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TimeForChange · Post #1621 » by **TimeForChange** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:35 am

Scase wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Scase wrote:In his defence, he called that trade absurd and said the raptors would be crazy to do that.

So a team trading 3 of their starters + a top 10 lottery pick for a 37 year old with 1 year left on his contract requires someone to say its an absurd idea eh.

My point was that if you cover/tweet about trades so often, just know whats even legal lol.

Oh for sure, but I think he's just parroting a rumour, not too deep.

it's life and death for some people on here :lol:

VC15Era · Post #1622 » by **VC15Era** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:38 am

what will we learn from OKC,,, they built there team from the draft. Thats the new way of building a team. **** Giannis and KD.

Scase · Post #1623 » by **Scase** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:43 am

VC15Era wrote:what will we learn from OKC,,, they built there team from the draft. Thats the new way of building a team. **** Giannis and KD.

Just wait until someone tells you the only reason they won is cause they got lucky with Shai, Kawhi, PG and every other excuse under the sun.

djsunyc · Post #1624 » by **djsunyc** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:46 am

VC15Era wrote:what will we learn from OKC,,, they built there team from the draft. Thats the new way of building a team. **** Giannis and KD.

they built their team with the draft and 2 huge trades for hali and pascal. their best 2 guys were via trades.

the lesson is to put together a team of as many good players you can, using any method you can, and hope they have chemistry and hope for luck along the way.

edit sorry i thought you said indy. okc is the exception, not the norm. but they also required a massive trade to get sga. but what i said above still applies.

TGM · Post #1625 » by **TGM** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:51 am

[quote="VC15Era"]what will we learn from OKC,,, they built there team from the draft. Thats the new way of building a team. **** Giannis and KD.[/quote]

Completely disagree. OKC has drafted some solid players, but SGA was via trade, Caruso was via trade, Hartenstein was a FA signing. Take away SGA from the whole equation and you wouldn't be very excited about the team.

NO SGA and they are sort of like the Magic or Detroit Pistons. Pistons have a ton of young talent as well and so does Houston. However, you need a superstar. Superstars don't exist in every single draft and it is quite the crap shoot. When i say Superstar I mean top 5 talent.

Last thing you want is to become the Utah Jazz.

To build a championship contender you need a top 5 player. Thats the hardest part. Payroll management is then key. Can't have 3 guys on maxes, look at Phoenix. You probably have one 50 million guy, one 40 million guy. Then you go two guys in the 20-25 million range. The rest you fill out with rookie contracts, vet mins etc... Churning your payroll is probably one of the toughest but most important things to do. Hence you see guys like Bane needing to be moved.

JB7 · Post #1626 » by **JB7** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:53 am

Scase wrote:
VC15Era wrote:what will we learn from OKC,,, they built there team from the draft. Thats the new way of building a team. **** Giannis and KD.

Just wait until someone tells you the only reason they won is cause they got lucky with Shai, Kawhi, PG and every other excuse under the sun.

Oh yes, we are rewriting history. SGA was drafted by OKC :wink:

YogurtProducer · Post #1627 » by **YogurtProducer** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:56 am

Scase wrote:
VC15Era wrote:what will we learn from OKC,,, they built there team from the draft. Thats the new way of building a team. **** Giannis and KD.

Just wait until someone tells you the only reason they won is cause they got lucky with Shai, Kawhi, PG and every other excuse under the sun.

Oh, so the truth?

I don’t know why you have such a tough time accepting reality.

ItsDanger · Post #1628 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:56 am

Trading vets for unestabished youth is an advantage rebuilding teams enjoy. Contenders don't have that luxury. Call it luck all you want.

Scase · Post #1629 » by **Scase** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:58 am

ItsDanger wrote:Trading vets for unestabished youth is an advantage rebuilding teams enjoy. Contenders don't have that luxury. Call it luck all you want.

Wait, you mean trading lotto picks for vets isn't a winning strategy?

VC15Era · Post #1630 » by **VC15Era** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:03 am

I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

JB7 · Post #1631 » by **JB7** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:11 am

VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

VC15Era · Post #1632 » by **VC15Era** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:14 am

JB7 wrote:
VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

only if SGA demands to go to the Raptors.

ForeverTFC · Post #1633 » by **ForeverTFC** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:14 am

VC15Era wrote:what will we learn from OKC,,, they built there team from the draft. Thats the new way of building a team. **** Giannis and KD.

The most important moves to make this championship a reality were trades. Their best draft pick was in the teens. tWo doesn’t get to gaslight us anymore. We all have eyes.

ItsDanger · Post #1634 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:15 am

VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

This is a key aspect most won't admit on here. Top end stars have to want to play here for the trade route of building a contender to work. Big obstacle to overcome. That's why I prefer the drafting route instead.

JB7 · Post #1635 » by **JB7** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:18 am

VC15Era wrote:
JB7 wrote:
VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

only if SGA demands to go to the Raptors.

That’s how I would expect it to go down. It will start with Presti. If the Lakers can lure him away, and then OKC needs to start shedding contracts to pay J-Dub and Chet, it all starts to fall apart.

Scase · Post #1636 » by **Scase** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:20 am

JB7 wrote:
VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.

VC15Era · Post #1637 » by **VC15Era** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:21 am

ItsDanger wrote:
VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

This is a key aspect most won't admit on here. Top end stars have to want to play here for the trade route of building a contender to work. Big obstacle to overcome. That's why I prefer the drafting route instead.

I think OKC isnt a destination for top end stars, They did lose PG, Harden, Durant and Westbrook But did get draft capital from PG, Harden & Westbrook. Where the raptors got pennies off a dollar for our old core of OG and Pascal. Hope Masai really learned from that lesson.

JB7 · Post #1638 » by **JB7** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:26 am

Scase wrote:
JB7 wrote:
VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.

If they ever have a chance to get SGA, the best Canadian player ever, they have to try.

I would think SGA’s next option after OKC would be the Raps.

Tripod · Post #1639 » by **Tripod** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:31 am

VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

How young do you want to be?

9 of our 11 rotation guys are 26 years old and younger....and we are adding #9 and #39 to that and still have a teenager in Chomche.

We still have lots of room for internal growth.

PushDaRock · Post #1640 » by **PushDaRock** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:48 am

Scase wrote:
JB7 wrote:
VC15Era wrote:I just think as a team like the raptors. we dont get "Big Fish" talent.. we lucked out on Kawai. that was a 1 year gift from the basketball gods... No big name talent wants to come to the raptors or have them on there short list. I think we really need to trim some of our contracts like IQ and RJ. Hopefully someone will take them off our hands. Need more draft capital.

Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.

So, what's the alternative? Stop trying and just tank until we draft a Superstar?