesn't fit, there is a BKN or a Portland or someone who would be willing to give us first rounders and expirings.

Next to Giddey and Buz with opportunity, his floor with the Bulls is his ceiling with GS. You do this deal if we don't give up assets, period.

I think you guys have a very optimistic view of how that signing could end up. I get the allure because of age, but he's really not a good fit with this team.

[PistolP]

I’d be ok with Kuminga if the price is right. He hasn’t really impacted winning yet in his career, but his on/off stats are significantly less toxic than say, PWill. Let’s face it, the Bulls are sort of locked into a path of mediocrity. The only way out is some lottery luck in 2026 or to keep gambling on young, talented-but-flawed players like Giddey, Kuminga etc and hope one of them can take a big leap.

[kodo]

We have a lot of cap space projected for next summer. Eating into that now for a player like Kuminga doesn't seem wise.

What does that free agent class look like?

It looks pretty mediocre so not sure what we're saving money for

Kevin Durant. Oops he just got traded.

This is why finding your star through FA is a red herring normal teams (ie, not NY or LA). Anyone remotely valuable is going to be moved via trade before a team lets them walk for nothing.

Top teams with cap space last season were Philly (who now need to attach assets to get rid of Paul George) and Detroit who signed Tobias Harris.
It's a doomed plan from AK but we've picked a lane.

[dpucane]

What does that free agent class look like?

It looks pretty mediocre so not sure what we're saving money for

Kevin Durant. Oops he just got traded.

This is why finding your star through FA is a red herring normal teams (ie, not NY or LA). Anyone remotely valuable is going to be moved via trade before a team lets them walk for nothing.

Top teams with cap space last season were Philly (who now need to attach assets to get rid of Paul George) and Detroit who signed Tobias Harris.
It's a doomed plan from AK but we've picked a lane.

The only interesting one is Jaren but MEM is definitely gonna resign him.

AK is scamming if he’s really telling people he’s clearing room for 26.

They’re much better off taking bad contracts w/picks

[dougthonus]

I realize this isnt the best strategy for team building, but what happens if we sign Kuminga to a 4/90 deal and he shows out next year? Stays healthy and becomes a 20ppg scorer. Only 22 years old right now.

Thats a valuable trade chip next offseason / down the road…may not have cap space for free agents but we would have a valuable trade asset on a reasonable deal

This is exactly why you do it. If you clear out Vuc AND add in a 22 year old 20/3/6 guy, even if he doesn't fit, there is a BKN or a Portland or someone who would be willing to give us first rounders and expirings.

Next to Giddey and Buz with opportunity, his floor with the Bulls is his ceiling with GS. You do this deal if we don't give up assets, period.

I think you guys have a very optimistic view of how that signing could end up. I get the allure because of age, but he's really not a good fit with this team.

Generally the way the FA market works is that the odds of someone making big improvements are baked into the next contract. The next contract goes to the most optimistic team able to bid, because they will pay him the most. The contract is bad unless the player outperforms the estimates of the most optimistic team unless there were artificial constraints stopping the most optimistic team from bidding.

So obviously we have a lot of constraints:
Max contract (lots of max players end up on good deals)
Roster constraints (some bidders don't have room on the roster or in the rotation)
Salary Cap (teams that can make a bid with cap room, MLE, TPE, or S&T etc)

If you look at Kuminga's situation there is some reason to be optimistic the caps around him might create a value situation. No cap space teams are likely to bid on him, and the amount he can make is also limited by the amount GS may take back in a S&T. Now those constraints may not make him a value contract (like if you think he's a sub MLE player those constraints don't really matter), but they do create some potential.

I remain pretty skeptical on Kuminga given the Warrios definitely had room to play him if he was a really good player, and he played his way out of their rotation. His skillset on offense is a terrible fit for what we need too, but I can see why someone might be excited about him.

If we did a S&T into the Zach exception to save GS money, his salary is capped at starting at 17M. The Bulls and GS could possibly cooperate to get that done in a way that GS basically tells Kuminga that they're not taking back more money for him once this offer is on the table. Maybe that still ends up too rich for your blood, and I wouldn't blame you, I don't have so much thoughts on Kuminga personally, just philosophizing a bit.

[kulaz3000]

Kuminga moves well without the ball and plays above the rim. His size would allow him to play F along with Buz. I am for this trade depending on what we send out.

A lineup of the below would be fun
1 Giddey
2 White
3 Kuminga
4 Buz
5 Queen

FUN IS NOT THE GOAL

I can't imagine living your life with this level of unhappiness.

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[Jeffster81]

Honest question: Do the Bulls have a plan or is their hope is to catch lightning in the bottle?