The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[thamadkant]

Beal + 10 for Ayton, & Deni Avdija

Lets gooooooo lol

Run


Booker
Green
Deni Avdija / Brooks
Dunn
Ayton

Jerami Grant might be a possiblity since he is signed through 2028

Grant and Timelord

Seen enough Blazer games to say Timelord is done. He cannot stay healthy, when he does play hard he tends to sit out next game because of soreness or some reason. Unfortunately he just plays too hard for his body to handle.

[BobbieL]

Spoiler:

In the meantime, that's what the point of trading KD and then using all of our picks to fill out roster spots (we'll have alot of roster spots to fill) is about, along with looking to trade Allen and O'neale and possibly Martin too for expirings and cost conttolled picks to drop below the 2nd apron!

The coming moves they'll seek to make this next week will seek to accomplish this. That way we can hopefully duck that 200 + tax and look to sign a center like you mentioned.

But overall, my guess is we'll target a trade back scenario with Brooklyn for Claxton (Sorry Tragic) because he's obviously legitimately elite defensively, can run the fast break in Otts' scheme, and is on a descending 25+ million salary contract.

And in doing that trade, then we can turn one pick into 3-4 that will help us to fill out the majority of our positional holes with cost controlled young athletic talent. This allows us to consolidate picks for future moves a bit too.

And helps to reduce our cap line and generate flexibility to use our MLE? ( likely on a point guard).

Martin, Micic, Richards can just be waived and I did that as part of my calculations.

Here is the long maths:



Beal (54)
Booker (53)
Green (33)
Brooks (21)
Dunn (3)
Allen (17)
O'Neale (10)
Oso (2)
#10, #29, #52, #59 (11)

That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m.
That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line). So they would go over 2nd apron without a trade.

By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.

They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.

Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.

Yes moving Allen and O'Neale in to capspace is an alternative way that the Suns can drop out of the tax and reset the repeater. I just think Allen and O'Neale are good players, I like both more than Beal for the Suns.

I'm in agreement that finances could/should be a focus in the short term here.

The repeater taxes in this CBA are nutty. It is going to cause cost-cutting conversations for even the deepest of pockets in the league. At some point, its going to become an issue. Keeping that clock ticking during these "re-tooling" years where they'll be lucky to make the Play-In may look real dumb when they're desperate to cut costs in like 2028/2029 (optimistically) when they have a decent team, resulting in having to sacrifice a legitimate piece for savings at an inopportune time. Resetting the repeater clock now saves SO much in tax payments in a couple years its comical.

This is the one longer term avenue for stretching Beal that might make sense. Save the money now so you're not having to slash payroll on a winner later. It might all be moot since he'd have to take a sizable haircut in the buyout for it to be possible; I dunno that I would do it if I were Brad.

More practically, the lack of immediate savings in the KD deal (as currently constructed) makes me think that ducking ALL the way below the tax is not a huge priority (unless they feel they can convince Beal on the buyout I guess). It seems like they'll be happy just getting under the second apron, which they can do without crazy Beal shenanigans. Maybe they can stomach it for 2yrs and then be below whem Beal is off the books. Maybe Ishbia can afford to just keep paying (repeater) taxes and it wont come back to bite his pocket book later. Maybe he'd be right, but it certainly wouldnt be the first time he was overly optimistic about future conditions that dont seem too rosy.

O'Neale and Allen cost $27

See if you can trade both and take back $20m

Ride Beal out - short term pain, long term gain

With respect to Beal -- I don't see reducing his salary to 19m to take on 14m - -so thats $33m -- that is only a net $20m.

[BobbieL]

Beal + 10 for Ayton, & Deni Avdija

Lets gooooooo lol

Run


Booker
Green
Deni Avdija / Brooks
Dunn
Ayton

Jerami Grant might be a possiblity since he is signed through 2028

Grant and Timelord

Seen enough Blazer games to say Timelord is done. He cannot stay healthy, when he does play hard he tends to sit out next game because of soreness or some reason. Unfortunately he just plays too hard for his body to handle.

I doubt the Blazers do it anyway -- and Beal would have to agree with Timelord is only signed for one more year at 11,

Basically - would you rather pay Jerami Grant an extra year to move on from Beal
There is small cap savings Beal for Grant/Timelord but longer cash

It all goes back to the same answer -- don't do a damn thing with Beal - suck it up!

[dremill24]

Spoiler:

Martin, Micic, Richards can just be waived and I did that as part of my calculations.

Here is the long maths:



Beal (54)
Booker (53)
Green (33)
Brooks (21)
Dunn (3)
Allen (17)
O'Neale (10)
Oso (2)
#10, #29, #52, #59 (11)

That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m.
That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line). So they would go over 2nd apron without a trade.

By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.

They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.

Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.

Yes moving Allen and O'Neale in to capspace is an alternative way that the Suns can drop out of the tax and reset the repeater. I just think Allen and O'Neale are good players, I like both more than Beal for the Suns.

I'm in agreement that finances could/should be a focus in the short term here.

The repeater taxes in this CBA are nutty. It is going to cause cost-cutting conversations for even the deepest of pockets in the league. At some point, its going to become an issue. Keeping that clock ticking during these "re-tooling" years where they'll be lucky to make the Play-In may look real dumb when they're desperate to cut costs in like 2028/2029 (optimistically) when they have a decent team, resulting in having to sacrifice a legitimate piece for savings at an inopportune time. Resetting the repeater clock now saves SO much in tax payments in a couple years its comical.

This is the one longer term avenue for stretching Beal that might make sense. Save the money now so you're not having to slash payroll on a winner later. It might all be moot since he'd have to take a sizable haircut in the buyout for it to be possible; I dunno that I would do it if I were Brad.

More practically, the lack of immediate savings in the KD deal (as currently constructed) makes me think that ducking ALL the way below the tax is not a huge priority (unless they feel they can convince Beal on the buyout I guess). It seems like they'll be happy just getting under the second apron, which they can do without crazy Beal shenanigans. Maybe they can stomach it for 2yrs and then be below whem Beal is off the books. Maybe Ishbia can afford to just keep paying (repeater) taxes and it wont come back to bite his pocket book later. Maybe he'd be right, but it certainly wouldnt be the first time he was overly optimistic about future conditions that dont seem too rosy.

O'Neale and Allen cost $27

See if you can trade both and take back $20m

Ride Beal out - short term pain, long term gain

With respect to Beal -- I don't see reducing his salary to 19m to take on 14m - -so thats $33m -- that is only a net $20m.

Im not really arguing for it, just kinda adding on to say why it might be on the table.

[SideSwipe]

Give me Danny Wolf. If he can be had in the mid-20's I would trade our 29 plus and asset to move up to 20. Maybe Grayson or Oneale would be enough for 10 spots depending on the salary coming back

That guys seems to have a very high bball IQ. He is a little slow and not sure about his defensive capability but he looks to me like a cross between Bird and Sabonis. He has a great toolset, a great motor and is not afraid of the big moments.

His handles for a 6'11 PF/C are ridiculous and I think that's a +skill for any big man in the league.

His range in the draft is really tough. The Ringer has him at #13. ESPN at #22.

Yeah, I feel like our #10 might be too high, but I'd like really look at moving our 29 up to get him. I don't think Grayson gets us 16 spots though unless its bad negative salary coming back, so it may need to be a combination. Maybe Atlanta gets us to #22 with a Grayson/Mann swap

[BobbieL]

Spoiler:

Martin, Micic, Richards can just be waived and I did that as part of my calculations.

Here is the long maths:



Beal (54)
Booker (53)
Green (33)
Brooks (21)
Dunn (3)
Allen (17)
O'Neale (10)
Oso (2)
#10, #29, #52, #59 (11)

That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m.
That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line). So they would go over 2nd apron without a trade.

By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.

They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.

Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.

Yes moving Allen and O'Neale in to capspace is an alternative way that the Suns can drop out of the tax and reset the repeater. I just think Allen and O'Neale are good players, I like both more than Beal for the Suns.

I'm in agreement that finances could/should be a focus in the short term here.

The repeater taxes in this CBA are nutty. It is going to cause cost-cutting conversations for even the deepest of pockets in the league. At some point, its going to become an issue. Keeping that clock ticking during these "re-tooling" years where they'll be lucky to make the Play-In may look real dumb when they're desperate to cut costs in like 2028/2029 (optimistically) when they have a decent team, resulting in having to sacrifice a legitimate piece for savings at an inopportune time. Resetting the repeater clock now saves SO much in tax payments in a couple years its comical.

This is the one longer term avenue for stretching Beal that might make sense. Save the money now so you're not having to slash payroll on a winner later. It might all be moot since he'd have to take a sizable haircut in the buyout for it to be possible; I dunno that I would do it if I were Brad.

More practically, the lack of immediate savings in the KD deal (as currently constructed) makes me think that ducking ALL the way below the tax is not a huge priority (unless they feel they can convince Beal on the buyout I guess). It seems like they'll be happy just getting under the second apron, which they can do without crazy Beal shenanigans. Maybe they can stomach it for 2yrs and then be below whem Beal is off the books. Maybe Ishbia can afford to just keep paying (repeater) taxes and it wont come back to bite his pocket book later. Maybe he'd be right, but it certainly wouldnt be the first time he was overly optimistic about future conditions that dont seem too rosy.

O'Neale and Allen cost $27

See if you can trade both and take back $20m

Ride Beal out - short term pain, long term gain

With respect to Beal -- I don't see reducing his salary to 19m to take on 14m - -so thats $33m -- that is only a net $20m.

Suns are keeping Richards

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[bwgood77]

Give me Danny Wolf. If he can be had in the mid-20's I would trade our 29 plus and asset to move up to 20. Maybe Grayson or Oneale would be enough for 10 spots depending on the salary coming back

That guys seems to have a very high bball IQ. He is a little slow and not sure about his defensive capability but he looks to me like a cross between Bird and Sabonis. He has a great toolset, a great motor and is not afraid of the big moments.

His handles for a 6'11 PF/C are ridiculous and I think that's a +skill for any big man in the league.

His range in the draft is really tough. The Ringer has him at #13. ESPN at #22.

GoK must like him. I see his comp is Mike Muscala.

[bwgood77]

Looking at the Ringer Draft Guide, this draft is far from exciting. Just reading the breakdowns and looking at comps, I'd be happy with Carter Bryant just because I have watched him and I can see he wiil likely be a talent. Though it's probably unlikely we will go BPA since Ish feels we will be really good and will take a positional need.

[Sunsdeuce]

Spoiler:

Martin, Micic, Richards can just be waived and I did that as part of my calculations.

Here is the long maths:



Beal (54)
Booker (53)
Green (33)
Brooks (21)
Dunn (3)
Allen (17)
O'Neale (10)
Oso (2)
#10, #29, #52, #59 (11)

That's all the guaranteed deals at $204m.
That's 12 players and $3m under 2nd apron (or $16m over tax line). So they would go over 2nd apron without a trade.

By waive and stretch Beal at $97m the Suns save $34.5m this season. So it drops them like $18.5 under tax line.

They could use $14m MLE and add 2 vet mins players (14 players) while just being under the Tax.

Resetting their repeater this season means they can be aggressive next season.

Yes moving Allen and O'Neale in to capspace is an alternative way that the Suns can drop out of the tax and reset the repeater. I just think Allen and O'Neale are good players, I like both more than Beal for the Suns.

I'm in agreement that finances could/should be a focus in the short term here.

The repeater taxes in this CBA are nutty. It is going to cause cost-cutting conversations for even the deepest of pockets in the league. At some point, its going to become an issue. Keeping that clock ticking during these "re-tooling" years where they'll be lucky to make the Play-In may look real dumb when they're desperate to cut costs in like 2028/2029 (optimistically) when they have a decent team, resulting in having to sacrifice a legitimate piece for savings at an inopportune time. Resetting the repeater clock now saves SO much in tax payments in a couple years its comical.

This is the one longer term avenue for stretching Beal that might make sense. Save the money now so you're not having to slash payroll on a winner later. It might all be moot since he'd have to take a sizable haircut in the buyout for it to be possible; I dunno that I would do it if I were Brad.

More practically, the lack of immediate savings in the KD deal (as currently constructed) makes me think that ducking ALL the way below the tax is not a huge priority (unless they feel they can convince Beal on the buyout I guess). It seems like they'll be happy just getting under the second apron, which they can do without crazy Beal shenanigans. Maybe they can stomach it for 2yrs and then be below whem Beal is off the books. Maybe Ishbia can afford to just keep paying (repeater) taxes and it wont come back to bite his pocket book later. Maybe he'd be right, but it certainly wouldnt be the first time he was overly optimistic about future conditions that dont seem too rosy.

O'Neale and Allen cost $27

See if you can trade both and take back $20m

Ride Beal out - short term pain, long term gain

With respect to Beal -- I don't see reducing his salary to 19m to take on 14m - -so thats $33m -- that is only a net $20m.

Yup. Beal has to agree to a buyout. No way he agrees to a buy out. So take buy out off the table. And to “dump” Beal (who is still a very good player who can help win games) it would cost the suns draft picks plus he has to approve of the deal. Also Stretch and Waive is off the table due to his salary cap number and the CBA.

The only possibility left is finding a team that wants him and he wants them. The probability of that is around 5% chance. Gambo needs to study up on the CBA when he talks out of his ass.

Is there a chance he gets traded? Sure. Likely, no. The dominos would need to fall into place perfectly for him to get traded. Beal controls his destiny, not the Suns at this point.

[Sunsdeuce]

This is my dream scenario.

10) Derik Queen. (I love NBA ready players and he’s ready to play on day one and he has Zach Randolph vibes)
29) Maxime Raynaud

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6434991/2025/06/23/nba-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-ace-bailey-dylan-harper/

[bullsaficianado]

No more trading draft picks. We are lucky if we win 40 games next season.

[bwgood77]

This is my dream scenario.

10) Derik Queen. (I love NBA ready players and he’s ready to play on day one and he has Zach Randolph vibes)
29) Maxime Raynaud

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6434991/2025/06/23/nba-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-ace-bailey-dylan-harper/

Yeah, I liked the idea of Queen at first when I saw him mocked to us on tankathon and saw his #s...solid for a freshman..like 16/9/2/1/1, but then his write up on The Ringer left me a little less excited, because it sounded like he was really weak defensively. But now looking back, I see his main comp there is Sabonis, and most of their comps are not impressive players, and he's mocked 6th there, so yeah, if we can get him at 10, it may make sense. If he can score and pass...and it looks like he did get steals and blocks as a freshmen, so at least he seems active defensively in some respect, even if he still has growth to do.

[Sunsdeuce]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-kevin-durant-trade-rockets-suns-heat-timberwolves-raptors-thunder-pacers-kings/

“The Phoenix Suns pushed to get a Kevin Durant trade done before the NBA Draft and got the highest draft pick they could at No. 10 overall as part of the deal, along with former No. 2 overall pick Jalen Green, defensive stopper Dillon Brooks, and five second-round picks.

When Green originally signed his three-year, $105.33 million contract with Houston, rival NBA executives pegged it as a candidate to be moved. Green is owed $69.33 million guaranteed through the 2026-27 season and has a $36 million player option for the 2027-28 season.

While Green has shown the ability to be a consistent 20-point per game scorer through his first four seasons, there’s still upside for more development for the 23-year-old guard.

As previously reported on HoopsHype, Phoenix did background on Green before acquiring him to gauge his value around the league in case it would be worthwhile for the Suns to flip him again via trade.

On Sunday, John Gambadoro – who’s been thoroughly on top of Suns news – reported Phoenix intends to keep Green.

Brooks, who’s considered a culture builder and a 3-and-D swingman, is owed $43.12 million combined through the 2026-27 season. His toughness and defensive intangibles were characteristics sought by new general manager Brian Gregory.

The Suns aggressively targeted starting center upgrades during Durant talks, including trying to pry Rudy Gobert, Jakob Poeltl, and Kel’el Ware and could continue to look to upgrade at the position.

Suns center Nick Richards, who has a $5 million non-guaranteed salary for the 2025-26 season, is expected to have his salary guaranteed by the Suns, league sources told HoopsHype. Richards started 34 of 36 games for Phoenix last season and averaged 9.5 points on 60.5 percent shooting from the field with 8.6 rebounds in 22.7 minutes per game.

Keep an eye on the Suns moving on from Vasilije Micic and Cody Martin to get below the second apron.

Phoenix is expected to decline the $8.11 million team option on Micic, barring a trade that would necessitate his salary being included, league sources told HoopsHype. The two-time EuroLeague champion and former EuroLeague MVP is expected to command significantly lucrative offers overseas.

Martin, whose $8.68 million salary for the 2025-26 season is non-guaranteed, is in a similar boat as Micic. Martin is a candidate to be waived unless his salary is included in a trade.

Phoenix has also gauged the trade market on swingmen Royce O’Neale and Grayson Allen, league sources told HoopsHype.”

Keeping Green is Not a forgone conclusion is you are calling around to see the interest other teams may have.

[BobbieL]

Spoiler:

I'm in agreement that finances could/should be a focus in the short term here.

The repeater taxes in this CBA are nutty. It is going to cause cost-cutting conversations for even the deepest of pockets in the league. At some point, its going to become an issue. Keeping that clock ticking during these "re-tooling" years where they'll be lucky to make the Play-In may look real dumb when they're desperate to cut costs in like 2028/2029 (optimistically) when they have a decent team, resulting in having to sacrifice a legitimate piece for savings at an inopportune time. Resetting the repeater clock now saves SO much in tax payments in a couple years its comical.

This is the one longer term avenue for stretching Beal that might make sense. Save the money now so you're not having to slash payroll on a winner later. It might all be moot since he'd have to take a sizable haircut in the buyout for it to be possible; I dunno that I would do it if I were Brad.

More practically, the lack of immediate savings in the KD deal (as currently constructed) makes me think that ducking ALL the way below the tax is not a huge priority (unless they feel they can convince Beal on the buyout I guess). It seems like they'll be happy just getting under the second apron, which they can do without crazy Beal shenanigans. Maybe they can stomach it for 2yrs and then be below whem Beal is off the books. Maybe Ishbia can afford to just keep paying (repeater) taxes and it wont come back to bite his pocket book later. Maybe he'd be right, but it certainly wouldnt be the first time he was overly optimistic about future conditions that dont seem too rosy.

O'Neale and Allen cost $27

See if you can trade both and take back $20m

Ride Beal out - short term pain, long term gain

With respect to Beal -- I don't see reducing his salary to 19m to take on 14m - -so thats $33m -- that is only a net $20m.

Yup. Beal has to agree to a buyout. No way he agrees to a buy out. So take buy out off the table. And to “dump” Beal (who is still a very good player who can help win games) it would cost the suns draft picks plus he has to approve of the deal. Also Stretch and Waive is off the table due to his salary cap number and the CBA.

The only possibility left is finding a team that wants him and he wants them. The probability of that is around 5% chance. Gambo needs to study up on the CBA when he talks out of his ass.

Is there a chance he gets traded? Sure. Likely, no. The dominos would need to fall into place perfectly for him to get traded. Beal controls his destiny, not the Suns at this point.

Agree. If you are going to be an insider in the NBA and NFL, you need to learn the Salary cap.

I don't think the Suns can even offer a buyout of $95m spread over two years because that would eclipse the % threshhold. Granted, not sure that waiving isn't the same thing. Dead money is dead money

Hence, the only deal that really makes sense for the Suns is if the Bucks want him for Dame to not waste a year of Giannis.. But again, beal has to agree to it

[Qwigglez]

Flex said there were a couple of teams that were interested in Beal, and I would think with his contract expiring after the 2026-27 season, it isn't nearly as bad as it was last season. I could see a bottom tier team looking to move players that have longer contracts trade for Beal, get a draft pick in the meantime, and then do a buy-out if Beal already has interested teams talking to his agents. On the other hand, I could see Beal being incentivized to find another team where he won't be the 6th man, so he could possibly regain some value in order to obtain another contract higher than an MLE.

All in all, the Suns are clearly not done retooling, and I think this time next week we get a better idea of what the team will look like.

[Sunsdeuce]

Flex said there were a couple of teams that were interested in Beal, and I would think with his contract expiring after the 2026-27 season, it isn't nearly as bad as it was last season. I could see a bottom tier team looking to move players that have longer contracts trade for Beal, get a draft pick in the meantime, and then do a buy-out if Beal already has interested teams talking to his agents. On the other hand, I could see Beal being incentivized to find another team where he won't be the 6th man, so he could possibly regain some value in order to obtain another contract higher than an MLE.

All in all, the Suns are clearly not done retooling, and I think this time next week we get a better idea of what the team will look like.

Bottom line is Beal controls his destiny, not the Suns.

[Qwigglez]

Give me Danny Wolf. If he can be had in the mid-20's I would trade our 29 plus and asset to move up to 20. Maybe Grayson or Oneale would be enough for 10 spots depending on the salary coming back

That guys seems to have a very high bball IQ. He is a little slow and not sure about his defensive capability but he looks to me like a cross between Bird and Sabonis. He has a great toolset, a great motor and is not afraid of the big moments.

His handles for a 6'11 PF/C are ridiculous and I think that's a +skill for any big man in the league.

His range in the draft is really tough. The Ringer has him at #13. ESPN at #22.

Yeah, I feel like our #10 might be too high, but I'd like really look at moving our 29 up to get him. I don't think Grayson gets us 16 spots though unless its bad negative salary coming back, so it may need to be a combination. Maybe Atlanta gets us to #22 with a Grayson/Mann swap

Wolf looks solid.
I wonder if we could trade Beal and No 10 for Claxton, Cam Johnson, and No 26, and then perhaps move 26 and 29 to the Heat for 20 to get Wolf.

Booker
Green
Brooks
Cam Jo
Claxton

Gillespie / Grayson / Dunn / Wolf / Oso / Richards (I think Royce O'Neal will be moved).

[Sunsdeuce]

His handles for a 6'11 PF/C are ridiculous and I think that's a +skill for any big man in the league.

His range in the draft is really tough. The Ringer has him at #13. ESPN at #22.

Yeah, I feel like our #10 might be too high, but I'd like really look at moving our 29 up to get him. I don't think Grayson gets us 16 spots though unless its bad negative salary coming back, so it may need to be a combination. Maybe Atlanta gets us to #22 with a Grayson/Mann swap

Wolf looks solid.
I wonder if we could trade Beal and No 10 for Claxton, Cam Johnson, and No 26, and then perhaps move 26 and 29 to the Heat for 20 to get Wolf.

Booker
Green
Brooks
Cam Jo
Claxton

Gillespie / Grayson / Dunn / Wolf / Oso / Richards (I think Royce O'Neal will be moved).

Definitely NOT on board with that idea at all. Not even in the slightest. I’m sorry. But not just no, but hell no to that idea.

[Qwigglez]

Flex said there were a couple of teams that were interested in Beal, and I would think with his contract expiring after the 2026-27 season, it isn't nearly as bad as it was last season. I could see a bottom tier team looking to move players that have longer contracts trade for Beal, get a draft pick in the meantime, and then do a buy-out if Beal already has interested teams talking to his agents. On the other hand, I could see Beal being incentivized to find another team where he won't be the 6th man, so he could possibly regain some value in order to obtain another contract higher than an MLE.

All in all, the Suns are clearly not done retooling, and I think this time next week we get a better idea of what the team will look like.

Bottom line is Beal controls his destiny, not the Suns.

Well yeah... that is kind of what I was saying. Beal waives his no trade clause because the team that takes him, buys him out, Beal takes MLE money from a competitive team. Or Beal goes to a team where he will start, the incentive is he builds up his value again over the next two seasons so he can get one more contract.

I do not see Beal wanting to stay with the Suns after Suns just traded for Jalen Green and have plans on keeping him. It's the summer, so it's a lot easier for Beal to accept a trade and move his family.

[schnakenpopanz]

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I hate him even more
where was your mind you *** when you advised the suns to trade for beal