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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#601 » by KingCat » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:43 pm

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KingCat wrote:We have back to back 20 win seasons, a core that can't stay healthy, and have G League players filling out the roster by January.

I do not care about roster fit at all.


then lets trade melo and actually rebuild around miller and #4.


Melo's value right now is likely very low and the branding damage trading him would do to this already tarnished franchise is probably not worth the price.

Also we still need to see how Miller recovers from that hand injury before making commitments to building around him.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#602 » by fatlever » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:48 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Plowright on Ace:
if it wasn't for some mindset/approach questions, he would comfortably be 3rd in this class based off the film.


His Coach Steve Pikiell has praised Bailey as a great kid, an energy giver, and a good teammate. Pikiell specifically mentioned Bailey's strong work ethic Pikiell has said that Bailey has a light the room up kind of personality.

Dylan Harper has also praised him as a player, teammate and friend

are these mindset/approach questions coming from Ace's actions or from pundits analysts and GMs who want him to fall in the draft?


- As I mentioned in a earlier post a few weeks ago, I take anything said by a former coach or player about a potential draft pick with a huge grain of salt. I've never heard a coach say anything but 100 percent glowing feedback about a former player heading into the draft. That's not to say he's not correct in this situation. I think most everyone has said ace has been a great teammate wherever he was.
- I think the people that have real concerns with ace are more so looking at his analytics rather than the actual noise surrounding his agent to be honest. I think there are some legitimate concerns with his incredibly low assist rate. wings With that low of assist rate, with some questionable handles that don't really get to the rim, that archetype doesn't typically end up as a #1 option type That you can run your offense through. So we're talking about a high shot diet wing that can put the ball in the basket. There is definitely a use for that type of player, but I think people that think he might develop into some type of Paul George Jason Tatum on ball focus of the offense are probably reaching a little bit.
- jmac Posted something a few days ago about the game where he scored 37 points on 10 dribbles. that was arguably his best game, But that's a game of someone who is making a living on putting the ball in the basket and not doing much else offensively. That's someone that you're not going to run your offense through. so, then you get into the wiggins, barnes, mpj, jabari player type. And that is a perfectly fine solid second or ideally third option on your team. And I think a lot of teams would welcome that type of player to be added to a core. But if his mentality is that he sees himself as that legit focal point of an offense but yet doesn't have the playmaking or ball handling to take on that role then that's going to probably lead to some pretty bad basketball for a while.

and even with those valid concerns mentioned he still grades out as a top six pick from any rational analyst.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#603 » by fatlever » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:51 pm

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KingCat wrote:We have back to back 20 win seasons, a core that can't stay healthy, and have G League players filling out the roster by January.

I do not care about roster fit at all.


then lets trade melo and actually rebuild around miller and #4.


Melo's value right now is likely very low and the branding damage trading him would do to this already tarnished franchise is probably not worth the price.

Also we still need to see how Miller recovers from that hand injury before making commitments to building around him.


Well my whole point with melo, I will keep repeating, is either we make a decision to put players around him to make him better and make the team better and you need to do that in the next 12 months. Put players around that complement him and Miller. Or you go ahead and you move melo now (or next season) and rebuild around other pieces, even if value is lower. why i see no possibly way hornets draft fears, for example, unless you move melo.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#604 » by Bassman » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:55 pm

ESPN now updating their mock and will continue to modify as they get info from within sources. Their skinny on Hornets:


Should Edgecombe (whom the Hornets are said to be high on) come off the board at No. 3, Charlotte will likely be choosing between trade-down scenarios or picking among Knueppel, Jeremiah Fears, Bailey and Tre Johnson. The fact that Fears and Bailey have not worked out for the Hornets doesn't appear to be a significant hindrance in their decision-making process.

Rival teams believe the Hornets will ultimately prioritize Knueppel's strong perimeter shooting, playmaking and leadership skills, as well as his strong fit with the likes of LaMelo Ball and Brandon Miller. The Hornets would be going for a safer option in Knueppel after swinging for the fences with Tidjane Salaun in last year's draft at No. 6.

Knueppel rates well in analytics-based draft models, but the Hornets might ponder whether they could still add him if they elect to move down a few slots and acquire additional assets in the process. -- Givony
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#605 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:58 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:But I also feel the Nets will trade up to 3 for Bailey.

Leaving Charlotte to field offers for 4 from 5, 6, 7.

Jazz have Collins & Lauri.

Wizards have no interesting available players.

Pelicans have Murphy III and Herb Jones.


I could be way off here but I think if Ace goes 3rd via some type of trade up situation that the Hornets run to the podium to draft VJ


I have Jaku vs. VJ close enough that I'd rather trade down for an added player. VJ looks like a 3rd scoring option at best. You can get players like Nembhard pick 31. Offense is the top prize in high lottery unless we are talking bigs with elite potential on defense. Can't draft defense from a guard/wing position. Those are high priority scoring positions.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#606 » by fatlever » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:13 pm

MasterIchiro wrote: Can't draft defense from a guard/wing position. Those are high priority scoring positions.



I agree in the sense that teams have learned from the mkg, okoro, dunn type picks... If the Hornets only view vj as a defender, Then certainly you take someone else here and fill that role in the second round. You take vj at 4 if you believe in his upside as a 3rd option level... 15-18 ppg, 35% from 3, some secondary ball handling duties, type upside.

i disagree with the notion that anyone we pick at 4 should be viewed through the lens as a potential superstar in the making, tho.
We just need good quality basketball players and it's going to take multiple drafts and trades and free agency cycles to get there.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#607 » by fatlever » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:27 pm

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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#608 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:45 pm

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Now we know why everyone is mocking Kon to Charlotte, his agent is only one letting him workout haha
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#609 » by fatlever » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:50 pm

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Now we know why everyone is mocking Kon to Charlotte, his agent is only one letting him workout haha


good lord, thats bad. seriously, wtf? tre and vj wont come in for a workout? why? that blows my mind. maybe vj feels he's a lock for sixers, but tre? really?
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#610 » by Braggins » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:50 pm

I don't remember the exact details but Im pretty sure I remember that Peterson and maybe others in the front office all worked for Atlanta doing draft related stuff during a stretch where they were awful at drafting, so it really won't be surprising if this new group turns out to be complete duds here.

The Hornets job is mostly about needing to be good at drafting and so far theyve given us Salaun. Id say its a bad sign if they are locked in on Kon and can't even get workouts with anyone else...
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#611 » by fatlever » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:53 pm

Braggins wrote:I don't remember the exact details but Im pretty sure I remember that Peterson and maybe others in the front office all worked for Atlanta doing draft related stuff during a stretch where they were awful at drafting, so it really won't be surprising if this new group turns out to be complete duds here.

The Hornets job is mostly about needing to be good at drafting and so far theyve given us Salaun. Id say its a bad sign if they are locked in on Kon and can't even get workouts with anyone else...


Peterson's draft record with both the Hawks and the Nets is pretty bad. I know he wasn't the final decision maker in those situations but he was on those staffs at whiffed on a lot of first round picks.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#612 » by KingCat » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:18 pm

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Now we know why everyone is mocking Kon to Charlotte, his agent is only one letting him workout haha


"With the 4th pick the charlotte hornets select Kon Knupple by default of being the ugliest girl at the dance"
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#613 » by fatlever » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:21 pm

maybe tre has a promise to utah or wiz Where he feels he has a better chance of being a number one option? i dunno.
Some of this would make a lot more sense to me if the three teams drafting behind the Hornets were the Lakers Spurs and heat for example.
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Post#614 » by KembaWalker » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:26 pm

fatlever wrote:maybe tre has a promise to utah or wiz Where he feels he has a better chance of being a number one option? i dunno.
Some of this would make a lot more sense to me if the three teams drafting behind the Hornets were the Lakers Spurs and heat for example.


theyre probably all spending their time wooing more appealing trade up potential teams
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#615 » by Goodecharlotte » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:50 pm

Do we actually know who's been in for work outs?
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#616 » by driveandkick » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:06 pm

Any player refusing to work out here should immediately be off our board. This roster is already full of primadonnas who hardly act like this matters to them. To be honest I can see why these guys would not want to come here, I’m not even saying I blame them. But we should not be drafting anyone who doesn’t want to be here considering the current state of our team.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#617 » by SWedd523 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:10 pm

Goodecharlotte wrote:Do we actually know who's been in for work outs?

Kon has

he's so dreamy
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#618 » by KembaWalker » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:14 pm

driveandkick wrote:Any player refusing to work out here should immediately be off our board. This roster is already full of primadonnas who hardly act like this matters to them. To be honest I can see why these guys would not want to come here, I’m not even saying I blame them. But we should not be drafting anyone who doesn’t want to be here considering the current state of our team.


i disagree, we shouldnt settle for less talented prospects. if we send the message to agents/prospects that they wont get drafted here if they dont workout here we might never get a workout again. if these guys want to throw their careers away because they get drafted here thats just a risk we have to take. kneecapping ourselves over some stupid predraft agent games is crazy
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#619 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:20 pm

Again, Miles didnt work out here and we still picked him. We go through this **** every lottery.
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Re: 2025 General Draft Discussion 2 

Post#620 » by KingCat » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:20 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
Goodecharlotte wrote:Do we actually know who's been in for work outs?

Kon has

he's so dreamy


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