Brown to ATL, Jrue to Dallas, 3rd try

[brackdan70]

The problem is they are to good even without Tatum to tank.

Do you think so? Pritchard - White - Brown - Tillman or something - Porzingis for 30 games with Drew Peterson and Walsh coming off the bench? I think we have a bottom 5 record locked up.

Really?
Maybe I am off but I do t they can get to the lotto without trading Brown and White.
I mean they could really milk Browns knee, and sit Porzingis for 2 games for every one he would normally miss. Doesn’t see likely though, who knows.
Brown,White, Porzingis and Pritchard are all top 50 guys in impact. There is Hauser or Jrue….one of those guys is likely back. If they do trade Jrue they might bring Horford or Kornet back, and will have some dude that might be playable coming back in the trade.
I think the roster even without Tatum will be better than you think.

[dms269]

For Atlanta, do the fans really want to continue down the path of mediocrity? We just watched what Indiana was able to do and in the blink of an eye they're effed for next year. Boston is probably out of it for at least a year. Cleveland is still in a state of shock, NY has no way to meaningfully improve, and you've been passed by Detroit. Orlando saw this and they've made their move. Yes Brown is expensive, but the Hawks are very fortunate to have JJ locked up on a great contract. They need to take advantage of that and Brown would be phenomenal for the Hawks. Who's the best passing PG he's played with- Marcus Smart? Jaylen Brown meet Trae Young. Also, JB is one of the best transition players in the league and the Celtics play slow. Their style is not conducive to his strengths but rather it exasperates his weaknesses. He gets paid a lot of money but it's for his prime years. I think it's a move they should make and if it doesn't work out, then maybe it's time to move Young. Also, Gafford isn't great but he's an excellent lob threat and fit.

Young
Daniels
Brown
Johnson
Gafford

You don't want that?

The concern is you would only have that for this year coming up before it needs to get pieced out to fit with the contracts. If Trae accepts the option and Dyson and Gafford are on new deals ($25 million per year base isn't unrealistic), you are looking at a 26-27 salary of over $185 million just for the starting 5. Add in bench pieces and that luxury tax bill isn't something Ressler is going to want to pay.

I know the lineup on paper is great, but with a stingy owner money has to be taken into consideration. Ressler is much more content fielding a team that isn't a tax paying team and is a mid-seed than making a true title contender.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not surprised by some of the comments but I disagree with many of them.
For Dallas, I'm not saying they should trade for Jrue, but all of the reports say Dallas is very interested. Maybe it's not true, but let's just assume it is. Dallas fans don't want to trade Gaffard, they'd rather send 3 players they don't want. Gafford is important for Dallas because AD and Lively have had injury issues, but let's be real. Dallas needs AD and Lively healthy to go far, and if they are, then Gafford barely sees the floor in the playoffs, especially when you factor in Flagg and PJ. Gafford and PJ both need new contracts after this coming season and they're both not getting paid by Dallas unless they trade someone else that their fans don't want gone. If Dallas trades for Jrue, Gafford is probably gone.

I think one of Gafford or Washington probably is gone, or at least should be used to get something else rather than letting both hit free agency in a year. One thing to keep in mind is Gafford can likely be extended off his current number, so Dallas might could lock him up now. Washington is very unlikely to extend off his current number because the market for his archetype is so much stronger than the one for Gafford's.

And yeah Lively/AD aren't dependable. Now ideally you trade Gafford and then backfill backup center at a cheaper salary point and Washington is okay knowing he's going to be a high minute bench guy and will re-sign understanding that. But I think that's pretty optimistic. He's not dumb. He sees Flagg and Lively as part of the future and AD the current and that the team will want that to be the frontcourt.

But that's all aside from what's fair value for Jrue. And the issues that arise with the fact Dallas has no neutral matching. The closest to that is probably Klay but on this board we mostly all see him as a negative, some a big one, other like me, think its overplayed for a guy who still provides a ton of spacing because of how team's defend him. Then Martin is probably a negative coming off last season and with the length of his deal. Hardy a natural matching addition for Dallas, but also negative because he 's not very good.


Now I think Jrue is negative value. Defensive guards just don't get paid like he is paid and I think we have real questions about what kind of offensive player he is going to be moving forward. Now he's a better player than what Dallas would be moving but he also is due more money and for longer. Seems like it offsets it enough that Gafford's value shouldn't go to a team other than Dallas.

But maybe the Jrue market is as strong as all the Boston-centric media is trying to paint. But I'm skeptical.

[BK_2020]

The problem is they are to good even without Tatum to tank.

Do you think so? Pritchard - White - Brown - Tillman or something - Porzingis for 30 games with Drew Peterson and Walsh coming off the bench? I think we have a bottom 5 record locked up.

Really?
Maybe I am off but I do t they can get to the lotto without trading Brown and White.
I mean they could really milk Browns knee, and sit Porzingis for 2 games for every one he would normally miss. Doesn’t see likely though, who knows.
Brown,White, Porzingis and Pritchard are all top 50 guys in impact. There is Hauser or Jrue….one of those guys is likely back. If they do trade Jrue they might bring Horford or Kornet back, and will have some dude that might be playable coming back in the trade.
I think the roster even without Tatum will be better than you think.

It would be very difficult to bring all of Hauser, Horford and Kornet back and still duck the 2nd apron. Jrue would have to bring back only minimum salaries and Horford and Kornet would both have to sign for the minimum, basically. Maybe Horford does that to compete for a ring but not for a chance to make the playoffs.
Alternately, Jrue could bring back good players who are cheap but that what GM would do that for us?

[Ball4life32]

For Atlanta, do the fans really want to continue down the path of mediocrity? We just watched what Indiana was able to do and in the blink of an eye they're effed for next year. Boston is probably out of it for at least a year. Cleveland is still in a state of shock, NY has no way to meaningfully improve, and you've been passed by Detroit. Orlando saw this and they've made their move. Yes Brown is expensive, but the Hawks are very fortunate to have JJ locked up on a great contract. They need to take advantage of that and Brown would be phenomenal for the Hawks. Who's the best passing PG he's played with- Marcus Smart? Jaylen Brown meet Trae Young. Also, JB is one of the best transition players in the league and the Celtics play slow. Their style is not conducive to his strengths but rather it exasperates his weaknesses. He gets paid a lot of money but it's for his prime years. I think it's a move they should make and if it doesn't work out, then maybe it's time to move Young. Also, Gafford isn't great but he's an excellent lob threat and fit.

Young
Daniels
Brown
Johnson
Gafford

You don't want that?

The concern is you would only have that for this year coming up before it needs to get pieced out to fit with the contracts. If Trae accepts the option and Dyson and Gafford are on new deals ($25 million per year base isn't unrealistic), you are looking at a 26-27 salary of over $185 million just for the starting 5. Add in bench pieces and that luxury tax bill isn't something Ressler is going to want to pay.

I know the lineup on paper is great, but with a stingy owner money has to be taken into consideration. Ressler is much more content fielding a team that isn't a tax paying team and is a mid-seed than making a true title contender.

Not to mention the Hawks have traded Dejounte, Collins, Huerter, Bogi, Hunter over the last few seasons. It's not like they have the same team and they retooled around a younger team better fitting team around Trae... and I think they make the playoffs if Jalen Johnson doesn't go down. Every single one of the Hawks projected starters even Trae (who's the oldest starter btw) could improve with how young they are... so they aren't guaranteed stuck at all.

[Cricket23]

For Atlanta, do the fans really want to continue down the path of mediocrity? We just watched what Indiana was able to do and in the blink of an eye they're effed for next year. Boston is probably out of it for at least a year. Cleveland is still in a state of shock, NY has no way to meaningfully improve, and you've been passed by Detroit. Orlando saw this and they've made their move. Yes Brown is expensive, but the Hawks are very fortunate to have JJ locked up on a great contract. They need to take advantage of that and Brown would be phenomenal for the Hawks. Who's the best passing PG he's played with- Marcus Smart? Jaylen Brown meet Trae Young. Also, JB is one of the best transition players in the league and the Celtics play slow. Their style is not conducive to his strengths but rather it exasperates his weaknesses. He gets paid a lot of money but it's for his prime years. I think it's a move they should make and if it doesn't work out, then maybe it's time to move Young. Also, Gafford isn't great but he's an excellent lob threat and fit.

Young
Daniels
Brown
Johnson
Gafford

You don't want that?

The concern is you would only have that for this year coming up before it needs to get pieced out to fit with the contracts. If Trae accepts the option and Dyson and Gafford are on new deals ($25 million per year base isn't unrealistic), you are looking at a 26-27 salary of over $185 million just for the starting 5. Add in bench pieces and that luxury tax bill isn't something Ressler is going to want to pay.

I know the lineup on paper is great, but with a stingy owner money has to be taken into consideration. Ressler is much more content fielding a team that isn't a tax paying team and is a mid-seed than making a true title contender.

I think Gafford is more likely to be closer to 15 million per year, but yes, the owner doesn't want to spend. That's a legitimate obstacle, but that has been typically the case with Orlando as well and they decided to go all in.

[Cricket23]

One thing to keep in mind is Gafford can likely be extended off his current number, so Dallas might could lock him up now.

[Texas Chuck]

8-)

One thing to keep in mind is Gafford can likely be extended off his current number, so Dallas might could lock him up now.

even a blind squirrel....

but it just was the obvious thing. Try and extend him and if he won't look to trade him. I'm assuming they offered Washington the biggest deal they can give him and it went nowhere. Kinda last last summer they offered extensions to Grimes(who obviously refused) and Hardy and well that went poorly....