2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[dubasilva]

It appears the front office wanted KD far less than fans did. Why? We may never know. But it turns out that "only at our price" thing was very real

To sell tickets and merchandise. It is a business of basketball.

[fincane30]

It appears the front office wanted KD far less than fans did. Why? We may never know. But it turns out that "only at our price" thing was very real

I think they just thought they had it in the bag, and that the other teams in the running were lowballing as well as far as talent/real assets. So they didn't feel the need to offer more. Turns out they were very wrong (which is still not something to let slide as fans).

Doubt that they didn't know. Phoenix was trying to extract a price. They woulda told Miami what they were competing against and what they needed to do to beat it. Miami didn't want to.

[Lennyzinho]

It all came down to the 10th pick. This draft is just too deep, they could still get someone like Jase, Fears, or Clifford in that range.

If we had the 10th pick, KD would’ve been a lock for the Heat, no matter who was going out in the deal.

Im not trading the 10th pick for 37 year old KD.

Houston couldve had that a done deal for Jalen Green alone along with matching contracts. Phoenix fleeced them, used us as leverage.

Jalen Green in the open market could get you 3 unprotected firsts. We are talking about a young star guard with explosiveness and athleticism like Anthony Edwards and has not peaked.

It makes sense for Houston as the 2nd seed, they’re just one piece away.

KD is more valuable to them than the 10th pick and Green has been their weakest link this postseason. Houston win imo.

Exactly. You give up assets to get a chance at a ring.
You dont give up multiple future assets and young core players for 2nd round exits and a tiny hope if things go our way we make it to ECF or Finals.

Most of us were on board that if price is right, you absolutely get durant to make team better and more competitive and still have some assets to maybe make a move at the deadline if someone is available.

You dont trade multiple firsts and jovic and jjj and ware unless it's for 30 yo durant or you're just one piece away. It was the right trade for Houston and phx and Miami.

I know the lack of direction is frustrating and the whole Jimmy trade fiasco and then not tanking was idiotic when the opportunity was RIGHT THERE, so its hard to trust this FO. But this was the right move imo.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It appears the front office wanted KD far less than fans did. Why? We may never know. But it turns out that "only at our price" thing was very real

I think they just thought they had it in the bag, and that the other teams in the running were lowballing as well as far as talent/real assets. So they didn't feel the need to offer more. Turns out they were very wrong (which is still not something to let slide as fans).

I think it may have been the opposite. They really didn't care if they got KD or not.

The way they been pumping JJJ and Jovic on Heat socials it almost feels like they are untouchable lol.

[VaDe255]

Omg Haliburton just tore his Achilles, holy **** man

Just shows how these injuries are really random, age doesn't matter
If it really is Achilles, that is another team down in the East next year

[fincane30]

Unserious offer. The fact that they refused to include Jovic is unreal as well... if you're keeping Ware WHY are you holding onto your bench 4 man? should be 1 of the easiest value pieces to offer. at least you can argue that Jaquez would be needed as a wing

Houston hung on to their bench 4 in Jabari Smith. He sat behind Thompson in the back half of the year. He will behind KD now as Thompson bumps down to the 3

Sengun Smith Durant FVV Thompson is the new starting lineup

Probably. There is a lack of ball handling in that starting lineup and no can really create their own shot besides KD. But I doubt they start Sheppard. That back court would be small

[SoFlaKingReal]

Omg Haliburton just tore his Achilles, holy **** man

Just shows how these injuries are really random, age doesn't matter
If it really is Achilles, that is another team down in the East next year

Probably still better than the Heat though. McConnell is no joke and Heat are...not good.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Omg Haliburton just tore his Achilles, holy **** man

Just shows how these injuries are really random, age doesn't matter
If it really is Achilles, that is another team down in the East next year

That wasn't really random....he has a serious calf injury and risked severe injury by playing. Still absolutely gut-wrenching.

[VaDe255]

Omg Haliburton just tore his Achilles, holy **** man

Just shows how these injuries are really random, age doesn't matter
If it really is Achilles, that is another team down in the East next year

Probably still better than the Heat though. McConnell is no joke and Heat are...not good.

If Hali is out, the Heat are better.
Pacers expected record was 46 wins, Heats was 42, Heat really low rolled and should have won more games, happens sometimes.

This team not as bad as media and some Heat fans believe.

[Shewasfly]

It appears the front office wanted KD far less than fans did. Why? We may never know. But it turns out that "only at our price" thing was very real

I think they just thought they had it in the bag, and that the other teams in the running were lowballing as well as far as talent/real assets. So they didn't feel the need to offer more. Turns out they were very wrong (which is still not something to let slide as fans).

Doubt that they didn't know. Phoenix was trying to extract a price. They woulda told Miami what they were competing against and what they needed to do to beat it. Miami didn't want to.

I don't think they would tell them. Negotiations are rarely that transparent. You depend on both sides bidding against each other and raising the price without actually knowing what the other team's price is.

Even if they did know though, it wouldn't make much sense to categorize that as the Heat not wanting KD very much. If anything it'd be better categorized as saying we had nothing talent-wise to offer to compete with a package that included the #10 pick (and that doesn't even include Jalen).

[SoFlaKingReal]

KD or not, I think everyone on here can agree that Riley needs to step down.

Is there anyone on this board that wants Riley to stay versus retire right now

Riley is the human meat shield for everyone and I'm sure he doesn't mind being the guy who gets hits with all the barbs. But is has been reported consistently that this isn't one man operation. Nick Arison is involved, Andy and Spo. They all along with others get a say.

I hear ya, but I think this team needs a fresh vision. I don't know who needs to be replaced for that to take hold.

That is from a frustrated fan's perspective. Although, I cant imagine Arison was happy about Riley and Co. not being able to get out of the tax this year though.

[MettaWorldPanda]

East is so wide open that getting someone like Holliday in here could have a Lowry like impact. I’m sure he’ll end up on the Clippers

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Omg Haliburton just tore his Achilles, holy **** man

Just shows how these injuries are really random, age doesn't matter
If it really is Achilles, that is another team down in the East next year

Hate to say it but have to point it out once again, it is best to field the best roster you possibly can because you NEVER know what is going to happen. We saw it last year in the playoffs with the Celtics cake walk due to injuries, we’re seeing it again this post season. You just can’t predict what is going to happen and now 3 of the top teams in the East next season are basically out of it before the season even begins due to Tatum, Lillard, and Haliburton Achilles tears.

But hey, at least we kept Jovic out of the KD discussions

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Omg Haliburton just tore his Achilles, holy **** man

Just shows how these injuries are really random, age doesn't matter
If it really is Achilles, that is another team down in the East next year

Probably still better than the Heat though. McConnell is no joke and Heat are...not good.

Not better than the Heat with KD swapped out for role players

[3ammy3uck3ts]

East is so wide open that getting someone like Holliday in here could have a Lowry like impact. I’m sure he’ll end up on the Clippers

Dude we’re not sealing the deal on anyone worthwhile, I’ve given up.

[SoFlaKingReal]

FYI, we aren't adding any impact player(s) this off-season.

Idk who still needs to hear that lol

[MartyCONLONNN]

Jesus it really was this: Wiggins, Rozier, Jaquez, Highsmith and the 20th pick

Holy lowball...

Unserious offer. The fact that they refused to include Jovic is unreal as well... if you're keeping Ware WHY are you holding onto your bench 4 man? should be 1 of the easiest value pieces to offer. at least you can argue that Jaquez would be needed as a wing

Houston hung on to their bench 4 in Jabari Smith. He sat behind Thompson in the back half of the year. He will behind KD now as Thompson bumps down to the 3

not sure what you are saying but it is wrong - also Jabari is a far better prospect than Jovic so why even compare? Smith will start alongside KD. Amen will start at the 2. Also they have enough dynamic young defenders to switch things up in terms of "positions"

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I wonder if we would’ve been more inclined to offer more if this deal waited until tomorrow after we saw Haliburton go down.

[fincane30]

I think they just thought they had it in the bag, and that the other teams in the running were lowballing as well as far as talent/real assets. So they didn't feel the need to offer more. Turns out they were very wrong (which is still not something to let slide as fans).

Doubt that they didn't know. Phoenix was trying to extract a price. They woulda told Miami what they were competing against and what they needed to do to beat it. Miami didn't want to.

I don't think they would tell them. Negotiations are rarely that transparent. You depend on both sides bidding against each other and raising the price without actually knowing what the other team's price is.

Even if they did know though, it wouldn't make much sense to categorize that as the Heat not wanting KD very much. If anything it'd be better categorized as saying we had nothing talent-wise to offer to compete with a package that included the #10 pick (and that doesn't even include Jalen).

The Heat could've offered Ware and Jovic if they were desperate for KD and throw in an extra first rounder. That would've beaten Houston's final offer. They gave them Wiggins and Rozier to match salary and the "assets" were Jaime coming off a bad year, Highsmith(who is going into his final year of a deal) and the 20th pick. That is not a team operating like they had any stomach for any type of bidding war. They wanted him in the way the Spurs did. "Sure if you're just gonna give him to us, we'll take him"

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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