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[Klomp]

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I do think it's interesting. With Tatum and Haliburton going down, a chance at home-court advantage in the East will be there for the taking. Orlando is already making its move, but will another team join them? Does Quin Snyder push to add his former all-NBA center? Does Miami or Detroit feel like they are one Julius Randle away from making a run? Any other big moves out there?

[SUPERVILLAIN]

It's nuts how the defending champion can still get better via trade quite easily. We all know they own a big bank of picks. They have a number of good-sized contracts to match salaries too.

If you're the GM, what trade would you make to increase the chance of winning back-to-back championships?

[Texas Chuck]

It's nuts how the defending champion can still get better via trade quite easily. We all know they own a big bank of picks. They have a number of good-sized contracts to match salaries too.

If you're the GM, what trade would you make to increase the chance of winning back-to-back championships?

Heads up I moved this here where it seems better suited. If you have some specific ideas for OKC you want to create threads for, by all means go ahead.

[Klomp]

It's nuts how the defending champion can still get better via trade quite easily. We all know they own a big bank of picks. They have a number of good-sized contracts to match salaries too.

If you're the GM, what trade would you make to increase the chance of winning back-to-back championships?

If they are lacking anywhere, it's probably at backup big and the frontcourt reserves in general.

[jayjaysee]

My opinion on OKC is pretty boring..

Trade 15 and 24 for whatever future draft capital you can, even just turning 24 into a swap next season since they still own the better of Houston/OKC..

Trade Dieng+seconds for Ayo. Good enough help and cheap enough that you don’t care about flipping him if Topic is ready.

Then whether through trade or free agency, try to find a big forward that fits under the tax. Don’t need to even really trade for PJ if you want to hoard your draft capital.. some decent free agent forwards that could play 10-15mpg most nights and help a bit.

I’d wait until after next season to decide on who you lose due to tax. Just have another monster season 10+ deep and then look at moving Joe or whoever else. Or just keep everyone.

[Klomp]

Here's a unique trade concept I just thought about....

People like to say early 2nds can be more valuable than late 1sts. So if there's someone Minnesota likes but doesn't want to wait for, could they trade 31 and someone like Josh Minott or Leonard Miller to move up into the mid or late 20s if a team doesn't want the late 1st cap hold? Boston and Phoenix, for example, have their share of luxury tax concerns.

[SkyHook]

Here's a unique trade concept I just thought about....

People like to say early 2nds can be more valuable than late 1sts. So if there's someone Minnesota likes but doesn't want to wait for, could they trade 31 and someone like Josh Minott or Leonard Miller to move up into the mid or late 20s if a team doesn't want the late 1st cap hold? Boston and Phoenix, for example, have their share of luxury tax concerns.

We've had this discussion here and I think it can be preferable, not more valuable, only in the very limited circumstances that you mention here. I like it for the Celtics with the inclusion of one of those two players or Garza.

[Texas Chuck]

People like to say early 2nds can be more valuable than late 1sts.

People do like to say this. Pretty sure its not actually true because we don't see teams add value to trade down from the late 1st into the early 2nd but we see teams add value to move up.

You have more prospects to choose from and you get a better contract structure. The tiny amount of money you save doesn't offset these things.

We go through this every draft though.

[oldncreaky]

It's nuts how the defending champion can still get better via trade quite easily. We all know they own a big bank of picks. They have a number of good-sized contracts to match salaries too.

If you're the GM, what trade would you make to increase the chance of winning back-to-back championships?

If they are lacking anywhere, it's probably at backup big and the frontcourt reserves in general.

It's been posted a bunch of times on TnT, but OKC overpaying for Avdija with a bunch of draft capital makes a lot of sense

[Godaddycurse]

People like to say early 2nds can be more valuable than late 1sts.

People do like to say this. Pretty sure its not actually true because we don't see teams add value to trade down from the late 1st into the early 2nd but we see teams add value to move up.

You have more prospects to choose from and you get a better contract structure. The tiny amount of money you save doesn't offset these things.

We go through this every draft though.

Ya it would take multiple early 2nds to get a late 1st. Or an actual prospect instead of JAG's

[oldncreaky]

People like to say early 2nds can be more valuable than late 1sts.

People do like to say this. Pretty sure its not actually true because we don't see teams add value to trade down from the late 1st into the early 2nd but we see teams add value to move up.

You have more prospects to choose from and you get a better contract structure. The tiny amount of money you save doesn't offset these things.

We go through this every draft though.

I think the changes to the CBA to allow teams that are over the cap to sign SRPs to rookie deals of 3 or 4 years with full bird rights has increased the value of SRPs significantly.

That makes high SRPs worth almost as much as late FRPs, but not equal or more.

[Godaddycurse]

People like to say early 2nds can be more valuable than late 1sts.

People do like to say this. Pretty sure its not actually true because we don't see teams add value to trade down from the late 1st into the early 2nd but we see teams add value to move up.

You have more prospects to choose from and you get a better contract structure. The tiny amount of money you save doesn't offset these things.

We go through this every draft though.

I think the changes to the CBA to allow teams that are over the cap to sign SRPs to rookie deals of 3 or 4 years with full bird rights has increased the value of SRPs significantly.

That makes high SRPs worth almost as much as late FRPs, but not equal or more.

Conversely the NIL will decrease the pool of prospects in 2nd round and make FRPs more valuable. the extra year of RFA vs UFA is also still a big difference maker

[Klomp]

People like to say early 2nds can be more valuable than late 1sts.

People do like to say this. Pretty sure its not actually true because we don't see teams add value to trade down from the late 1st into the early 2nd but we see teams add value to move up.

You have more prospects to choose from and you get a better contract structure. The tiny amount of money you save doesn't offset these things.

We go through this every draft though.

Ya it would take multiple early 2nds to get a late 1st. Or an actual prospect instead of JAG's

I'm guessing you're referrint to Minott/Miller as JAGs since I mentioned them? If so, I mentioned them because they were both decently thought of during their draft cycles, but were just young and lacked seasoning. With years in an NBA development setting, I was wondering if someone would take a chance.

With the NILs, I think 2nd round picks are currently longer shots than they were even 3 years ago. And both Miller and Minott are still young enough where they are right in the same age bracket as most of the prospects under consideration by this point in the draft.

[Godaddycurse]

People do like to say this. Pretty sure its not actually true because we don't see teams add value to trade down from the late 1st into the early 2nd but we see teams add value to move up.

You have more prospects to choose from and you get a better contract structure. The tiny amount of money you save doesn't offset these things.

We go through this every draft though.

Ya it would take multiple early 2nds to get a late 1st. Or an actual prospect instead of JAG's

I'm guessing you're referrint to Minott/Miller as JAGs since I mentioned them? If so, I mentioned them because they were both decently thought of during their draft cycles, but were just young and lacked seasoning. With years in an NBA development setting, I was wondering if someone would take a chance.

With the NILs, I think 2nd round picks are currently longer shots than they were even 3 years ago. And both Miller and Minott are still young enough where they are right in the same age bracket as most of the prospects under consideration by this point in the draft.

Miller and Minott have much fewer years of control than 2nd round picks remaining. They havent shown anything yet to suggest they are rotation players so still JAG for me. Dont see why/how they are better than G League standouts for a teams 12-15th spot on the bench

[kobe_vs_jordan]

It's nuts how the defending champion can still get better via trade quite easily. We all know they own a big bank of picks. They have a number of good-sized contracts to match salaries too.

If you're the GM, what trade would you make to increase the chance of winning back-to-back championships?

Al Horford and Robert Williams would be my cheap targets .

Give team another year of growth. Make a deadline deal to support any in season injuries .

[Klomp]

Miller and Minott have much fewer years of control than 2nd round picks remaining. They havent shown anything yet to suggest they are rotation players so still JAG for me. Dont see why/how they are better than G League standouts for a teams 12-15th spot on the bench

The team control is absolutely valid and likely why something like this doesn't happen. However, Minott has shown flashes at this level at least, which most G League standouts have not.

[LightTheBeam]

The one thing id actually suggest for okc, they need more of a backup playmaker. When Shai was out they had some real rough offensive stretches. I also think a pnr guard who can beat guys off the dribble opens up chet and all the 3pt shooters.

Monk comes to mind, im sure there's 10 other dudes like this. If I was them id be offering Joe or Wiggins + a pick for that kind of guy.

[Devilanche]

It's nuts how the defending champion can still get better via trade quite easily. We all know they own a big bank of picks. They have a number of good-sized contracts to match salaries too.

If you're the GM, what trade would you make to increase the chance of winning back-to-back championships?

Someone who can make a damn shot in the playoffs .

[Devilanche]

It's nuts how the defending champion can still get better via trade quite easily. We all know they own a big bank of picks. They have a number of good-sized contracts to match salaries too.

If you're the GM, what trade would you make to increase the chance of winning back-to-back championships?

If they are lacking anywhere, it's probably at backup big and the frontcourt reserves in general.

It's been posted a bunch of times on TnT, but OKC overpaying for Avdija with a bunch of draft capital makes a lot of sense

I don’t think Portland will move him, even at what is considered a reasonable overpay.

[jbk1234]

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I do think it's interesting. With Tatum and Haliburton going down, a chance at home-court advantage in the East will be there for the taking. Orlando is already making its move, but will another team join them? Does Quin Snyder push to add his former all-NBA center? Does Miami or Detroit feel like they are one Julius Randle away from making a run? Any other big moves out there?

The Pistons are offensively starved enough to talk themselves into it, but neither the Heat nor the Hawks are a single player away from contending in the East.

I really don't understand why fans insist that the West is better. It's better 7-10, but those teams aren't really contenders so I don't see that as a particularly relevant consideration when you're talking about trading to give yourself a shot at contending. The Lakers, Clippers, and Warriors have critical players who are old so of course they're going to be less risk adverse when it comes to trades.