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[HeatFanLifer]

No he didn't. He's the main reason it got here. He pulled out of the Obama deal. If he hadn't there wouldn't be need for a new deal.

The JCPOA was a stop gag measure that required more diplomacy. The JCPOA had two milestones one was transition day and one was termination day.

In short — the core nuclear restrictions lasted until October 2023 (transition day), while the legal framework (including snap‑back sanctions) stayed in force until October 18,  2025 (termination day). Source (UN Resolution 2231).

They were complying. So had the deal stayed in place, even after it ended Iran would have been further away from a bomb than it was in place.
If goal was to stop them from getting one. Then you don't pull out. Cuz guess what happened when they did, Iran started enriching to a higher level

And once the deal ended, you renegotiate another deal.

That's how the arms treaty with the russians work. There's a deal for certain amount of time and then when it needs new talks begin

Oreon, maybe you have different info from me but this is from June 12 straight off the UN website “Atomic watchdog says Iran not complying with nuclear safeguards.” Is your point they were complying before Trump introduxed snapback sanctions in 2020? Snapback sanctions were part of the treaty. Just clarify a little for me please where you are coming from cuz there’s a lot of different things we can assume and I want to make sure we are talking about the same stuff based around the agreement on the same facts. Lots of misinformation out there is warping everyone’s minds, myself included.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

[oreon]

The JCPOA was a stop gag measure that required more diplomacy. The JCPOA had two milestones one was transition day and one was termination day.

In short — the core nuclear restrictions lasted until October 2023 (transition day), while the legal framework (including snap‑back sanctions) stayed in force until October 18,  2025 (termination day). Source (UN Resolution 2231).

They were complying. So had the deal stayed in place, even after it ended Iran would have been further away from a bomb than it was in place.
If goal was to stop them from getting one. Then you don't pull out. Cuz guess what happened when they did, Iran started enriching to a higher level

And once the deal ended, you renegotiate another deal.

That's how the arms treaty with the russians work. There's a deal for certain amount of time and then when it needs new talks begin

Oreon, maybe you have different info from me but this is from June 12 straight off the UN website “Atomic watchdog says Iran not complying with nuclear safeguards.” Is your point they were complying before Trump introduxed snapback sanctions in 2020? Snapback sanctions were part of the treaty. Just clarify a little for me please where you are coming from cuz there’s a lot of different things we can assume and I want to make sure we are talking about the same stuff based around the agreement on the same facts. Lots of misinformation out there is warping everyone’s minds, myself included.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

https://thebulletin.org/2025/06/a-simple-timeline-of-irans-nuclear-program/

They were complying then Trump put the sanctions back on and killed their general

[HeatFanLifer]

They were complying. So had the deal stayed in place, even after it ended Iran would have been further away from a bomb than it was in place.
If goal was to stop them from getting one. Then you don't pull out. Cuz guess what happened when they did, Iran started enriching to a higher level

And once the deal ended, you renegotiate another deal.

That's how the arms treaty with the russians work. There's a deal for certain amount of time and then when it needs new talks begin

Oreon, maybe you have different info from me but this is from June 12 straight off the UN website “Atomic watchdog says Iran not complying with nuclear safeguards.” Is your point they were complying before Trump introduxed snapback sanctions in 2020? Snapback sanctions were part of the treaty. Just clarify a little for me please where you are coming from cuz there’s a lot of different things we can assume and I want to make sure we are talking about the same stuff based around the agreement on the same facts. Lots of misinformation out there is warping everyone’s minds, myself included.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

https://thebulletin.org/2025/06/a-simple-timeline-of-irans-nuclear-program/

They were complying then Trump put the sanctions back on and killed their general

It seems like we’re talking about two different things then. Trump tried diplomacy right now in 2025. If you are referring to 2020, well there were five years for Iran to re-engage on making a new deal. If you are saying the Soleimani take down was the casus belli for Iran to build a nuke, then I suggest you look up Iranian acts of aggression, including on US soil (Salman Rushdi attack in NY).

We can go furthwr into the past such as the coup in Iran during the 1950’s (Operation Ajax) that lead to anti-American sentiment. But we can’t change the past. We can only deal with current situations. I trust Trump that the time to act was now and like I said from the start, I don’t know if he was right cuz I don’t have access to all the info he has.

Time will tell what seeds have been sown. I hope it’s flowers.

[oreon]

Oreon, maybe you have different info from me but this is from June 12 straight off the UN website “Atomic watchdog says Iran not complying with nuclear safeguards.” Is your point they were complying before Trump introduxed snapback sanctions in 2020? Snapback sanctions were part of the treaty. Just clarify a little for me please where you are coming from cuz there’s a lot of different things we can assume and I want to make sure we are talking about the same stuff based around the agreement on the same facts. Lots of misinformation out there is warping everyone’s minds, myself included.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

https://thebulletin.org/2025/06/a-simple-timeline-of-irans-nuclear-program/

They were complying then Trump put the sanctions back on and killed their general

It seems like we’re talking about two different things then. Trump tried diplomacy right now in 2025. If you are referring to 2020, well there were five years for Iran to re-engage on making a new deal. If you are saying the Soleimani take down was the casus belli for Iran to build a nuke, then I suggest you look up Iranian acts of aggression, including on US soil (Salman Rushdi attack in NY).

We can go furthwr into the past such as the coup in Iran during the 1950’s (Operation Ajax) that lead to anti-American sentiment. But we can’t change the past. We can only deal with current situations. I trust Trump that the time to act was now and like I said from the start, I don’t know if he was right cuz I don’t have access to all the info he has.

Time will tell what seeds have been sown. I hope it’s flowers.

But you really haven't addressed my point.
Iran was complying with the deal. They enriched after Trump pulled out of the deal. They waited a bit then the final catalyst for them to be enriching at a higher level was the assassination. Yeah he was a bad dude. But we know for a fact Russia had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan, that doesn't mean US will assassinate a Russian general.

The assassination was an unnecessary risk for no reason. He bet then that Iran wouldn't really escalate. But what if they did, would US be willing to go to war over that. They didn't. But that wasn't worth the risk

This is just a fact, that can't be argued. If Trump kept Obama's deal in place Iran would have been further from a bomb then they were now before the attack. They were complying

[HeatFanLifer]

But you really haven't addressed my point.
Iran was complying with the deal. They enriched after Trump pulled out of the deal. They waited a bit then the final catalyst for them to be enriching at a higher level was the assassination. Yeah he was a bad dude. But we know for a fact Russia had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan, that doesn't mean US will assassinate a Russian general.

The assassination was an unnecessary risk for no reason. He bet then that Iran wouldn't really escalate. But what if they did, would US be willing to go to war over that. They didn't. But that wasn't worth the risk

This is just a fact, that can't be argued. If Trump kept Obama's deal in place Iran would have been further from a bomb then they were now before the attack. They were complying

I did address it.
1) I said they were not in compliance as of June 12, 2025 and cited the UN Report noting it.
2) I also noted Obama’s JCPOA was a short term deal and provided the dates of expiration.

You then started talking about 2020 and the Soleimani execution. Not looking to go down that debate as there’s a lot of “what ifs”. I am specifically talking about 2025 and that I trust Trump exhausted diplomatic options before taking action in 2025. If you disagree because of what happened in 2020, that’s fine. Not looking to prove you wrong, just saying my opinion.

[oreon]

But you really haven't addressed my point.
Iran was complying with the deal. They enriched after Trump pulled out of the deal. They waited a bit then the final catalyst for them to be enriching at a higher level was the assassination. Yeah he was a bad dude. But we know for a fact Russia had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan, that doesn't mean US will assassinate a Russian general.

The assassination was an unnecessary risk for no reason. He bet then that Iran wouldn't really escalate. But what if they did, would US be willing to go to war over that. They didn't. But that wasn't worth the risk

This is just a fact, that can't be argued. If Trump kept Obama's deal in place Iran would have been further from a bomb then they were now before the attack. They were complying

I did address it.
1) I said they were not in compliance as of June 12, 2025 and cited the UN Report noting it.
2) I also noted Obama’s JCPOA was a short term deal and provided the dates of expiration.

You then started talking about 2020 and the Soleimani execution. Not looking to go down that debate as there’s a lot of “what ifs”. I am specifically talking about 2025 and that I trust Trump exhausted diplomatic options before taking action in 2025. If you disagree because of what happened in 2020, that’s fine. Not looking to prove you wrong, just saying my opinion.

June 2025 ? C'mon. That was way after Trump pulled out of the deal. Why would Iran be in compliance with no sanctions relief. The deal was sanction relief for limit on enrichment. Once Trump put the sanctions back on, deal was dead. Why would Iran still comply if US is not honoring their side of the deal ? Them in compliance makes no sense

And again once the deal ended you renegotiate. But if that deal was in place by the time it ended, you would have had plenty time of time to try and get a new deal without resorting to military action.

Not all treaties are forever. Like NAFTA, the US Russia nuclear armament treaties. They are set for a duration. Then when they ended the sides renegotiate a new deal. The US and Iran were always going to talk about a new deal once JCPOA was near its end

The only thing accomplished when Trump pulled out JCPOA was getting Iran closer to a bomb

[Vertical Limit]

Seems like the republican party is very split about the decision Trump made yesterday.

The old school republicans congratulated trump

The MAGA party is completely split in half about this issue, the Trump can never do wrong party is now convinced this is part of “America First” while the other side of MAGA now says they didnt realize they had voted Netanyahu as their president and they have jew fatigue.

Midterms is going to be interesting.


As an independent and not a fan of Trump, borderline hater of Trump… i think 10 years down the line Trump’s decision will be remembered as the turning point of the middle east and this will be one of Trump’s biggest triumps of his presidency.

People are a little hot right now because its fresh.. but make no mistake this will be seen as necessary.

They got in, they got out. Unfortunately there will be some consequences to the US, there may be some attacks and even terrorist attacks domestically, some may be caused by americans that hate jewish people. I hope the country has prepared to defend the citizens here, the churches, the neighborhoods of muslim and jewish people.

Just saw a video of a man that attempted a mass shooting today at a church in Michigan, the security of the church fatally shot that man and that man only caused an injury to one.

Those are the things the country has to watch out for now.


What i find pathetic are all these countries condemning what Trump did, like the european countries and Canada. Please, you all secretly are celebrating this moment but dont have the cojones to say it.

[BadMofoPimp]

The way I look see it, USA would have bombed Iran regardless of who is president. We were already heading down that path.

[Shewasfly]

The way I see, it probably dies down in a few weeks. Israel owns Iran's skies, so Iran can't afford this war indefinitely. They probably take the L and try to rebuild.

I think this is a dangerous way of looking at it, yet it's unfortunately how our government mostly does look at things. "We are the biggest and most powerful nation, we can always do what we want because no one can f with us militarily."

However, it does not take being able to go against us indefinitely to cause irreparable harm to us as a nation. See 9/11. Now I was only a little girl when that happened so I'm not acting like I have some crazy first hand experience, but I imagine building up the intense hatred that these types of acts cause in the ME makes it a lot easier to recruit to terrorist organizations. The ones that don't care about any harm coming to them, as long as they can inflict the type of pain they feel the US is constantly inflicting on them.

I just think its only so much bullying, and interfering with the sovereignty of "weaker" nations that they are going to take.

[Shewasfly]

The way I look see it, USA would have bombed Iran regardless of who is president. We were already heading down that path.

No we weren't. There was an agreement in place to stop Iran from proliferation that was a huge win for Obama. Trump got out of it because half of his agenda is just to undo what Obama/Biden did before him, even if its literally just to reestablish the exact same thing but to claim credit for it.

[BadMofoPimp]

The way I look see it, USA would have bombed Iran regardless of who is president. We were already heading down that path.

No we weren't. There was an agreement in place to stop Iran from proliferation that was a huge win for Obama. Trump got out of it because half of his agenda is just to undo what Obama/Biden did before him, even if its literally just to reestablish the exact same thing but to claim credit for it.

Either way, Iran was still intending to build Nukes. So, what is your point? This was going to happen at some point regardless. Iran was never going to give it up and were still working around Obama's deal being they didn't let anyone on Iranian soil to prove otherwise. Even Biden knew that.

[Vertical Limit]

Gotta say Trump has too many moments like this

https://www.instagram.com/share/_aiv9Ddt1?fhid=X2FpdjlEZHQx

[Shewasfly]

The way I look see it, USA would have bombed Iran regardless of who is president. We were already heading down that path.

No we weren't. There was an agreement in place to stop Iran from proliferation that was a huge win for Obama. Trump got out of it because half of his agenda is just to undo what Obama/Biden did before him, even if its literally just to reestablish the exact same thing but to claim credit for it.

Either way, Iran was still intending to build Nukes. So, what is your point? This was going to happen at some point regardless. Iran was never going to give it up and were still working around Obama's deal being they didn't let anyone on Iranian soil to prove otherwise. Even Biden knew that.

There's zero evidence of this. 4 whole years of Biden under no nuclear deal (because, again, Trump killed it) and no bombing of Iran. Now, 6 months into Trump's presidency and the "dove" is bombing Iran on behalf of Israel and without any semblance of congressional approval. But yeah, it would have happened anyway.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who have been played every which way by Trump will become something we hear a lot. "It would have happened anyway". That will be the response for every horrific action he takes. Somehow, without evidence, his supporters will confidently say it would have happened with any other president too, even though we have actual evidence that it didn't.

[BadMofoPimp]

No we weren't. There was an agreement in place to stop Iran from proliferation that was a huge win for Obama. Trump got out of it because half of his agenda is just to undo what Obama/Biden did before him, even if its literally just to reestablish the exact same thing but to claim credit for it.

Either way, Iran was still intending to build Nukes. So, what is your point? This was going to happen at some point regardless. Iran was never going to give it up and were still working around Obama's deal being they didn't let anyone on Iranian soil to prove otherwise. Even Biden knew that.

There's zero evidence of this. 4 whole years of Biden under no nuclear deal (because, again, Trump killed it) and no bombing of Iran. Now, 6 months into Trump's presidency and the "dove" is bombing Iran on behalf of Israel and without any semblance of congressional approval. But yeah, it would have happened anyway.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who have been played every which way by Trump will become something we hear a lot. "It would have happened anyway". That will be the response for every horrific action he takes. Somehow, without evidence, his supporters will confidently say it would have happened with any other president too, even though we have actual evidence that it didn't.

I am no fan of Trump, but just watching the world events while Iran has in no way been truthful nor compliant. They have been agnostic at all times threatening everyone with destruction. Is the world just supposed to sit by while Iran and their proxies keep threatening and attacking our allies. Nope. If Biden was president right now, USA would still have bombed. Iran had zero intentions of honoring Obama's deal, period and never even tried. If they had as you insist, they would have allowed nuclear testers onto their land from the beginning of which they never did. I get it, you hate and despise Trump like the rest of us, but Iran has brought upon this themselves.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who hate the one they lost to. If Biden or Harris won and the USA bombed Iran, I would expect the same exact rationalization from right wingers. Sounds to me like you are just looking for a scapegoat to blame like many liberals and far right wingers do.

[Shewasfly]

Either way, Iran was still intending to build Nukes. So, what is your point? This was going to happen at some point regardless. Iran was never going to give it up and were still working around Obama's deal being they didn't let anyone on Iranian soil to prove otherwise. Even Biden knew that.

There's zero evidence of this. 4 whole years of Biden under no nuclear deal (because, again, Trump killed it) and no bombing of Iran. Now, 6 months into Trump's presidency and the "dove" is bombing Iran on behalf of Israel and without any semblance of congressional approval. But yeah, it would have happened anyway.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who have been played every which way by Trump will become something we hear a lot. "It would have happened anyway". That will be the response for every horrific action he takes. Somehow, without evidence, his supporters will confidently say it would have happened with any other president too, even though we have actual evidence that it didn't.

I am no fan of Trump, but just watching the world events while Iran has in no way been truthful nor compliant. They have been agnostic at all times threatening everyone with destruction. Is the world just supposed to sit by while Iran and their proxies keep threatening and attacking our allies. Nope. If Biden was president right now, USA would still have bombed. Iran had zero intentions of honoring Obama's deal, period and never even tried. If they had as you insist, they would have allowed nuclear testers onto their land from the beginning of which they never did. I get it, you hate and despise Trump like the rest of us, but Iran has brought upon this themselves.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who hate the one they lost to. If Biden or Harris won and the USA bombed Iran, I would expect the same exact rationalization from right wingers. Sounds to me like you are just looking for a scapegoat to blame like many liberals and far right wingers do.

How many Iranians are you comfortable letting into our top secret sites to let them make sure we don't have any warheads pointed their way?
Hopefully you realize that these countries are sovereign nations just as we are. Treaties typically meet in a middle ground between the two parties, and aren't just 100% everything one side wants.

Your attempt to both sides this issue also makes zero sense.
There is no evidence to believe the 4 years of Biden not bombing Iran would have led to the Dems suddenly deciding to this time around.
There is no evidence to believe they would have done it without any congressional approval.
There is no evidence that they would have magically decided to do so right after Israel bombed them unprovoked. In fact Israel had been goading every other former president and none bit. Only Trump.

Again, you have zero evidence of what you're saying, just vibes. "It would have been the same, because I said it would". Its okay to not want to hold the Republicans accountable for their actions to justify your vote (or perhaps non-vote) but you still have to back up your assertions.

The one fact we have that no one can dispute is that Trump/the Republicans just bombed Iran. The immediately rush by people like yourself to say "it would have happened anyway" is unfounded and an obvious diversion tactic to pull criticism from those who factually took the action (Trump/the Republicans).

[BadMofoPimp]

There's zero evidence of this. 4 whole years of Biden under no nuclear deal (because, again, Trump killed it) and no bombing of Iran. Now, 6 months into Trump's presidency and the "dove" is bombing Iran on behalf of Israel and without any semblance of congressional approval. But yeah, it would have happened anyway.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who have been played every which way by Trump will become something we hear a lot. "It would have happened anyway". That will be the response for every horrific action he takes. Somehow, without evidence, his supporters will confidently say it would have happened with any other president too, even though we have actual evidence that it didn't.

I am no fan of Trump, but just watching the world events while Iran has in no way been truthful nor compliant. They have been agnostic at all times threatening everyone with destruction. Is the world just supposed to sit by while Iran and their proxies keep threatening and attacking our allies. Nope. If Biden was president right now, USA would still have bombed. Iran had zero intentions of honoring Obama's deal, period and never even tried. If they had as you insist, they would have allowed nuclear testers onto their land from the beginning of which they never did. I get it, you hate and despise Trump like the rest of us, but Iran has brought upon this themselves.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who hate the one they lost to. If Biden or Harris won and the USA bombed Iran, I would expect the same exact rationalization from right wingers. Sounds to me like you are just looking for a scapegoat to blame like many liberals and far right wingers do.

How many Iranians are you comfortable letting into our top secret sites to let them make sure we don't have any warheads pointed their way?
Hopefully you realize that these countries are sovereign nations just as we are. Treaties typically meet in a middle ground between the two parties, and aren't just 100% everything one side wants.

Your attempt to both sides this issue also makes zero sense.
There is no evidence to believe the 4 years of Biden not bombing Iran would have led to the Dems suddenly deciding to this time around.
There is no evidence to believe they would have done it without any congressional approval.
There is no evidence that they would have magically decided to do so right after Israel bombed them unprovoked. In fact Israel had been goading every other former president and none bit. Only Trump.

Again, you have zero evidence of what you're saying, just vibes. "It would have been the same, because I said it would". Its okay to not want to hold the Republicans accountable for their actions to justify your vote (or perhaps non-vote) but you still have to back up your assertions.

The one fact we have that no one can dispute is that Trump/the Republicans just bombed Iran. The immediately rush by people like yourself to say "it would have happened anyway" is unfounded and an obvious diversion tactic to pull criticism from those who factually took the action (Trump/the Republicans).

For one, USA would not be setting foot on Iranian soil, but a delegate of the nations under treaty.

Secondly, Biden didn't have to deal with escalating tensions to the point where Iran and Israel were bombing each other. With Iran continually threatening to annihilate Israel and the USA, this is a different scenario than Biden observed. Besides, the Military has the say in this thus I feel it doesn't matter who is president, only in the minds of the sheep (People).

Third: Iran NEVER attempted to honor Obama's peace agreement.

Again, you have zero evidence of what you're saying, just vibes. Your hatred of Trump or anything Trump related would make your opinions invalid because you are acting on emotion.

[oreon]

Either way, Iran was still intending to build Nukes. So, what is your point? This was going to happen at some point regardless. Iran was never going to give it up and were still working around Obama's deal being they didn't let anyone on Iranian soil to prove otherwise. Even Biden knew that.

There's zero evidence of this. 4 whole years of Biden under no nuclear deal (because, again, Trump killed it) and no bombing of Iran. Now, 6 months into Trump's presidency and the "dove" is bombing Iran on behalf of Israel and without any semblance of congressional approval. But yeah, it would have happened anyway.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who have been played every which way by Trump will become something we hear a lot. "It would have happened anyway". That will be the response for every horrific action he takes. Somehow, without evidence, his supporters will confidently say it would have happened with any other president too, even though we have actual evidence that it didn't.

I am no fan of Trump, but just watching the world events while Iran has in no way been truthful nor compliant. They have been agnostic at all times threatening everyone with destruction. Is the world just supposed to sit by while Iran and their proxies keep threatening and attacking our allies. Nope. If Biden was president right now, USA would still have bombed. Iran had zero intentions of honoring Obama's deal, period and never even tried. If they had as you insist, they would have allowed nuclear testers onto their land from the beginning of which they never did. I get it, you hate and despise Trump like the rest of us, but Iran has brought upon this themselves.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who hate the one they lost to. If Biden or Harris won and the USA bombed Iran, I would expect the same exact rationalization from right wingers. Sounds to me like you are just looking for a scapegoat to blame like many liberals and far right wingers do.

This isn't true. Iran honored the deal till Trump pulled out. This is a fact.

[BadMofoPimp]

There's zero evidence of this. 4 whole years of Biden under no nuclear deal (because, again, Trump killed it) and no bombing of Iran. Now, 6 months into Trump's presidency and the "dove" is bombing Iran on behalf of Israel and without any semblance of congressional approval. But yeah, it would have happened anyway.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who have been played every which way by Trump will become something we hear a lot. "It would have happened anyway". That will be the response for every horrific action he takes. Somehow, without evidence, his supporters will confidently say it would have happened with any other president too, even though we have actual evidence that it didn't.

I am no fan of Trump, but just watching the world events while Iran has in no way been truthful nor compliant. They have been agnostic at all times threatening everyone with destruction. Is the world just supposed to sit by while Iran and their proxies keep threatening and attacking our allies. Nope. If Biden was president right now, USA would still have bombed. Iran had zero intentions of honoring Obama's deal, period and never even tried. If they had as you insist, they would have allowed nuclear testers onto their land from the beginning of which they never did. I get it, you hate and despise Trump like the rest of us, but Iran has brought upon this themselves.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who hate the one they lost to. If Biden or Harris won and the USA bombed Iran, I would expect the same exact rationalization from right wingers. Sounds to me like you are just looking for a scapegoat to blame like many liberals and far right wingers do.

This isn't true. Iran honored the deal till Trump pulled out. This is a fact.

Iran allowed Nuclear testers to verify they were enriching Uranium solely for Power? Iran has been flexing their muscles for a while now threatening much of the middle east. I wonder why Biden didn't work out an agreement with them?

The Biden administration has stated it will not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, and there have been reports of discussions within the administration about options if Iran takes steps towards weaponization. Following Iran's October 2024 missile attack on Israel, Biden condemned the attack and stated that the US was committed to Israel's defense. He also stated that the US would not hesitate to take all necessary action to hold those who enable or support Iran's attacks accountable.

Biden discussed plans to strike Iran nuclear sites if Tehran speeds toward bomb

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/02/iran-nuclear-weapon-biden-white-house

[oreon]

I am no fan of Trump, but just watching the world events while Iran has in no way been truthful nor compliant. They have been agnostic at all times threatening everyone with destruction. Is the world just supposed to sit by while Iran and their proxies keep threatening and attacking our allies. Nope. If Biden was president right now, USA would still have bombed. Iran had zero intentions of honoring Obama's deal, period and never even tried. If they had as you insist, they would have allowed nuclear testers onto their land from the beginning of which they never did. I get it, you hate and despise Trump like the rest of us, but Iran has brought upon this themselves.

Its funny, because I predict this particular rationalization from voters who hate the one they lost to. If Biden or Harris won and the USA bombed Iran, I would expect the same exact rationalization from right wingers. Sounds to me like you are just looking for a scapegoat to blame like many liberals and far right wingers do.

This isn't true. Iran honored the deal till Trump pulled out. This is a fact.

Iran allowed Nuclear testers to verify they were enriching Uranium solely for Power? Iran has been flexing their muscles for a while now threatening much of the middle east. I wonder why Biden didn't work out an agreement with them?

The Biden administration has stated it will not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, and there have been reports of discussions within the administration about options if Iran takes steps towards weaponization. Following Iran's October 2024 missile attack on Israel, Biden condemned the attack and stated that the US was committed to Israel's defense. He also stated that the US would not hesitate to take all necessary action to hold those who enable or support Iran's attacks accountable.

Biden discussed plans to strike Iran nuclear sites if Tehran speeds toward bomb

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/02/iran-nuclear-weapon-biden-white-house

We are talking about the Obama deal which stopped Iran from enriching uranium at certain levels. They were in compliance. Then Trump pulled out. We would not be here if Trump didn't pull out.

And there was no immediate threat. There was still some time for negotiations.

The Israeli's saw an opportunity to act while Iran was at its weakest and they took it.

And for US, they saw an opportunity where Iran had no air defense and they took opportunity as well to finish the job

We'll see where this goes. It's a gamble. That may pay off or pay not. Iran could escalate and make this ugly. I don't think they will

Or the more likely situation this hardens their resolve to get a bomb. And they slowly work to get back to where they were only this time they make it harder for US to reach.

This is a decision that's significant and we'll see how it plays out over the years.

[HeatFanLifer]

And there was no immediate threat. There was still some time for negotiations.

In your opinion.