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[Klomp]

Isn't it funny how all the most successful franchises in the long term are so good at playing the long game and not making a bunch of short term sacrifices?

What short-term sacrifice did the Minnesota Timberwolves make?

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Can we close this thread?

[guest81]

Are we still firing Connelly for a rumored trade that people hated but never came to pass?

[Klomp]

Are we still firing Connelly for a rumored trade that people hated but never came to pass?

Sure seems like it. He clearly gave up too much!

[Slim Tubby]

Are we still firing Connelly for a rumored trade that people hated but never came to pass?

As a Wolves fan, I'll never forgive him for this hypothetical transaction fueled by fan speculation.

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[Battletrigger]

I like how people see this trade package and still have the audacity to think that Minnesota was “giving up the farm” with their trade offers.

I’m totally confident that the offer was Julius Randle based, now that we’ve seen the deal that Phoenix took.

Come on man, the only positive assets the Suns got back were the draft picks.
2 bad multiyear contracts
the 10th pick in a 8-9 player draft
5 2nd round picks which all look to be back half of the 2nd round picks at best.

We were offering at minimum 2 positive win now players in DDV and Randle or Gobert.
The rumors that we were throwing in the 17th pick plus TJ and/or Rob were the things that were making people angry.
And with TCs history those rumors were probably true.

It was rumored just a few days ago PHX really liked our offer and was ready to pull the trigger and I think it was only then that KD torpedoed it.

ESPN had us as winners in the trade simply for not making it because it would have left us with a depleted and messed up roster.

Now watch as the Spurs are smartly biding their time to make a run at Giannis when the opportunity presents itself.

Isn't it funny how all the most successful franchises in the long term are so good at playing the long game and not making a bunch of short term sacrifices?

And this is a clear example that you not even need the media inventions to manipulate you. You can make it yourself with zero proofs

[younggunsmn]

I like how people see this trade package and still have the audacity to think that Minnesota was “giving up the farm” with their trade offers.

I’m totally confident that the offer was Julius Randle based, now that we’ve seen the deal that Phoenix took.

Come on man, the only positive assets the Suns got back were the draft picks.
2 bad multiyear contracts
the 10th pick in a 8-9 player draft
5 2nd round picks which all look to be back half of the 2nd round picks at best.

We were offering at minimum 2 positive win now players in DDV and Randle or Gobert.
The rumors that we were throwing in the 17th pick plus TJ and/or Rob were the things that were making people angry.
And with TCs history those rumors were probably true.

It was rumored just a few days ago PHX really liked our offer and was ready to pull the trigger and I think it was only then that KD torpedoed it.

ESPN had us as winners in the trade simply for not making it because it would have left us with a depleted and messed up roster.

Now watch as the Spurs are smartly biding their time to make a run at Giannis when the opportunity presents itself.

Isn't it funny how all the most successful franchises in the long term are so good at playing the long game and not making a bunch of short term sacrifices?

And this is a clear example that you not even need the media inventions to manipulate you. You can make it yourself with zero proofs

5 first round picks and a swap for a supermaxed post-30 Rudy Gobert. That never happened.
Nor did he trade away almost every available Denver 1st round pick before he left there either. That never happened.

[Worm Guts]

Come on man, the only positive assets the Suns got back were the draft picks.
2 bad multiyear contracts
the 10th pick in a 8-9 player draft
5 2nd round picks which all look to be back half of the 2nd round picks at best.

We were offering at minimum 2 positive win now players in DDV and Randle or Gobert.
The rumors that we were throwing in the 17th pick plus TJ and/or Rob were the things that were making people angry.
And with TCs history those rumors were probably true.

It was rumored just a few days ago PHX really liked our offer and was ready to pull the trigger and I think it was only then that KD torpedoed it.

ESPN had us as winners in the trade simply for not making it because it would have left us with a depleted and messed up roster.

Now watch as the Spurs are smartly biding their time to make a run at Giannis when the opportunity presents itself.

Isn't it funny how all the most successful franchises in the long term are so good at playing the long game and not making a bunch of short term sacrifices?

And this is a clear example that you not even need the media inventions to manipulate you. You can make it yourself with zero proofs

5 first round picks and a swap for a supermaxed post-30 Rudy Gobert. That never happened.
.

And obviously that has turned out terrible for us….

[younggunsmn]

Isn't it funny how all the most successful franchises in the long term are so good at playing the long game and not making a bunch of short term sacrifices?

What short-term sacrifice did the Minnesota Timberwolves make?

How many examples of transactions with near term benefits and long term pain do you need?

5 first round picks and a supermax amount of salary space for Rudy Gobert.
Unprotected 1st and swap 6 and 7 YEARS out for Rob Dillingham.
Trading 5 years of KAT and the main return was a guy who was 2 years older and had an opt-out plus a bench shooter who will bolt in free agency like he was just released from prison 2 years from now.

[younggunsmn]

And this is a clear example that you not even need the media inventions to manipulate you. You can make it yourself with zero proofs

5 first round picks and a swap for a supermaxed post-30 Rudy Gobert. That never happened.
.

And obviously that has turned out terrible for us….

We could have been better long term with a much higher ceiling if we had built more patiently.
So many other roads that could have been taken.
We avoided the play-in on the very last day of the season and won playoff series against 2 incredibly weak teams, one with an injured star player and the other with zero depth.

We also got smoked by OKC and a big part of that was that Rudy Gobert was such a huge albatross on the offensive end that teams got away with literally not guarding him all playoffs long.
Outside of one game Rudy had an absolutely atrocious and ineffective playoffs.


My original point was that Tim Connelly has a long history of not valuing draft picks the way most other GMs do and that is absolutely unequivocally true. Just wait til Wednesday. You'll see.

[Klomp]

Isn't it funny how all the most successful franchises in the long term are so good at playing the long game and not making a bunch of short term sacrifices?

What short-term sacrifice did the Minnesota Timberwolves make?

How many examples of transactions with near term benefits and long term pain do you need?

5 first round picks and a supermax amount of salary space for Rudy Gobert.
Unprotected 1st and swap 6 and 7 YEARS out for Rob Dillingham.
Trading 5 years of KAT and the main return was a guy who was 2 years older and had an opt-out plus a bench shooter who will bolt in free agency like he was just released from prison 2 years from now.

None of those sacrificed the short-term though? Maybe the Towns trade, if anything.

[Klomp]

We could have been better long term with a much higher ceiling if we had built more patiently.

Could have. The theme of the previous 20 seasons before Tim Connelly.

[Worm Guts]

5 first round picks and a swap for a supermaxed post-30 Rudy Gobert. That never happened.
.

And obviously that has turned out terrible for us….

We could have been better long term with a much higher ceiling if we had built more patiently.

Over the 36 years of Timberwolves history, I’ve heard a lot about the virtues of patience. It never really turned into much. One rebuild just lead to next rebuild.
I’m not saying, there aren’t necessarily alternative paths that could have worked just as well or better, it’s just nice to have a competitive team for once.

[younggunsmn]

We could have been better long term with a much higher ceiling if we had built more patiently.

Could have. The theme of the previous 20 seasons before Tim Connelly.

Yep and now we're the Rudy Gobert era Jazz except Rudy Gobert isn't in his prime anymore and Mike Conley is well past being an effective starter.

[Klomp]

We could have been better long term with a much higher ceiling if we had built more patiently.

Could have. The theme of the previous 20 seasons before Tim Connelly.

Yep and now we're the Rudy Gobert era Jazz except Rudy Gobert isn't in his prime anymore and Mike Conley is well past being an effective starter.

Are you familiar with Anthony Edwards?

[younggunsmn]

And obviously that has turned out terrible for us….

We could have been better long term with a much higher ceiling if we had built more patiently.

Over the 36 years of Timberwolves history, I’ve heard a lot about the virtues of patience. It never really turned into much. One rebuild just lead to next rebuild.
I’m not saying, there aren’t necessarily alternative paths that could have worked just as well or better, it’s just nice to have a competitive team for once.

Lets be honest most of the players we tried to build around between trading KG and drafting Ant, with the exception of KAT, just plain sucked or were turnstiles defensively. Because we sucked at drafting and choosing players to build with.

Winning the lottery twice with an elite player to pick that year had 80% to do with the success we've had the past 4 years and turning things around.

Ant, KAT, Jaden, Naz, and Finch were all here when TC got hired.
I personally don't think he's done a whole helluva lot with the massive amount of assets he has used to build the current roster.

[younggunsmn]

Could have. The theme of the previous 20 seasons before Tim Connelly.

Yep and now we're the Rudy Gobert era Jazz except Rudy Gobert isn't in his prime anymore and Mike Conley is well past being an effective starter.

Are you familiar with Anthony Edwards?

Are you familiar with Donovan Mitchell or do I have to point out that they're basically the same player and that Mitchell played on those Jazz teams?

[BlacJacMac]

Yep and now we're the Rudy Gobert era Jazz except Rudy Gobert isn't in his prime anymore and Mike Conley is well past being an effective starter.

Are you familiar with Anthony Edwards?

Are you familiar with Donovan Mitchell or do I have to point out that they're basically the same player and that Mitchell played on those Jazz teams?

And never made it out of the 2nd round despite a younger Gobert and Conley.

[Klomp]

Yep and now we're the Rudy Gobert era Jazz except Rudy Gobert isn't in his prime anymore and Mike Conley is well past being an effective starter.

Are you familiar with Anthony Edwards?

Are you familiar with Donovan Mitchell or do I have to point out that they're basically the same player and that Mitchell played on those Jazz teams?

Anthony Edwards has made two all-NBA second teams. Utah Mitchell didn't get named to a single all-NBA team.

[guest81]

5 first round picks and a swap for a supermaxed post-30 Rudy Gobert. That never happened.
.

And obviously that has turned out terrible for us….

We could have been better long term with a much higher ceiling if we had built more patiently.
So many other roads that could have been taken.
We avoided the play-in on the very last day of the season and won playoff series against 2 incredibly weak teams, one with an injured star player and the other with zero depth.

We also got smoked by OKC and a big part of that was that Rudy Gobert was such a huge albatross on the offensive end that teams got away with literally not guarding him all playoffs long.
Outside of one game Rudy had an absolutely atrocious and ineffective playoffs.


My original point was that Tim Connelly has a long history of not valuing draft picks the way most other GMs do and that is absolutely unequivocally true. Just wait til Wednesday. You'll see.

Most of their core is under 25, they have a first round pick this year, and they've come off of 2 straight WCF. But yea terrible team building I guess