2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[djFan71]

Speaking of, and I hate to say it, I’m sure Houston would be really happy to poach Horford this offseason.

Indiana fans on T&T are talking about signing Kornet away too.

At the cost of letting Turner go? Because unless they're doing that, I don't see them going deeper into the tax for him. It'd be going to IND for low money or staying in BOS for low money and I think he'd stay in BOS. Not worried about them poaching him on a minimum deal, which is all I can see them offering unless they let Turner go.

Yeah, that was one guy’s idea. S&T Turner, sign Kornet, play Jackson.

[SparringPartner]

Why the hell did Toronto get rid of Pascal, Siakam and OG Adonoby??

Treadmill without Kawhi

Cashed in assets, but not a great return. Then maxed out Quickly. smh

[SparringPartner]

Retooling is fine. Adding another dimension is fine. But trading Brown for the sake of getting the contract out of here and trying something new is knee jerk. You try something new by trading KP or Jrue to extend your window which is still wide open as long as you have JT White and Brown. If you trade Brown you’re going to be in a slightly better situation than Milwaukee in 2 years only because you have younger talent and all your picks except the one owed to SAS.

I can’t see Boston blowing it up around Tatum and Tatum playing good soldier for more than a year. He’s under contract so they can deal with him or whatever but when a player asks out they usually get what they want.

OKC is a bad matchup if the Celtics don’t have the P&R going to Zingis. If they were healthy going into the playoffs I’m not sure we aren’t sitting here this morning and celebrating back to back titles. Jrue was hurt, Zingis was hurt, Jaylen was clearly hurt if he needed surgery. If Joe needed to learn something it’s give the bench more run.

The key this year to all of the moves they’ll make is Hauser. He’s going to get moved but depending what they get for him will kind of dictate where they go. Maybe he’s in a package with Jrue and someone else. Who knows?

Depends on the return for JB. Hard to know what that’ll be, and it can’t be a salary dump move, obviously.

[SparringPartner]

Lacking in IQ, come on. They're record as a twosome is incredible. Lots of knee jerk going on here.

JT's shooting % is way down the last 2 seasons because he keeps jacking up 3s even if there's a defender contesting the shot.

JB is in his 9th season in the NBA and he still dribbles the ball even when there are multiple defenders around him.

Those are things the Pacers and OKC don't do.

It's basketball 101.

Why force a shot when you can pass the ball or drive to the basket instead.

And players in high school are taught to not dribble the ball when there are multiple defenders around you.

Agreed. JB/JT started out so well this year, especially JT. For whatever reason they regressed to 2021 levels, at times, post all-star weekend.

[SparringPartner]

It says highly intelligent, focused team that plays together with low egos from its superstars.

KP cannot be counted on and the C’s defense without him was one of the worst in the league.

I definitely agree with your low ego superstars take!

Offensively, if the 3’s are falling the C’s look like a highly intelligent team, if not..
This has to be addressed!

I love Mazzulla, but he has to address these issues no matter what moves Brad makes.

[SparringPartner]

I still think Brad finds a way to sneak into the lottery without trading Brown, White, or Tatum.

Interesting. That would be amazing. Any ideas how?

I wonder if the SAS values shooting enough to trade #14 for Hauser.

Castle, Fox, Harper (maybe), Johnson, Sochan not good shooters

[SparringPartner]

I'm not convinced that Giannis is staying in Milwaukee. Except for him, most of the potential "big dominoes" are Celtics.

I have a feeling something very unexpected is going to happen. Watch Memphis and New Orleans.

Suggesting Ja & Zion moves?

[SparringPartner]

All good points. To add on, that's the reason Celtics struggled against the Miami Heat in recent years prior to the championship as the latter had defenders who would either poke the ball on the dribble or even just strip the ball on the way up for the shot. Same issue would have materialized against the Thunder, who are an historically elite defensive team.

Team Brad did choose to hire a young and unproven coach to lead a team with championship aspirations. Mazzulla has shown he can evolve and get better. I friggin love his no-nonsense mentality. He needs to show he can evolve from the 3, a bit, next year imo to show further growth.

It also depends on the roster he’s given next year, and he might be forced to evolve if big changes are made.

Watching
Tatum shoot 10 threes a game, 50% of his shots, with a 58 TS%
Brown shoot 6 threes a games, 32% of his shots, with a 56 TS%
is becoming HARD to watch

[SparringPartner]

There’s not a lot of difference in this draft from 10-30. This draft will be a crap shoot to get role players let alone all stars.

I see people post this ever year before the draft and it ends up meaning what exactly.

Buzelis, Carrington, Ware, McCain, Knecht, Missi all separated themselves from the others last year, so that won’t happen in 2025? Or do you mean there’s no year1 all-stars 10-30 this year?

[celtxman]

I think the wisest move is signing KP to a cheaper extension next year

100%.

I'm a believer in KP.

Agreed. He’s so unique, and a game changer, but so inconsistent due to health. If KP signed for 3 years for $70M I’m all-in

I'm in the camp of KP signing an extension is a real consideration. But to do this, you have to really find out everything about this illness. You have to be virtually certain this is not a long-covid type situation that would always be there.
Ironically, the same reason I wouldn't give him away is the same reason I wouldn't extend him.....TODAY. Tomorrow, after the FIBA tournament, next year we will know more.
I've read that Tatum’s injury was not necessarily inevitable. I don't know if that is true or not, but work with me. KP never gets the illness - the Knicks have had no answers for KP (like many teams) the Celtics never drop those first two Knicks playoff games. Remember KP had 34 points less than a month earlier in a game NY desperately tried to win. Tatum in a different place and time doesn't get injured. Maybe you saw something different, but I saw a championship for the taking for a healthy team.
I'd rather keep KP for now. Bobby Marks says his value is low right now. Since the market is baking in his illness in trades, I'd rather see this through. At that point an extension may be a possibility, maybe lower than you suggest.

[SparringPartner]

With the East so wide open next season, a team like Atlanta should go all out on Jaylen Brown...

Or and hear me out…a team like the Celtics who won the title 12 months ago could roll with a guy like Jaylen until Tatum gets back and take advantage of a wide open Eastern Conference.

Other element here is say they got back to the finals and lose, well that’s right about when Jokic’s situation will be coming to a head.

So keep the C’s together next year, then go after Joker?

[JR Hawks]

The stagnant offense issue has always been a Tatum and Brown (and previously Smart) issue. They are iso players. They don't want to play fast and they don't care much about ball movement. We're past the point that is likely to change unless we bring in a hard ass coach. can the iso style win a championship against teams that are healthy? If not, it doesn't make much sense to keep both of these guys.

[SparringPartner]

I'd rather keep KP for now. Bobby Marks says his value is low right now. Since the market is baking in his illness in trades, I'd rather see this through. At that point an extension may be a possibility, maybe lower than you suggest.

I’m a sell high guy, so I can’t agree with you more. Not the right time to trade KP. Really like your point about FIBA. Let’s see where’s he’s at after that tournament, then make some decisions.

On losing to the NYK. I hate it because it’s an excuse. KP wasn’t available a lot last year in the playoffs. It’s a straw man argument to me. The C’s shouldn’t have gone down 0-2 to NYK no matter what. If it was the first time, then fine, no big deal. The real problem, to me, is that sort of outcome continues to happen. The common denominators are Brad, JT, JB. An unpopular take, but that’s how I see it.

[SparringPartner]

The stagnant offense issue has always been a Tatum and Brown (and previously Smart) issue. They are iso players. They don't want to play fast and they don't care much about ball movement. We're past the point that is likely to change unless we bring in a hard ass coach. can the iso style win a championship against teams that are healthy? If not, it doesn't make much sense to keep both of these guys.

I enjoyed watching IND during their playoff run. Was there iso, yes, but it was usually after lots of movement and passing. If the roster stays relatively the same, I would love Joe to go the IND way of things offensively.

To your point, this is a players league, Joe can only do so much.

Tatum #2 in ISO frequency % this year and #16 for PPP on those possessions

Brown #27 in ISO frequency % and #29 for PPP for those possessions

These stats strongly suggest we aren’t a good iso team!

[Celticlifer]

we were the favorites going into the playoffs folks. we were doing something right. We had a tired team with injuries and played two bad games. Our defensive rating did plummet without Porzingis, all the way from 3rd to 7th. I could see trading JB for Giannis, although the fit within our offense unless he plays center is poor. Trading for harper or some other package of untested youth 8 years younger than JT is a bad idea.

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[SparringPartner]

I expect Beal to be bought out.

They’ve already admitted failure with the Durant to HOU trade. Beal has negative a value as a player can have, maybe ever. All makes sense.

With that said, is PHX going to pay the full $110M? If I’m Beal, with a no-trade clause, $110M owed to me, I’m not taking a dime less. He’s turning 32 on 6/28, so I don’t see any future contacts making up a reduced buyout.

[djFan71]

I think DAL/ATL is the key to a keep KP / duck 2nd apron scenario. If you get Jrue either directly to DAL, or indirectly (LAC gets Jrue, DAL gets Powell), you can send Gafford and another player (Hardy to Marshall range) to ATL for free. Gafford pays for absorbing the other player if bad, or ATL sends out a 2nd if they're good.

If you try to keep KP and take back Klay in deals, you're $1Mish under the 2nd apron with 13 guys. If you get it so it's not Klay but any slightly cheaper guys (Eubanks/Brown in the LAC version), you're under with enough room to resign Kornet.

If you can't involve a team like ATL (or SAC or BKN) to eat significant salary in a Jrue deal, you're choosing between KP and ducking the 2nd apron.

[chrisab123]

I'm not convinced that Giannis is staying in Milwaukee. Except for him, most of the potential "big dominoes" are Celtics.

I have a feeling something very unexpected is going to happen. Watch Memphis and New Orleans.

Suggesting Ja & Zion moves?

I think one of the two get moved. Not sure to Boston but there’s always been the whispers about Zion and the need to get him out of New Orleans due to his love for the food there. Seriously

[GoCeltics123]

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Hmmmm I still think they can be a Jrue team so FVV would have to go I'd imagine