Durant to Houston

[Dez]

Don’t like it for HOU.

If Suns play their cards right they could be a playoff team next year.

They won't sniff the playoffs, how can you believe that?

Turn Green and the 10th pick into vet starters.

They sucked with KD and loaded up on the same position and got worse, they'll be horrific.

[Chi town]

They won't sniff the playoffs, how can you believe that?

Turn Green and the 10th pick into vet starters.

They sucked with KD and loaded up on the same position and got worse, they'll be horrific.

Not the finished product yet.

Highly motivated crazy rich owner.

They don’t own their picks moving fwd.

High motive to win

[Dez]

Turn Green and the 10th pick into vet starters.

They sucked with KD and loaded up on the same position and got worse, they'll be horrific.

Not the finished product yet.

Highly motivated crazy rich owner.

They don’t own their picks moving fwd.

High motive to win

That crazy rich owner is why they are where they are, he's clueless.

They have a garbage roster with 2 assets, Devin Booker and #10.

The rest are trash.

[jnrjr79]

They wont trade Green, Beal will be gone.. they have a lot of work to do, to get some PGs, wings and center

Beal has a NTC. What team that he would actually want to go to would have interest in trading for that albatross contract?

[nitetrain8603]

From a trade value perspective, I think this is a pretty equal deal.

From a fit perspective, it sucks for the Suns. It's also not great for Houston unless they have 3 other deals lined up. KD can't play 70 games a year anymore. He also can't carry you and give you 50 when you need it anymore. Still a solid 25ppg scorer with 30 once a week, but that's about it. Defensively, he's average at PF.

[DuckIII]

Turn Green and the 10th pick into vet starters.

They sucked with KD and loaded up on the same position and got worse, they'll be horrific.

Not the finished product yet.

Highly motivated crazy rich owner.

They don’t own their picks moving fwd.

High motive to win

They are F’d. There’s nothing they can do to be a postseason player next year. Take a look at the West.

1. The only team in front of them that you can assume will fall is Sacto.

2. The Spurs and Portland are behind them.

3. They no longer have Durant and replaced him with a significantly inferior, albeit very talented, young piece as the primary return.

4. They can make some moves and certainly will, but as of today there is not a more woefully unbalanced roster in the NBA. It’s all shooting guards.

[DuckIII]

They wont trade Green, Beal will be gone.. they have a lot of work to do, to get some PGs, wings and center

Beal has a NTC. What team that he would actually want to go to would have interest in trading for that albatross contract?

Plus they have nothing to attach to him. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

[Ice Man]

It's a good trade for Houston, unless that #10 pick turns out to be a star. LIfe will go on just find for Houston without Green & Brooks, and while KD isn't what he once was he's still a good fit for the Rockets, which desperately need a go-to scorer.

[DuckIII]

From a trade value perspective, I think this is a pretty equal deal.

From a fit perspective, it sucks for the Suns. It's also not great for Houston unless they have 3 other deals lined up. KD can't play 70 games a year anymore. He also can't carry you and give you 50 when you need it anymore. Still a solid 25ppg scorer with 30 once a week, but that's about it. Defensively, he's average at PF.

Unless he gets injured in a way to end his season, I don’t think it matters that much. They gave up so little to get him, they are still comfortably a playoff team even resting him regularly and giving him extra time for minor injuries. They just need him for the postseason.

On the court, he’s kind of a perfect fit for them. I think it was an excellent and logical trade for Houston. For the Suns it’s just what it is - one of many negative consequences for their ham fisted attempt to create one of the dumbest “super teams” in history.

[MGB8]

I wonder if they (can / would want to) turn Green into Kuminga. I could also see a few other teams having interest in Green, like maybe: Denver for Porter Jr. given what happened in the playoffs; the Bucks in a package around Dame as part of a retool - and maybe Sixers re Paul George; Portland if they have doubts about either Sharpe or Simmons; Detroit to add more firepower if can get him cheap, and Washington to add talent to a team that needs some - maybe Charlotte for similar reasons.

[DuckIII]

I wonder if they (can / would want to) turn Green into Kuminga. I could also see a few other teams having interest in Green, like maybe: Denver for Porter Jr. given what happened in the playoffs; the Bucks in a package around Dame as part of a retool - and maybe Sixers re Paul George; Portland if they have doubts about either Sharpe or Simmons; Detroit to add more firepower if can get him cheap, and Washington to add talent to a team that needs some - maybe Charlotte for similar reasons.

They say they aren't flipping Green, but what are their options if they don't? They intend Booker to be Mr. Sun. He's not getting traded unless he demands it. They can trade Brooks, but he's hardly going to return much in future assets.

The Suns will be one of the more interesting, albeit utterly meaningless for years because they are totally screwed, off-seasons to watch.

Your idea of trading Green for Kuminga makes a ton of sense.

[MGB8]

I wonder if they (can / would want to) turn Green into Kuminga. I could also see a few other teams having interest in Green, like maybe: Denver for Porter Jr. given what happened in the playoffs; the Bucks in a package around Dame as part of a retool - and maybe Sixers re Paul George; Portland if they have doubts about either Sharpe or Simmons; Detroit to add more firepower if can get him cheap, and Washington to add talent to a team that needs some - maybe Charlotte for similar reasons.

They say they aren't flipping Green, but what are their options if they don't? They intend Booker to be Mr. Sun. He's not getting traded unless he demands it. They can trade Brooks, but he's hardly going to return much in future assets.

The Suns will be one of the more interesting, albeit utterly meaningless for years because they are totally screwed, off-seasons to watch.

Your idea of trading Green for Kuminga makes a ton of sense.

They keep wanting to force Booker to play point for them, even when that isn’t his optimal use (and he isn’t like Kobe or even MJ where he is so good that non-optimal use almost doesn’t matter). So maybe they are back to doubling down on that, hoping that not having Durant’s usage at the 4 (or 3/4) will open things up?

[ghostinthepost1]

If the Bulls were smart they would offer the Suns: Vooch, Lonzo, and Huerter for Beal and #10. Hopefully we could talk Beal into waiving his NTC due to his prior relationship with Billy.

[sco]

If the Bulls were smart they would offer the Suns: Vooch, Lonzo, and Huerter for Beal and #10. Hopefully we could talk Beal into waiving his NTC due to his prior relationship with Billy.

I was advocating trying to buy low on Beal, but at the time PHO had no picks. I love the deal because it would roll forward our expirings one year while giving Beal a chance to redeem his value, plus obviously, give us #10.

[WindyCityBorn]

I guess the Suns want all the SGs.

Beal, Booker and now Green...

Apparently if they can't trade Beal, they will just buy him out.

Biggest buyout in league history?

[WindyCityBorn]

They wont trade Green, Beal will be gone.. they have a lot of work to do, to get some PGs, wings and center

Beal won’t be going anywhere unless the buy him out for nearly his entire contract.

[WindyCityBorn]

If the Bulls were smart they would offer the Suns: Vooch, Lonzo, and Huerter for Beal and #10. Hopefully we could talk Beal into waiving his NTC due to his prior relationship with Billy.

Why Hell would we want Beal? Screw the #10 pick.

[sco]

If the Bulls were smart they would offer the Suns: Vooch, Lonzo, and Huerter for Beal and #10. Hopefully we could talk Beal into waiving his NTC due to his prior relationship with Billy.

Why Hell would we want Beal? Screw the #10 pick.

Here's my logic. I think his play last season was impacted by a limited last offseason coupled with no touches for a guy who needs the ball. You'd be compensated with the #10 pick who looks to be a potential starting-caliber player in this draft. He will very likely be much better than the guys you send out in the trade. There's no way we're using our expirings this season, so this punts that forward one season (although his NTC could limit that value). It also allows us to explore trading Coby without losing anything offensively.

[jnrjr79]

They wont trade Green, Beal will be gone.. they have a lot of work to do, to get some PGs, wings and center

Beal has a NTC. What team that he would actually want to go to would have interest in trading for that albatross contract?

Plus they have nothing to attach to him. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Well, they traded their 2031 1st for 3 future firsts (though each one of those is some sort of "least valuable between Team X and Team Y's pick"), plus they just got #10.

But this gets to the pickle: the type of team that might take those 3 picks + 10 to eat Beal's contract is going to be a bad team willing to absorb contracts for those picks. It's something OKC would have done early in the rebuild, maybe. But Beal isn't going to waive his NTC to go to one of those teams (presumably he'd want to land with a good team, but a good team would not do this sort of a deal). So, it would seem the only way for this to work would be for the team trading for Beal to agree that they will buy him out and let him go sign somewhere appealing. Does PHX have enough capital to incentivize some rebuilding team to do this? Would Phoenix itself want to attach all that to get out of the deal?

[Peelboy]

Brad Beal has 2 years left on his deal. Are the Bulls realistically, under any practical scenario (ala not in AK's head, but in the real world) contenders next year or year after? Not a chance in hell.

So this lets you get the #10 in what is supposedly a strong draft. Grab a wing (KJ) or a big (Queen, Malauch, Sorber), grab the other at 12. Resigned Giddey, Matas, those 2. Then you can decide on Coby.

Basically the Bulls give up cap space, which is useful for them only in this exact manner, and spare parts from their perspective for the #10.

Assuming something like this is available, the only reason not to do it is if you think you can get a better set of assets in exchange for Vuc, Lonzo, Huerter. Maybe, but that seems pretty risky. The fact that you tie up cap with Beal is meaningless at worst, and if he rebounds under Billy and is flippable in the last year of his deal as a productive expiring contract could be useful (although hard to trade that level of salary even if he's a useful player).