ImageImageImage

The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

Moderators: bwgood77, Qwigglez, lilfishi22

User avatar
lilfishi22
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 36,149
And1: 24,487
Joined: Oct 16, 2007
Location: Australia

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1101 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:28 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Windhorst Thinks Suns Are More Likely to Trade Dillon Brooks Than Jalen Green

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25211717-windhorst-thinks-suns-are-more-likely-trade-dillon-brooks-jalen-green

Nah, we need to keep Brooks. This team desperately needs a lion. We have no alpha males in this team. Brooks is the type of player you want when you play the Luka’s of the world. Brooks is automatically the team leader and alpha on this team. Losing ain’t acceptable to him. He won’t be nonchalant about losing like Booker is. Brooks needs to stay!!!!

Windhorst also noted: "My understanding is that they're going to be aggressive this week," ESPN's Tim Bontemps said. "They're going to try to retool the roster... this is not the last move they're going to make. So we'll see (what) this team looks (like) in a couple of weeks."

I agree but maybe Green just doesn't have the value Brooks has specifically because Brooks is easier to trade as a useful vet on a lower salary.
sunsfan1o1
Rookie
Posts: 1,133
And1: 849
Joined: May 16, 2022

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1102 » by sunsfan1o1 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:32 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Windhorst Thinks Suns Are More Likely to Trade Dillon Brooks Than Jalen Green

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25211717-windhorst-thinks-suns-are-more-likely-trade-dillon-brooks-jalen-green

Nah, we need to keep Brooks. This team desperately needs a lion. We have no alpha males in this team. Brooks is the type of player you want when you play the Luka’s of the world. Brooks is automatically the team leader and alpha on this team. Losing ain’t acceptable to him. He won’t be nonchalant about losing like Booker is. Brooks needs to stay!!!!

Windhorst also noted: "My understanding is that they're going to be aggressive this week," ESPN's Tim Bontemps said. "They're going to try to retool the roster... this is not the last move they're going to make. So we'll see (what) this team looks (like) in a couple of weeks."

I agree but maybe Green just doesn't have the value Brooks has specifically because Brooks is easier to trade as a useful vet on a lower salary.

We should keep Brooks and figure out how to sign Schroder
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,280
And1: 9,020
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1103 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:45 am

Jesus_H_Macy wrote:GoK who would you take at 10 if we stay there (sorry if you already said and I missed it)


Well, even though I'd really prefer to trade back to get multiple swings at talent to fill multiple positions. IF staying at 10 and picking from there, I'd most likely have this as my top 3 big board:

1- Danny Wolf.
2- Maxime Raynaud.
3- Egor Demin.

Now I didn't say Makuach because he's not going to make it to 10 for sure. And even though I like Fears because he does remind me of D Fox, the fact that we traded for two SGs' ( 6'6 and 6'4) and now we're much smaller and more positionally redundant too. I'd say we absolutely need to go as big as possible!! And BOTH Wolf and Raynaud are 7 footers and very talented too. Wolf shows alot of distinct attributes/ talents that is very, very similar to Jokic. And even though he's not a plus defender, he does play physical and with consistent effort.

And Raynaud is really skilled, but is also starting to really embrace physicality. So if he gets stronger and continues developing his tenacity, thenhis floor being Pau Gasol becomes more of him reaching his ceiling of Alperan Sengun!! But with better handles and 3 pt shooting.

Lastly, Demin is a strong choice because although raw, and needing development, his size and playmaking I'd elite. And he'd address our PGOTF needs finally with his size being a distinct bonus next to Booker. That's why I chose those specific three in that order.

Then at 29, we could select any of Kalkbrenner, Neiderhauser, or Zisarky as a strong defensive center option/ compliment to balance either Wolf or Raynaud in the frontcourt while restoring immense size to the paint for us (our endless shooting guards to play off of)!!

That'd balance our roster significantly, and we could hopefully package our 2nds and maybe a player in O'neale, Allen or Martin to move up for solid two way wing in Thiero or Powell, etc??

But again, to be clear! My preference would be to trade back ( not out) and do a deal with Brooklyn ( who's actually trying to acquire a 2nd top 10 pick) using some combination of Claxton, Johnson, and their 4 picks outside of the lottery ( 19, 26, 27, 36).


I'd love to either pull Cam Johnson or Claxton in a deal around Allen or O'neale/ Martin/ Richards/ 10th pick for either Johnson or Claxton and the 19th pick, 26th pick, and 36th pick. And maybe just maybe a future protected first if possible too.

Because that'd give us multiple swings at potential impact talents at various positions as our roster needs a lot! And in adding those younger cost controlled talents on rookie scale contracts, we'd now also quite possibly generate cap flexibility for free agency options too???
Image
TeamTragic
General Manager
Posts: 8,998
And1: 7,024
Joined: Feb 18, 2015
 

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1104 » by TeamTragic » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:58 am

I don't want to see Claxton (overrated) or CamJo on this team. Nets have ZERO quality players.

Furthermore this obsession with ex-Suns players is pathetic. Better for your health if you move on.
Sunsdeuce
Head Coach
Posts: 6,499
And1: 3,056
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
       

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1105 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:06 am

TeamTragic wrote:I don't want to see Claxton (overrated) or CamJo on this team. Nets have ZERO quality players.

Furthermore this obsession with ex-Suns players is pathetic. Better for your health if you move on.

I can’t +1 your post enough. Thank you!

In 7 years Cam Johnson least injury riddled year he played 66 games. That’s the most games he’s ever played in a full season. He’s ALWAYS hurt. He’s not athletic. He has one memorial dunk. He’s not a particularly good defender. Yes he can shoot threes but unathletic three point shooters aren’t exactly hard to find. PLUS availability >>>>> ability ! Cam ship has sailed. Don’t want him back at all.

Claxton is a slightly better version of Nick Richard’s on a $25 Million a year contract. If I’m going to give up assets to improve than let’s give up assets to improve. Not a fan of stagnating with slightly better versions of what you already have!

Claxton and Cam need to stay away from this team.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

Only a fan of Arizona teams!
Cardinals
Dbacks
Suns
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,280
And1: 9,020
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1106 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:13 am

Read on Twitter
Image
starbosa10
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,548
And1: 4,387
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1107 » by starbosa10 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:24 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Read on Twitter


They're just going to run Point Book again and try to move Beal if they can but I'm skeptical. If they can buy him out go for it but stretching him would be cap suicide for the next 5 years
garrick
Head Coach
Posts: 7,328
And1: 4,046
Joined: Dec 02, 2006
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1108 » by garrick » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:32 am

sunsfan1o1 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Windhorst Thinks Suns Are More Likely to Trade Dillon Brooks Than Jalen Green

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25211717-windhorst-thinks-suns-are-more-likely-trade-dillon-brooks-jalen-green

Nah, we need to keep Brooks. This team desperately needs a lion. We have no alpha males in this team. Brooks is the type of player you want when you play the Luka’s of the world. Brooks is automatically the team leader and alpha on this team. Losing ain’t acceptable to him. He won’t be nonchalant about losing like Booker is. Brooks needs to stay!!!!

Windhorst also noted: "My understanding is that they're going to be aggressive this week," ESPN's Tim Bontemps said. "They're going to try to retool the roster... this is not the last move they're going to make. So we'll see (what) this team looks (like) in a couple of weeks."

I agree but maybe Green just doesn't have the value Brooks has specifically because Brooks is easier to trade as a useful vet on a lower salary.

We should keep Brooks and figure out how to sign Schroder


I hate Brooks but he's the kind of tough nosed defender and leader we need and we aren't getting anyone in free agency as good as him.

It would be better to try and flip Grayson Allen and Royce for bigger bodies but Grayson is on a terrible contract so it might be a stretch to flip him unless we include a few of our picks with him.
User avatar
sunsbum
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,537
And1: 5,390
Joined: May 16, 2007
Location: Portland
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1109 » by sunsbum » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:38 am

Damn why did that yaxel kid have to go to michigan
"Mannnnn I’m like the guy that pissed this whole board off saying literally all year no Mikal, no Mikal in the KD trade."
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,280
And1: 9,020
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1110 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:42 am

TeamTragic wrote:I don't want to see Claxton (overrated) or CamJo on this team. Nets have ZERO quality players.

Furthermore this obsession with ex-Suns players is pathetic. Better for your health if you move on.


Who would you want to see then IF they used the 10th pick in a trade back scenario. Or who would you prefer if they kept it and drafted a prospect at 10?

Claxton is still a long, very quick, reactive elite defensive center/ rim runner with elite rim protection ability and elite switchability too. He also has impressive ball handling skills being able to go coast to coast and initiate fast breaks. And he's on a cost effective descending contract in the 20s' range.

That's pretty good value honestly. And with Cam Johnson, sure a big part of it is a "feel good story" but he's still a dynamic 6'8 elite floor spacing 3/4 nearly shooting 50/ 40/ 90. And is also on a cost effective contract that just happens to expire in 27' "aligning" with Beal's 57 million expiring contract too.

On top of all that, he's familiar with our franchise, familiar with Booker and our system and is viewed as a desirable trade asset ( possibly for future trades). IMO we could do a lot worse than either and also getting multiple picks back in this draft to swing for young talent to add to our core.

And the underlying value too being that they're cost effective salaries would help create flexibility for potential free agency upgrades or depth acquisitions too. :wink:
Image
Sunsdeuce
Head Coach
Posts: 6,499
And1: 3,056
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
       

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1111 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:06 am

Point Book is nightmare fuel. I’m sorry but he is garbage as a PG. This team suffers badly when he has to do it long term. Booker doesn’t have particularly good floor vision and distributing the ball isn’t a natural instinct for Booker.

Point Booker isn’t a plan, it’s an absence of a plan.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

Only a fan of Arizona teams!
Cardinals
Dbacks
Suns
Bogyo
Analyst
Posts: 3,357
And1: 2,478
Joined: Jul 29, 2013

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1112 » by Bogyo » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:07 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
If RJ and 9 is all you're comparing to, I'll take Brooks and 10 any day of the week.


Oh wow, thats a bad take. Brooks is a clown that noone likes or respects in the league. He is 29 on a bad contract, and shoots 42% from the field and 35% from 3 for his career. He is like 6'5, doesnt rebound, gets as many assists as turnovers, not athletic, basically no improvement over his career. What is there to like about him or his play? Turd on a stick. Clown, wannabe toughguy who is not tough. He is a joke.
Meanwhile RJ 25, on an OK contract, athletic, averaging 20+/6/5 for basically the last 3 years... not sure what to say about that opinion...

I'm not a Brooks fan but the guy did all the dirty work (for better or for worse), shot 40% from 3 last season on over 6 attempts a game, the last 3 years played 72-75 games, doesn't take shots away from scorers, pretty low turnover guy and 3 seasons ago was an all-defensive 2nd team guy. He's also on $21.1m this season and next season it's down to $20m and expiring.

Would I prefer RJ? Yeah maybe but he's also more expensive and while he's younger, he's also not had much improvement over his career either. Basically been the same 20ppg scorer since the 3rd season in the league. He's also a worse shooter than Brooks.


Mate, that 1 season of OKish 3 point shooting is an outlier, you know that right? I m willing to bet anything dude doesnt shoot 35% (as per usual) next year on this team, his other deficies will be glaring as well on this shthole of a team that the re-tartds have assembled. He is a human turd - thats why nobody likes him or respects him.
# waiting for the next chapter
AtheJ415
Head Coach
Posts: 6,580
And1: 5,558
Joined: Jul 07, 2014

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1113 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:17 am

My hope: Fears falls in the draft.

PG: Fears
SG: Book
SF: Green
PF: Dunn
C: Oso. I just like him better than Richards.

Try to get a C and young PF

If Fears doesn't, get Bryant at PF. Just collect 3 and D guys. Hope Green improves as a shooter and decisionmaker under Book. Go from there.
User avatar
thamadkant
Suns Forum Picker of Cherries
Posts: 16,916
And1: 8,599
Joined: Jan 06, 2007
 

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1114 » by thamadkant » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:20 am

TeamTragic wrote:I don't want to see Claxton (overrated) or CamJo on this team. Nets have ZERO quality players.

Furthermore this obsession with ex-Suns players is pathetic. Better for your health if you move on.


Cam Thomas is Nets best player and asset. But he plays Combo Guard.... not a need for the Suns.
User avatar
lilfishi22
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 36,149
And1: 24,487
Joined: Oct 16, 2007
Location: Australia

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1115 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:25 am

Bogyo wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
Oh wow, thats a bad take. Brooks is a clown that noone likes or respects in the league. He is 29 on a bad contract, and shoots 42% from the field and 35% from 3 for his career. He is like 6'5, doesnt rebound, gets as many assists as turnovers, not athletic, basically no improvement over his career. What is there to like about him or his play? Turd on a stick. Clown, wannabe toughguy who is not tough. He is a joke.
Meanwhile RJ 25, on an OK contract, athletic, averaging 20+/6/5 for basically the last 3 years... not sure what to say about that opinion...

I'm not a Brooks fan but the guy did all the dirty work (for better or for worse), shot 40% from 3 last season on over 6 attempts a game, the last 3 years played 72-75 games, doesn't take shots away from scorers, pretty low turnover guy and 3 seasons ago was an all-defensive 2nd team guy. He's also on $21.1m this season and next season it's down to $20m and expiring.

Would I prefer RJ? Yeah maybe but he's also more expensive and while he's younger, he's also not had much improvement over his career either. Basically been the same 20ppg scorer since the 3rd season in the league. He's also a worse shooter than Brooks.


Mate, that 1 season of OKish 3 point shooting is an outlier, you know that right? I m willing to bet anything dude doesnt shoot 35% (as per usual) next year on this team, his other deficies will be glaring as well on this shthole of a team that the re-tartds have assembled. He is a human turd - thats why nobody likes him or respects him.

But you'd take RJ for more money and all he does better is.... inefficient scoring?
Sunsdeuce
Head Coach
Posts: 6,499
And1: 3,056
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
       

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1116 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:30 am

MOCK DRAFTS
ESPN.com

Cooper Flagg
Dylan Harper
VJ Edgecombe
Ace Bailey
Kon Knueppel
Tre Johnson
Jeremiah Fears
Khaman Maluach
Noa Essengue
Carter Bryant
Kasparas Jakucionis
Derik Queen
Egor Demin
Joan Beringer
Last updated: June 17

The Ringer

Cooper Flagg
Dylan Harper
Tre Johnson
Ace Bailey
VJ Edgecombe
Derik Queen
Kon Knueppel
Jeremiah Fears
Carter Bryant
Kasparas Jakucionis
Danny Wolf
Khaman Maluach
Cedric Coward
Egor Demin
Last updated: June 10

The Athletic

Cooper Flagg
Dylan Harper
VJ Edgecombe
Ace Bailey
Tre Johnson
Kon Knueppel
Jeremiah Fears
Kasparas Jakucionis
Khaman Maluach
Carter Bryant
Collin Murray-Boyles
Derik Queen
Joan Beringer
Cedric Coward
Last updated: June 12

Yahoo Sports

Cooper Flagg
Dylan Harper
Ace Bailey
Kon Knueppel
VJ Edgecombe
Tre Johnson
Khaman Maluach
Jeremiah Fears
Carter Bryant
Kasparas Jakucionis
Liam McNeeley
Jase Richardson
Derik Queen
Cedric Coward
Last updated: June 16

Bleacher Report

Cooper Flagg
Dylan Harper
VJ Edgecombe
Khaman Maluach
Jeremiah Fears
Ace Bailey
Tre Johnson
Noa Essengue
Derik Queen
Kon Knueppel
Carter Bryant
Asa Newell
Kasparas Jakucionis
Collin Murray-Boyles
Last updated: June 17

NetScouts Basketball

Cooper Flagg
Dylan Harper
VJ Edgecombe
Ace Bailey
Tre Johnson
Kasparas Jakucionis
Kon Knueppel
Khaman Maluach
Derik Queen
Jeremiah Fears
Egor Demin
Jase Richardson
Noa Essengue
Carter Bryant
Last updated: May 31

CBS Sports (Gary Parrish)

Cooper Flagg
Dylan Harper
Tre Johnson
VJ Edgecombe
Ace Bailey
Jeremiah Fears
Kon Knueppel
Khaman Maluach
Derik Queen
Carter Bryant
Jase Richardson
Collin Murray-Boyles
Kasparas Jakucionis
Liam McNeeley
Last updated: June 16
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

Only a fan of Arizona teams!
Cardinals
Dbacks
Suns
AtheJ415
Head Coach
Posts: 6,580
And1: 5,558
Joined: Jul 07, 2014

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1117 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:52 am

I wonder if we could make a run at Zion. Worth a shot for this team
garrick
Head Coach
Posts: 7,328
And1: 4,046
Joined: Dec 02, 2006
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1118 » by garrick » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:58 am


GoK what do you think of Khaman Maluach at #10?

Not an extreme athlete but a decent defender and his shot is not horrible.

Doesn't seem to project to be a star but could be exactly what we need at center.
User avatar
Qwigglez
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 21,552
And1: 14,845
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Contact:
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1119 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:19 am

I take Khaman Maluach at 10 if he is there. I doubt he is though. He seems able to catch the ball, easy for the PnR. I'm more worried about him learning the defensive end at the NBA level. Still though, he has the most upside for someone to turn into a Rudy Gobert type of player with a bit more offensive touch potentially.
garrick
Head Coach
Posts: 7,328
And1: 4,046
Joined: Dec 02, 2006
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1120 » by garrick » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:23 am

Qwigglez wrote:I take Khaman Maluach at 10 if he is there. I doubt he is though. He seems able to catch the ball, easy for the PnR. I'm more worried about him learning the defensive end at the NBA level. Still though, he has the most upside for someone to turn into a Rudy Gobert type of player with a bit more offensive touch potentially.

Seems like a few of the mock drafts have him going higher than 10 so he might not be available at #10.

Wonder if we should trade #29 for a couple 2nds similar to what we did last year as there are some big men prospects that should fall to us in the 2nd round and hope that at least one of them works out for us.

Return to Phoenix Suns