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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1641 » by WiggOuts » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:27 am

Clippers must really be kicking themselves right now, when do they finish paying OKC for PG?

Just realized how connected Paul George was to this finals
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Post#1642 » by CazOnReal » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:27 am

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Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.


So, what's the alternative? Stop trying and just tank until we draft a Superstar?

The alternative is to do the same thing as last time: Build out a deep team, make smart moves (Ibaka trade, Gay trade, Vasquez trade, etc.) wait for the right player to become available when you've proven to be a winning team and boom, you're live again as a contender.

Like yeah it's possible Scottie or someone else becomes that guy for us but as of right now, it should be a matter of finding + developing the right supporting pieces for a superstar when they're ready.
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Post#1643 » by VC15Era » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:27 am

I think we are already kicking ourselves for giving IQ that contract.

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Post#1644 » by Scase » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:33 am

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Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.


If they ever have a chance to get SGA, the best Canadian player ever, they have to try.

I would think SGA’s next option after OKC would be the Raps.

It would be nice, but we've seen this song and dance before so I don't get my hopes up :lol:
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Post#1645 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:36 am

VC15Era wrote:I think we are already kicking ourselves for giving IQ that contract.

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Post#1646 » by PushDaRock » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:42 am

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Scase wrote:Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.


So, what's the alternative? Stop trying and just tank until we draft a Superstar?

The alternative is to do the same thing as last time: Build out a deep team, make smart moves (Ibaka trade, Gay trade, Vasquez trade, etc.) wait for the right player to become available when you've proven to be a winning team and boom, you're live again as a contender.

Like yeah it's possible Scottie or someone else becomes that guy for us but as of right now, it should be a matter of finding + developing the right supporting pieces for a superstar when they're ready.


Seems like we are already trying to do this?
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Post#1647 » by ontnut » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:56 am

PushDaRock wrote:
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Things can change so quickly. I would not be surprised if the Raps chase after SGA in a couple of years.

Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.


So, what's the alternative? Stop trying and just tank until we draft a Superstar?

Yes, that would be the method for some people on the board.
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Post#1648 » by Nebuchadnezzar » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:04 am

ontnut wrote:
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Scase wrote:Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.


So, what's the alternative? Stop trying and just tank until we draft a Superstar?

Yes, that would be the method for some people on the board.


Waaayyyyy to risky, especially with the flattened odds in the lottery
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Post#1649 » by CazOnReal » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:09 am

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So, what's the alternative? Stop trying and just tank until we draft a Superstar?

The alternative is to do the same thing as last time: Build out a deep team, make smart moves (Ibaka trade, Gay trade, Vasquez trade, etc.) wait for the right player to become available when you've proven to be a winning team and boom, you're live again as a contender.

Like yeah it's possible Scottie or someone else becomes that guy for us but as of right now, it should be a matter of finding + developing the right supporting pieces for a superstar when they're ready.


Seems like we are already trying to do this?

Correct.
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Post#1650 » by Prestige » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:46 pm

Looks like Masai has learned from his mistakes. For years these guys sat on their asses and barely did any transactions. In fact i believe there was a stretch for a few years where they only did 1 trade. Other teams like OKC traded for and then rerouted various superstars, and were busy collecting draft picks. While this FO devalued picks by trading them and sat too long until the value of our players was too low.
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Post#1651 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:59 pm

CazOnReal wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Scase wrote:Yeah just like we chased after Giannis multiple times. People don't want to come here, SGA might be our best bet ever for obvious reasons, but pretty unlikely.


So, what's the alternative? Stop trying and just tank until we draft a Superstar?

The alternative is to do the same thing as last time: Build out a deep team, make smart moves (Ibaka trade, Gay trade, Vasquez trade, etc.) wait for the right player to become available when you've proven to be a winning team and boom, you're live again as a contender.

Like yeah it's possible Scottie or someone else becomes that guy for us but as of right now, it should be a matter of finding + developing the right supporting pieces for a superstar when they're ready.


The right player = MVP level player and them becoming available doesn't happen very often. IMO, if you can acquire one you should do it at any cost because the problem of needing to find depth is much easier to solve than getting an MVP level player in the first place.
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Post#1652 » by bobbyp3588 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:04 pm

VC15Era wrote:I think we are already kicking ourselves for giving IQ that contract.

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What? Really? Why?

Seems to me he had bad injury luck last season, but when healthy played as expected. If he stays healthy, he’ll continue to incrementally improve as a playmaker and his contract will be a steal for the last two or three years.
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Post#1653 » by JB7 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:15 pm

WiggOuts wrote:Clippers must really be kicking themselves right now, when do they finish paying OKC for PG?

Just realized how connected Paul George was to this finals


Absolutely hilarious, because with the PG deal, the expectation was the Clips were going to win a chip in the near future. For them to not even come close, while the pieces they traded just led to OKC's chip, is friggin awesome :lol:

At the parade, I hope there is a shout out to Balmer :lol:
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Post#1654 » by douggood » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:21 pm

WiggOuts wrote:Clippers must really be kicking themselves right now, when do they finish paying OKC for PG?

Just realized how connected Paul George was to this finals

swap in 2025 so okc moved from 30 to 24
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Post#1655 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:27 pm

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Post#1656 » by MavCarter » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:33 pm

Prestige wrote:Looks like Masai has learned from his mistakes. For years these guys sat on their asses and barely did any transactions. In fact i believe there was a stretch for a few years where they only did 1 trade. Other teams like OKC traded for and then rerouted various superstars, and were busy collecting draft picks. While this FO devalued picks by trading them and sat too long until the value of our players was too low.


Why do people keep saying this like paul george didnt ask for a trade to team up with kawhi? This wasnt some shrewd calculated move by OKC the clippers were desperate for PG and OKC benefited tremendously. Without shai the thunder are probably still a good team but not championship level good
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Post#1657 » by Scase » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:40 pm

MavCarter wrote:
Prestige wrote:Looks like Masai has learned from his mistakes. For years these guys sat on their asses and barely did any transactions. In fact i believe there was a stretch for a few years where they only did 1 trade. Other teams like OKC traded for and then rerouted various superstars, and were busy collecting draft picks. While this FO devalued picks by trading them and sat too long until the value of our players was too low.


Why do people keep saying this like paul george didnt ask for a trade to team up with kawhi? This wasnt some shrewd calculated move by OKC the clippers were desperate for PG and OKC benefited tremendously. Without shai the thunder are probably still a good team but not championship level good

Because I'm willing to bet that the Clips didn't call up Presti offering him the farm for PG right off the bat. GMs make bad trades all the time (Hello VC trade), GMs still need to demand good value coming back. Presti definitely had leverage, but so did Nico and he still got a mid return for Luka. It takes 2 to tango.
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Post#1658 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:48 pm

Scase wrote:
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Prestige wrote:Looks like Masai has learned from his mistakes. For years these guys sat on their asses and barely did any transactions. In fact i believe there was a stretch for a few years where they only did 1 trade. Other teams like OKC traded for and then rerouted various superstars, and were busy collecting draft picks. While this FO devalued picks by trading them and sat too long until the value of our players was too low.


Why do people keep saying this like paul george didnt ask for a trade to team up with kawhi? This wasnt some shrewd calculated move by OKC the clippers were desperate for PG and OKC benefited tremendously. Without shai the thunder are probably still a good team but not championship level good

Because I'm willing to bet that the Clips didn't call up Presti offering him the farm for PG right off the bat. GMs make bad trades all the time (Hello VC trade), GMs still need to demand good value coming back. Presti definitely had leverage, but so did Nico and he still got a mid return for Luka. It takes 2 to tango.


Exactly and then to be able to build a great team around Shai while still having the most or one of the most draft picks at his disposal is genius. Presti is showing how you conduct an actual rebuild with a lot less resources in OKC.

Raptors currently finished tanking in back to back years and have a 0 draft pick surplus to help with our rebuild. This makes Masai's room for error almost 0 so he has to be perfect on all his draft picks, trades and signings in order to make us relevant again. The good thing is that Masai is good enough to do it but we'll see.
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Post#1659 » by brwnman » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:49 pm

VC15Era wrote:I think we are already kicking ourselves for giving IQ that contract.

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Not sure if the Raps are there yet, but they are definitely looking to move on from that contract. It's an overpay right now, and just because it's a flat contract at the end, doesn't mean it's a good one. Paid IQ his max potential, and he's unlikely to be a value for the contract. The Raptors also bid against themselves.
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Post#1660 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:59 pm

Scase wrote:
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Prestige wrote:Looks like Masai has learned from his mistakes. For years these guys sat on their asses and barely did any transactions. In fact i believe there was a stretch for a few years where they only did 1 trade. Other teams like OKC traded for and then rerouted various superstars, and were busy collecting draft picks. While this FO devalued picks by trading them and sat too long until the value of our players was too low.


Why do people keep saying this like paul george didnt ask for a trade to team up with kawhi? This wasnt some shrewd calculated move by OKC the clippers were desperate for PG and OKC benefited tremendously. Without shai the thunder are probably still a good team but not championship level good

Because I'm willing to bet that the Clips didn't call up Presti offering him the farm for PG right off the bat. GMs make bad trades all the time (Hello VC trade), GMs still need to demand good value coming back. Presti definitely had leverage, but so did Nico and he still got a mid return for Luka. It takes 2 to tango.


Nico had nowhere near the leverage for a few reasons. 1) he was the one who decided to make the trade - the Mavs decided they didn't want to pay Luka his next extension and he only had a year left on his deal (he will definitely be opting out) and 2) Nico only negotiated in secret with 1 team, because he knew how **** ridiculous trading Luka was. OKC's leverage was Kawhi saying he would only sign with LAC (if you actually believed him/Uncle Dennis) if they got George specifically, and George had just signed a 5 year extension or whatever it was. Kawhi's entire free agency was very public. He had the Lakers (and us, sort of) sitting there too. Presti had all of the leverage in that situation. A desperate Ballmer looking to make a big splash, and the one guy under contract for a long time that would not only get him George, but also Kawhi.
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