My first impression on prospects that would be available at #10 is that Egor Demim could be the BPA and he can have a really high ceiling.
An skilled 6'9 PG who has been 3 years in Real Madrid (B team) before going to BYU.
Watching his highlights I thought about Kukoc. Yeah...I am old lol.
Its going to be Jace Richardson
I think that Jase Richardson is a nice prospect. I like him, but it seems that his range will be more between 15-25 so we probably try to trade up from #29 to get him.
Something like #29, #52 and a future 2nd for #22 if he is available there (for example).
Calvin Klein wrote:Everybody taking advantage of the Suns. Durant, Beal, the Nets, Wizards, Utah, Portland, etc...all made Ishbia their bitch.
This is going to be a real problem moving forward, because now every team is going to know they can bend Ishbia over on all of these trades. Want to trade Beal? That'll cost you #10 and 2032 unprotected. Same for Green. Want to trade Book? Here's Wiggins and no picks.
Give me Danny Wolf. If he can be had in the mid-20's I would trade our 29 plus and asset to move up to 20. Maybe Grayson or Oneale would be enough for 10 spots depending on the salary coming back
That guys seems to have a very high bball IQ. He is a little slow and not sure about his defensive capability but he looks to me like a cross between Bird and Sabonis. He has a great toolset, a great motor and is not afraid of the big moments.
Calvin Klein wrote:Everybody taking advantage of the Suns. Durant, Beal, the Nets, Wizards, Utah, Portland, etc...all made Ishbia their bitch.
This is going to be a real problem moving forward, because now every team is going to know they can bend Ishbia over on all of these trades. Want to trade Beal? That'll cost you #10 and 2032 unprotected. Same for Green. Want to trade Book? Here's Wiggins and no picks.
I still have no clue what team will take on Beal just for a draft pick that contract is terrible and if some team is taking on that contract - what contract are they giving back I mean, Lillard works - because he is injured But why would the Bulls take on that for Vuc Carter and PWill
I can't even think of another team The Suns will have to waive him - which is stupid - because he isn't even an expiring at that point
I have no idea why the Suns "have to get rid of Bradley Beal" unless its purely Ishbia wanting to save like $100m per year in lux tax
SideSwipe wrote:Give me Danny Wolf. If he can be had in the mid-20's I would trade our 29 plus and asset to move up to 20. Maybe Grayson or Oneale would be enough for 10 spots depending on the salary coming back
That guys seems to have a very high bball IQ. He is a little slow and not sure about his defensive capability but he looks to me like a cross between Bird and Sabonis. He has a great toolset, a great motor and is not afraid of the big moments.
His handles for a 6'11 PF/C are ridiculous and I think that's a +skill for any big man in the league.
His range in the draft is really tough. The Ringer has him at #13. ESPN at #22.
It's not easy to peg Murray-Boyles' draft range, with most pointing to the Nos. 10-16 range, which includes some of the most analytics-influenced teams in the NBA, Atlanta, Oklahoma City and Memphis. NBA teams say Murray-Boyles rates historically well in their draft models, thanks to his strong passing, foul-drawing ability, 2-point shooting, defensive playmaking and youth, which will appeal to several teams in this range.
Murray-Boyles' toughness, unselfishness, defensive versatility and playmaking give him a high floor, even if his lack of size and perimeter shooting might make him a situational fit in certain lineup configurations.
On Sunday, the Suns agreed on a blockbuster trade, sending Kevin Durant to the Houston Rockets for Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, the No. 10 pick in this year's draft and five second-round picks, sources told ESPN on Sunday.
With the Suns desperately needing to upgrade their frontcourt -- especially after losing their starting power forward in Durant -- Murray-Boyles is likely someone the team will consider heavily if it keeps the pick, along with a more traditional big man such as Derik Queen
I don't get why they had to appease the snake if TOR offer was on the table. I don't wish him injury but will be rooting for him to fail with the Rockets the same way he did here.
I mean...these guys have done/said some wild stuff the last couple years so I wouldnt totally rule it out
Obviously it depends on the 1st. You might rather have 5 2nds than a really late 1st, I guess.
It just depends on what options are available to you. If you have plans that 5 2nds are more conducive for than a 1st, go for it I guess? Though thats probably giving these guys more credit for foresight than they deserve
My first impression on prospects that would be available at #10 is that Egor Demim could be the BPA and he can have a really high ceiling.
An skilled 6'9 PG who has been 3 years in Real Madrid (B team) before going to BYU.
Watching his highlights I thought about Kukoc. Yeah...I am old lol.
As much as I would like a C/PF at #10, if is Egor is there I think we just have to take him. If we do in fact move on from Brooks based on some reporting maybe Egor could be our point SF/PF. I would rather cash in on a trade for Green rather than Brooks if there is a team that really wants him. If we end up with an Egor and Book backcourt that could be very good.
There are a lot of balls up in the air after yesterday's trade. A whole more than we had prior to the trade. I like a lot of the players that will be available at #10. I just hope we keep the pick and do not trade it.
Whether you are happy or not about yesterday's trade appears to be the best option we had.
zimpy27 wrote: Maybe, you also pay $200+ tax if you do that over next 2 seasons. Team can avoid tax completely next 2 seasons with the stretch and waived.
Regardless, I think you can find a starting at C for MLE. Like BroLo or Capela.
In the meantime, that's what the point of trading KD and then using all of our picks to fill out roster spots (we'll have alot of roster spots to fill) is about, along with looking to trade Allen and O'neale and possibly Martin too for expirings and cost conttolled picks to drop below the 2nd apron!
The coming moves they'll seek to make this next week will seek to accomplish this. That way we can hopefully duck that 200 + tax and look to sign a center like you mentioned.
But overall, my guess is we'll target a trade back scenario with Brooklyn for Claxton (Sorry Tragic) because he's obviously legitimately elite defensively, can run the fast break in Otts' scheme, and is on a descending 25+ million salary contract.
And in doing that trade, then we can turn one pick into 3-4 that will help us to fill out the majority of our positional holes with cost controlled young athletic talent. This allows us to consolidate picks for future moves a bit too.
And helps to reduce our cap line and generate flexibility to use our MLE? ( likely on a point guard).
Martin, Micic, Richards can just be waived and I did that as part of my calculations.
Here is the long maths:
Beal (54) Booker (53) Green (33) Brooks (21) Dunn (3) Allen (17) O'Neale (10) Oso (2) #10, #29, #52, #59 (11)
That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m. That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line). So they would go over 2nd apron without a trade.
By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.
They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.
Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.
Yes moving Allen and O'Neale in to capspace is an alternative way that the Suns can drop out of the tax and reset the repeater. I just think Allen and O'Neale are good players, I like both more than Beal for the Suns.
I'm in agreement that finances could/should be a focus in the short term here.
The repeater taxes in this CBA are nutty. It is going to cause cost-cutting conversations for even the deepest of pockets in the league. At some point, its going to become an issue. Keeping that clock ticking during these "re-tooling" years where they'll be lucky to make the Play-In may look real dumb when they're desperate to cut costs in like 2028/2029 (optimistically) when they have a decent team, resulting in having to sacrifice a legitimate piece for savings at an inopportune time. Resetting the repeater clock now saves SO much in tax payments in a couple years its comical.
This is the one longer term avenue for stretching Beal that might make sense. Save the money now so you're not having to slash payroll on a winner later. It might all be moot since he'd have to take a sizable haircut in the buyout for it to be possible; I dunno that I would do it if I were Brad.
More practically, the lack of immediate savings in the KD deal (as currently constructed) makes me think that ducking ALL the way below the tax is not a huge priority (unless they feel they can convince Beal on the buyout I guess). It seems like they'll be happy just getting under the second apron, which they can do without crazy Beal shenanigans. Maybe they can stomach it for 2yrs and then be below whem Beal is off the books. Maybe Ishbia can afford to just keep paying (repeater) taxes and it wont come back to bite his pocket book later. Maybe he'd be right, but it certainly wouldnt be the first time he was overly optimistic about future conditions that dont seem too rosy.
Im not really arguing for it, just kinda adding on to say why it might be on the table
