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[djFan71]

I think a big question for the offseason is how players who are good but not elite while also expensive are valued. Holiday being a prime example.

I doubt his value is that low. Maybe if the Lakers pay to dump Kleber and Vincent into cap space/TPE(s) so that Boston just moves Holiday for Vicente (and huge immediate salary relief) it could work.

I just don't see how Jrue makes sense for Lakers. Lakers have enough playmaking with Reaves/Luka/Lebron..

Vando/DFS/Gabe/Goodwin/Bronny fill in the defense from guard to wing.

Rui/Knecht/Kleber are the pieces to use to get a starting C. Use TaxMLE to get backup C.

The candidates that this package can afford:
Ayton, Porzingis, Claxton, Vucevic

Whats wrong with more guys who can handle the ball and attack closeouts and make good plays?

Jrue is still a good defender and that is the purpose here

Gabe and Maxi would be the worst players in these finals and are neutrals to slight positives due to being expirings
Vando is a negative and a 1 sided player

I only want Jrue though if we cant get a better POA defender/wing defender and our C options are cheap

If we can get Boston to give up a late 1st for dumping Jrue and giving them Rui, then I would hope 2 1sts, Knecht, removing protection on 27, and adding a swap in 28 and 30 would be enough for Kessler

Luka, Jrue, DFS, Bron, Kessler
Reaves, Vando, Kleber

Mle on a stretch 4/5 like Horford or Jaylin Williams or a wing?

On this board, you get 28 with Jrue. But BOS has been saying the other way - they want a pick to give him up. Could obviously be posturing, but Stevens doesn't really tend to do that much. He really values Jrue and we always have the nuclear option to get under the 2nd apron rather than take a bad deal or pay to move Jrue. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to a tpe elsewhere does the trick.

My gut is something like Jrue, 28 to UTA for Sexton, Martin and 21. And... honestly I'm not sure we send 28 (or 32). BOS would flip Sexton to a 3rd team either in the deal, or as a followup. I know everyone will say that's insane overpay, but I think Austin Ainge knows the price and wants Jrue to show his young guys and #5 how to win. Main hangup, I think, would be if Jrue just doesn't want to go to a non-contender, I doubt Stevens sends him somewhere he doesn't want to be.

I think it's UTA or DAL for Jrue. LA teams and a few others as lesser chance options.

[SlimShady83]

With the buzz about Lakers working out both Laravia/Day'Ron sharp? what can they offer both in FA?

What Buzz are you referring to?
FA has not started & it's not legal for teams to contact/ work out other players yet

All on YouTube Reaves is helping lol

[MoneyTalks41890]

I feel like Morey is going to look to be active.

PG, 3, McCain for Booker, Dunn

[SkyHook]

Spoiler:

I just don't see how Jrue makes sense for Lakers. Lakers have enough playmaking with Reaves/Luka/Lebron..

Vando/DFS/Gabe/Goodwin/Bronny fill in the defense from guard to wing.

Rui/Knecht/Kleber are the pieces to use to get a starting C. Use TaxMLE to get backup C.

The candidates that this package can afford:
Ayton, Porzingis, Claxton, Vucevic

Whats wrong with more guys who can handle the ball and attack closeouts and make good plays?

Jrue is still a good defender and that is the purpose here

Gabe and Maxi would be the worst players in these finals and are neutrals to slight positives due to being expirings
Vando is a negative and a 1 sided player

I only want Jrue though if we cant get a better POA defender/wing defender and our C options are cheap

If we can get Boston to give up a late 1st for dumping Jrue and giving them Rui, then I would hope 2 1sts, Knecht, removing protection on 27, and adding a swap in 28 and 30 would be enough for Kessler

Luka, Jrue, DFS, Bron, Kessler
Reaves, Vando, Kleber

Mle on a stretch 4/5 like Horford or Jaylin Williams or a wing?

On this board, you get 28 with Jrue. But BOS has been saying the other way - they want a pick to give him up. Could obviously be posturing, but Stevens doesn't really tend to do that much. He really values Jrue and we always have the nuclear option to get under the 2nd apron rather than take a bad deal or pay to move Jrue. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to a tpe elsewhere does the trick.

My gut is something like Jrue, 28 to UTA for Sexton, Martin and 21. And... honestly I'm not sure we send 28 (or 32). BOS would flip Sexton to a 3rd team either in the deal, or as a followup. I know everyone will say that's insane overpay, but I think Austin Ainge knows the price and wants Jrue to show his young guys and #5 how to win. Main hangup, I think, would be if Jrue just doesn't want to go to a non-contender, I doubt Stevens sends him somewhere he doesn't want to be.

I think it's UTA or DAL for Jrue. LA teams and a few others as lesser chance options.

I just don't see Utah acquiring Jrue; it's not the right direction for this stage of roster construction. Even if they considered it, it would be a failure of negotiation to add value on top of Sexton to do it.

[Knicks365247]

Can Houston turn around still offer a good package for Giannis?

Personally I think MIL is playing this **** close to the vest and they still are looking to shop Giannis for "the right price"

[cl2117]

Spoiler:

Whats wrong with more guys who can handle the ball and attack closeouts and make good plays?

Jrue is still a good defender and that is the purpose here

Gabe and Maxi would be the worst players in these finals and are neutrals to slight positives due to being expirings
Vando is a negative and a 1 sided player

I only want Jrue though if we cant get a better POA defender/wing defender and our C options are cheap

If we can get Boston to give up a late 1st for dumping Jrue and giving them Rui, then I would hope 2 1sts, Knecht, removing protection on 27, and adding a swap in 28 and 30 would be enough for Kessler

Luka, Jrue, DFS, Bron, Kessler
Reaves, Vando, Kleber

Mle on a stretch 4/5 like Horford or Jaylin Williams or a wing?

On this board, you get 28 with Jrue. But BOS has been saying the other way - they want a pick to give him up. Could obviously be posturing, but Stevens doesn't really tend to do that much. He really values Jrue and we always have the nuclear option to get under the 2nd apron rather than take a bad deal or pay to move Jrue. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to a tpe elsewhere does the trick.

My gut is something like Jrue, 28 to UTA for Sexton, Martin and 21. And... honestly I'm not sure we send 28 (or 32). BOS would flip Sexton to a 3rd team either in the deal, or as a followup. I know everyone will say that's insane overpay, but I think Austin Ainge knows the price and wants Jrue to show his young guys and #5 how to win. Main hangup, I think, would be if Jrue just doesn't want to go to a non-contender, I doubt Stevens sends him somewhere he doesn't want to be.

I think it's UTA or DAL for Jrue. LA teams and a few others as lesser chance options.

I just don't see Utah acquiring Jrue; it's not the right direction for this stage of roster construction. Even if they considered it, it would be a failure of negotiation to add value on top of Sexton to do it.

Yeah I don't see a fit for Jrue in Utah. Jrue's a great fit for a team desperate for a bit of star power at low low asset cost and/or a team that's trying to make a leap and hope Jrue can elevate their young talent by being an excellent connecting piece. Utah is neither of those.

LA teams, Dallas, Miami, Orlando, Detroit, Milwaukee, Sacramento, Phoenix. Those strike me as teams that fit into those categories. Not saying Jrue would be of interest and/or a good fit for all of them but those are the teams that I see as either being in no position to turn their nose up at talent irrespective of the contract and/or on the cusp of being a legitimate Indiana-esque wildcard and could use a guy like Jrue to keep it glued together.

[LarsV8]

Can Houston turn around still offer a good package for Giannis?

Personally I think MIL is playing this **** close to the vest and they still are looking to shop Giannis for "the right price"

Yes, Sengun to Nop for 7, 26 MIL, 27 Mil, and CJ

CJ
Reed
Cam
7
26 Mil
27 Mil
Best 2 of phx, hou, bk, 2027 #1
Best 2 of phx, dal, hou 2029 #1

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Whats wrong with more guys who can handle the ball and attack closeouts and make good plays?

Jrue is still a good defender and that is the purpose here

Gabe and Maxi would be the worst players in these finals and are neutrals to slight positives due to being expirings
Vando is a negative and a 1 sided player

I only want Jrue though if we cant get a better POA defender/wing defender and our C options are cheap

If we can get Boston to give up a late 1st for dumping Jrue and giving them Rui, then I would hope 2 1sts, Knecht, removing protection on 27, and adding a swap in 28 and 30 would be enough for Kessler

Luka, Jrue, DFS, Bron, Kessler
Reaves, Vando, Kleber

Mle on a stretch 4/5 like Horford or Jaylin Williams or a wing?

On this board, you get 28 with Jrue. But BOS has been saying the other way - they want a pick to give him up. Could obviously be posturing, but Stevens doesn't really tend to do that much. He really values Jrue and we always have the nuclear option to get under the 2nd apron rather than take a bad deal or pay to move Jrue. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to a tpe elsewhere does the trick.

My gut is something like Jrue, 28 to UTA for Sexton, Martin and 21. And... honestly I'm not sure we send 28 (or 32). BOS would flip Sexton to a 3rd team either in the deal, or as a followup. I know everyone will say that's insane overpay, but I think Austin Ainge knows the price and wants Jrue to show his young guys and #5 how to win. Main hangup, I think, would be if Jrue just doesn't want to go to a non-contender, I doubt Stevens sends him somewhere he doesn't want to be.

I think it's UTA or DAL for Jrue. LA teams and a few others as lesser chance options.

I just don't see Utah acquiring Jrue; it's not the right direction for this stage of roster construction. Even if they considered it, it would be a failure of negotiation to add value on top of Sexton to do it.

There could be better moves out there for Utah for sure.

I think Austin being around him for 2 years and seeing the day to day impact helps. You’d have to believe the “we’re done tanking” and want to start getting better thing. They were interested in him when he was traded from POR to BOS originally, and a penchant for ex Celtics lately… so there’s at least a little something there.

I don’t know if adding him makes you a playoff team or anything, but that’s probably good for one last year. Or it’s the first of a few trades that does get you there. Either way, you at least start building habits, etc.

It’s kinda the Tobias Harris type of move, but you don’t really have Cade so I can see the hesitancy. But, you do have some good players and picks / salary to add at least one more beyond Jrue.

Dallas is probably the cleanest fit, though.

[Jojothewhale]

I feel like Morey is going to look to be active.

PG, 3, McCain for Booker, Dunn

The reliable local reporters keep saying Morey is open for business to go up or down, but they're not trading out of this lottery. The goal is to get younger and more athletic.

[zimpy27]

I've been saying for a while that Suns should consider a stretch waive of Beal this summer.

Now that they didn't get any salary saving from Durant trade I think it really could happen.

Suns can drop $23m below tax line by S+W of Beal and the waiving of Martin, Richards and Micic.

Suns could open NT-MLE for a starting C while resetting the repeater.

Booker, Green, Brooks, Dunn, MLE
Tyus, Allen, O'Neale, Bol, #10
Monte, Oso, #29, #59, #60

[Bornstellar]

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Good move for SA coaching staff wise. Really hope our defensive philosophy changes big time next season

[Texas Chuck]

Ugh. Loss for Dallas.

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[jayjaysee]

Was kind of hoping Kidd went to NY and he got a shot here.

[jayjaysee]

Would Lakers trade Rui for Brook Lopez this summer?

Triggering a hard cap at first apron, but yeah.. can dump Maxi or Vincent to open up room for MLE after. And they maintain their future picks for next offseason when they can trade 2 future firsts and the 2026 first?

Not suggesting Rui to Milwaukee*

Or is it better with Maxi/stack of seconds for Lopez? And figuring out how to dump some salary after?

[nzahir]

I just don't see how Jrue makes sense for Lakers. Lakers have enough playmaking with Reaves/Luka/Lebron..

Vando/DFS/Gabe/Goodwin/Bronny fill in the defense from guard to wing.

Rui/Knecht/Kleber are the pieces to use to get a starting C. Use TaxMLE to get backup C.

The candidates that this package can afford:
Ayton, Porzingis, Claxton, Vucevic

Whats wrong with more guys who can handle the ball and attack closeouts and make good plays?

Jrue is still a good defender and that is the purpose here

Gabe and Maxi would be the worst players in these finals and are neutrals to slight positives due to being expirings
Vando is a negative and a 1 sided player

I only want Jrue though if we cant get a better POA defender/wing defender and our C options are cheap

If we can get Boston to give up a late 1st for dumping Jrue and giving them Rui, then I would hope 2 1sts, Knecht, removing protection on 27, and adding a swap in 28 and 30 would be enough for Kessler

Luka, Jrue, DFS, Bron, Kessler
Reaves, Vando, Kleber

Mle on a stretch 4/5 like Horford or Jaylin Williams or a wing?

On this board, you get 28 with Jrue. But BOS has been saying the other way - they want a pick to give him up. Could obviously be posturing, but Stevens doesn't really tend to do that much. He really values Jrue and we always have the nuclear option to get under the 2nd apron rather than take a bad deal or pay to move Jrue. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to a tpe elsewhere does the trick.

My gut is something like Jrue, 28 to UTA for Sexton, Martin and 21. And... honestly I'm not sure we send 28 (or 32). BOS would flip Sexton to a 3rd team either in the deal, or as a followup. I know everyone will say that's insane overpay, but I think Austin Ainge knows the price and wants Jrue to show his young guys and #5 how to win. Main hangup, I think, would be if Jrue just doesn't want to go to a non-contender, I doubt Stevens sends him somewhere he doesn't want to be.

I think it's UTA or DAL for Jrue. LA teams and a few others as lesser chance options.

Definitely not getting a pick back for Jrue with that deal

Stretching KP out and sending out Hauser seems like a horrible idea

You guys having a stretch 5 helps your offense a lot, losing KP would be a mistake, especially with Horford gone possibly/retiring possibly

No reason for Utah to want Jrue

Jrue should be the odd man out imo

But he is a negative deal, at best he gets you some expirings and a meh/negative deal

Clips could go Bogdanovic, Derrick Jones Jr, Eubanks/Dunn, and filler for Jrue

But I think they may ask for something small back there as well like 28th pick

[djFan71]

Whats wrong with more guys who can handle the ball and attack closeouts and make good plays?

Jrue is still a good defender and that is the purpose here

Gabe and Maxi would be the worst players in these finals and are neutrals to slight positives due to being expirings
Vando is a negative and a 1 sided player

I only want Jrue though if we cant get a better POA defender/wing defender and our C options are cheap

If we can get Boston to give up a late 1st for dumping Jrue and giving them Rui, then I would hope 2 1sts, Knecht, removing protection on 27, and adding a swap in 28 and 30 would be enough for Kessler

Luka, Jrue, DFS, Bron, Kessler
Reaves, Vando, Kleber

Mle on a stretch 4/5 like Horford or Jaylin Williams or a wing?

On this board, you get 28 with Jrue. But BOS has been saying the other way - they want a pick to give him up. Could obviously be posturing, but Stevens doesn't really tend to do that much. He really values Jrue and we always have the nuclear option to get under the 2nd apron rather than take a bad deal or pay to move Jrue. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to a tpe elsewhere does the trick.

My gut is something like Jrue, 28 to UTA for Sexton, Martin and 21. And... honestly I'm not sure we send 28 (or 32). BOS would flip Sexton to a 3rd team either in the deal, or as a followup. I know everyone will say that's insane overpay, but I think Austin Ainge knows the price and wants Jrue to show his young guys and #5 how to win. Main hangup, I think, would be if Jrue just doesn't want to go to a non-contender, I doubt Stevens sends him somewhere he doesn't want to be.

I think it's UTA or DAL for Jrue. LA teams and a few others as lesser chance options.

Definitely not getting a pick back for Jrue with that deal

Stretching KP out and sending out Hauser seems like a horrible idea

You guys having a stretch 5 helps your offense a lot, losing KP would be a mistake, especially with Horford gone possibly/retiring possibly

No reason for Utah to want Jrue

Jrue should be the odd man out imo

But he is a negative deal, at best he gets you some expirings and a meh/negative deal

Clips could go Bogdanovic, Derrick Jones Jr, Eubanks/Dunn, and filler for Jrue

But I think they may ask for something small back there as well like 28th pick

It's about options. Stretching KP is one of the last ones, but it's there. So, it gives you a little more ability to say not to bad Jrue offers.

And, I just flat out disagree Jrue is negative. Sure, he'll be overpaid towards the end, but not as badly as people here make it out to be. And he is the one BOS will look to move first (and Hauser), but there is still a list of teams that are interested in him. Some may just be trying to steal him, but they'll drop off and the ones offering a fair deal will win out.

That said, your last deal with Clips is actually a pretty good return, imo. Probably better than my Utah one.

[Scoot McGroot]

Well, ****.

Thank God, Indiana already got their 2026 1st back….

[daoneandonly]

Doesn't a deal around AD for Booker just make sense for both? Dallas has too many bugs, Phx too many Sgs. For a franchise who seemed to enjoy sticking it to Luka, getting Booker would be the ultimate dig

[K_chile22]

Shorten the season man