2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[djFan71]

This idea has been around, but we haven't really mentioned it here, afaik. Cs have a fallback, last resort type option to get under the 2nd apron. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to TPE for a 2nd or 2. If you do that, you can keep Jrue, sign 28 & 32 and give Kornet $5.5M and still be under the 2nd apron.

The downsides are you get no value for KP and his cap hit is on the books for 2 extra seasons. But, it does give you some leverage in that you don't HAVE to trade Jrue. So, you can stick to deals that bring value back instead of paying to "dump" a really good friggin player.

My guess is we still trade Jrue, but get back more than people expect. Having this option makes it a little easier for Brad to hold the line.

[fallguy]

Dillon Brooks for KP or Jrue is an interesting starting point for a deal.

[Dogen]

Houston doesn't think much of Jalen Green.

I recall a few years ago when some posters wanted to deal JB for Jalen Green. Lol

Honestly, neither do I. Thankfully he is not a Celtic. Green is horrible

#10 and Green for Durant who has 1-2 years left in the league is absolutely crazy. I have no idea what the f Houston is thinking, regardless of how you see Green.

They are thinking championship in the next two years. Remember, they've been just a shade behind OKC this season. It's a gamble that there is a window open now.

[165bows]

Dillon Brooks for KP or Jrue is an interesting starting point for a deal.

Phoenix and Houston both have situations where Jrue would be an elite fit with them. Not saying a deal is there but it speaks to the fact he’s a valuable player.

[Celticlifer]

If jrue is moved it will be to a team that thinks he makes them a contender and we'll get a much better return than what is being projected here

[djFan71]

Dillon Brooks for KP or Jrue is an interesting starting point for a deal.

Phoenix and Houston both have situations where Jrue would be an elite fit with them. Not saying a deal is there but it speaks to the fact he’s a valuable player.

KP too. Definitely need a 3rd team with either due to $, but I think that's basically the case with any Jrue destination, except UTA.

[phincsfan]

This idea has been around, but we haven't really mentioned it here, afaik. Cs have a fallback, last resort type option to get under the 2nd apron. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to TPE for a 2nd or 2. If you do that, you can keep Jrue, sign 28 & 32 and give Kornet $5.5M and still be under the 2nd apron.

The downsides are you get no value for KP and his cap hit is on the books for 2 extra seasons. But, it does give you some leverage in that you don't HAVE to trade Jrue. So, you can stick to deals that bring value back instead of paying to "dump" a really good friggin player.

My guess is we still trade Jrue, but get back more than people expect. Having this option makes it a little easier for Brad to hold the line.

This was my post back in May

If Joe's contract is up, then move on. This team has enough coachable young guys with some room left to grow. Joe is not a developmental coach.

Try to get into the lottery with White and Jrue. It's possible.

Not knowing what the hell Porzingis has or had even though they have the best medical options tells me he's not going to garner interest for his 30mil next season. Stretch him out.

If Luke wants a minimum contract great.

Trade Tillman.

Sam will have a more productive year since he'll be healthy and minutes will be available without JT.

[djFan71]

This idea has been around, but we haven't really mentioned it here, afaik. Cs have a fallback, last resort type option to get under the 2nd apron. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to TPE for a 2nd or 2. If you do that, you can keep Jrue, sign 28 & 32 and give Kornet $5.5M and still be under the 2nd apron.

The downsides are you get no value for KP and his cap hit is on the books for 2 extra seasons. But, it does give you some leverage in that you don't HAVE to trade Jrue. So, you can stick to deals that bring value back instead of paying to "dump" a really good friggin player.

My guess is we still trade Jrue, but get back more than people expect. Having this option makes it a little easier for Brad to hold the line.

This was my post back in May

If Joe's contract is up, then move on. This team has enough coachable young guys with some room left to grow. Joe is not a developmental coach.

Try to get into the lottery with White and Jrue. It's possible.

Not knowing what the hell Porzingis has or had even though they have the best medical options tells me he's not going to garner interest for his 30mil next season. Stretch him out.

If Luke wants a minimum contract great.

Trade Tillman.

Sam will have a more productive year since he'll be healthy and minutes will be available without JT.

There you go! Figured someone had mentioned stretching him. That feels more like frustration than cold-blooded CBA machinations, though. . I think for me the interesting part is as it relates to the 2nd apron and being able to just tell people NO on crap Jrue proposals without worrying that "oh man, I eventually gotta take one of these."

[djFan71]

Over 30 years ago, a woman pointed out that "two" people posting on Prodigy were really the same. Even though she and I didn't get along in the forum we shared, I PMed/emailed her with the theory that this might be a symptom of mental illness, in the form of the then newly popular Multiple Personality Disorder (later renamed to D.I.I.D.).

And that's how I met my future wife!

Future wife ? It's been 30 years what are you waiting for

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See? He only waited 23 years. When you know, you know.

[165bows]

Jrue/Hauser makes a lot of sense for the Rockets but same issue for them they’d have to move a lot of contracts to do it. Ie both Sheppard/Eason/Whitmore at least along with Londale, Aaron Holiday etc.

At which point it’s not inconceivable but it’s a lot of young guys and a lot of bodies.

[jmr07019]

I’m interested in Sabonis and think Sacramento will look to move him. Why would they trade Fox if they were planning on building around Sabonis? Sabonis has been asked to do too much during his career but he would be deadly as a third or fourth option in Boston.

I am similarly interested in in Jaren Jackson.

I really need to see Sabonis be a rim protector, and I dont think he will ever be that unfortunately.


JJJr I would love on this team.

Both would be highly frustrating to watch on a nightly basis

We paid Porzingis good money the last two years and he’s played 99/162 regular season games. Playoffs have left a lot to be desired as well.

Fair comment on Sabonis not being a great rim protector I just see him as still an upgrade over Porzingis

[Riverwalk2021]

Trading White would be the dumbest move if the goal is to remain competitive. He's 30 but his game is mostly based off instinct, IQ, and anticipation. He has improved every season since he's been here particularly his conditioning and confidence, and there's no reason why that cannot continue. Brown is the depreciable asset you have to worry about considering most of his game is based off athleticism. In any trade with them though, you're sending out the best player in the deal so it's not an ideal situation. In order of the most dispensable rotation players under contract if winning is the goal:

1-KP (valuable expiring contract)
2-Hauser (decent contract)
3-Jrue (bad contract)
4-Pritchard (great contract)

'Re-tooling' to me is moving the dispensable contracts (KP, Jrue, Hauser) for cheaper options that fill our biggest needs (athletic bigs, scoreres). I prefer not to see either White/Brown moved unless you're getting back a better player (no chance) or the fit makes a lot more sense when Tatum returns (unlikely).

[Riverwalk2021]

I really need to see Sabonis be a rim protector, and I dont think he will ever be that unfortunately.


JJJr I would love on this team.

Both would be highly frustrating to watch on a nightly basis

We paid Porzingis good money the last two years and he’s played 99/162 regular season games. Playoffs have left a lot to be desired as well.

Fair comment on Sabonis not being a great rim protector I just see him as still an upgrade over Porzingis

I am in the minority but dumping KP is addition by subtraction. His lack of availability put more pressure on Al and we were a worse team with him on the floor on both ends. The playoffs were shockingly extreme though and could not have imagined that kind of collapse from him regardless of any excuse one wants to make. He lost a step from last year clearly which really hurt him on defense. He lacks bball IQ, feel, and the quick decision making to offset his loss in athleticism. That's why I feel his contract is worth far more than the player at this point. KP at his best is a great change up but he cannot be a reliable #2 or #3 option. The proof is his entire career. We do not have the roster to justify his bloated $30M salary. Brad will look to take advantage of a team trying to dump an undervalued player on a cheaper, longer term deal in a trade imo. Could Brad just salary dump him in a trade? Sure but I'd bet on the former.

[hugepatsfan]

This idea has been around, but we haven't really mentioned it here, afaik. Cs have a fallback, last resort type option to get under the 2nd apron. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to TPE for a 2nd or 2. If you do that, you can keep Jrue, sign 28 & 32 and give Kornet $5.5M and still be under the 2nd apron.

The downsides are you get no value for KP and his cap hit is on the books for 2 extra seasons. But, it does give you some leverage in that you don't HAVE to trade Jrue. So, you can stick to deals that bring value back instead of paying to "dump" a really good friggin player.

My guess is we still trade Jrue, but get back more than people expect. Having this option makes it a little easier for Brad to hold the line.

This was my post back in May

If Joe's contract is up, then move on. This team has enough coachable young guys with some room left to grow. Joe is not a developmental coach.

Try to get into the lottery with White and Jrue. It's possible.

Not knowing what the hell Porzingis has or had even though they have the best medical options tells me he's not going to garner interest for his 30mil next season. Stretch him out.

If Luke wants a minimum contract great.

Trade Tillman.

Sam will have a more productive year since he'll be healthy and minutes will be available without JT.

There you go! Figured someone had mentioned stretching him. That feels more like frustration than cold-blooded CBA machinations, though. . I think for me the interesting part is as it relates to the 2nd apron and being able to just tell people NO on crap Jrue proposals without worrying that "oh man, I eventually gotta take one of these."

The downside to it is that if they did want to get below the tax next year, it’s a huge nuisance. Just like this year it could be a struggle to move an expiring KP for current year savings, it necessitates next year that a Jrue trade sheds current year savings except with a second year on his deal. And even if you did duck the tax, having that dead money charge makes it harder to maintain a championship team while doing so since you’re already penny pinching.

It’s certainly an option if they need it but it probably only makes even limited sense if they’re ok being in the tax next year. If they’re not, they’re better off taking their lumps now in a year Tatum is out because otherwise they have to take them next year.

[return2glory]

Tax, tax, tax. Who cares? They are billionaires. The second apron isn't much money for them.

That being said, KP will help someone in the regular season. He had his chances in Boston. Jrue can help out a contender for 1 or 2 more years. Move on from him since Tatum is out next season.

[Fierce1]

Tax, tax, tax. Who cares? They are billionaires. The second apron isn't much money for them.

That being said, KP will help someone in the regular season. He had his chances in Boston. Jrue can help out a contender for 1 or 2 more years. Move on from him since Tatum is out next season.

It's not just money, it's also about basketball penalties.

It will be harder to sign FAs and your future pick will be frozen.

[return2glory]

Tax, tax, tax. Who cares? They are billionaires. The second apron isn't much money for them.

That being said, KP will help someone in the regular season. He had his chances in Boston. Jrue can help out a contender for 1 or 2 more years. Move on from him since Tatum is out next season.

It's not just money, it's also about basketball penalties.

It will be harder to sign FAs and your future pick will be frozen.

They will change the rules before that happens. Besides it's not going to be as hard to get below that threshold as they are making it seem to be.
Hauser will be traded soon. Same with KP or Jrue. Brad will handle it.

[celtxman]

This idea has been around, but we haven't really mentioned it here, afaik. Cs have a fallback, last resort type option to get under the 2nd apron. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to TPE for a 2nd or 2. If you do that, you can keep Jrue, sign 28 & 32 and give Kornet $5.5M and still be under the 2nd apron.

The downsides are you get no value for KP and his cap hit is on the books for 2 extra seasons. But, it does give you some leverage in that you don't HAVE to trade Jrue. So, you can stick to deals that bring value back instead of paying to "dump" a really good friggin player.

My guess is we still trade Jrue, but get back more than people expect. But having this option makes it a little easier for Brad to hold the line.

About 10-12 pages ago I posted what Bobby Marks said about KP. Waive and stretch is an option, but he didn't like it. He also said KP's trade value is currently low. And finally he specifically commented how bad the center market is. If the Celtics got to regain the TPE they can use it for...(hold onto your chair)....Clint Capela or Larry Nance.
The only way that the Celtics should consider giving KP away, is if they need to , to get under the 2nd apron because nothing else worked out. And that doesn't erase the fact that you got no return except Larry Nance.
A couple of dates to remember. August 27th - the first FIBA game KP can play for Latvia and a peek at how his ailment is. August 29th - the waive and stretch deadline. A lot is on the line. Many fans may want KP out, but the reality of doing it is not as cathartic as they think, if there is no return.

[Fierce1]

Tax, tax, tax. Who cares? They are billionaires. The second apron isn't much money for them.

That being said, KP will help someone in the regular season. He had his chances in Boston. Jrue can help out a contender for 1 or 2 more years. Move on from him since Tatum is out next season.

It's not just money, it's also about basketball penalties.

It will be harder to sign FAs and your future pick will be frozen.

They will change the rules before that happens. Besides it's not going to be as hard to get below that threshold as they are making it seem to be.
Hauser will be traded soon. Same with KP or Jrue. Brad will handle it.

If that's the case then yeah, I agree, if Jrue or KP gets traded along with Sam then Cs go below the threshold.

[Fierce1]

No rush in trading KP because the Cs have until trade deadline to move him.

If KP's healthy, he will help JB, White, and PP lead the Celtics to 45-50 wins.

Who knows, if KP plays well, Cs might not trade him at all.