2024-25 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3901 » by Peregrine01 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:55 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
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Less money for everyone involved, so they'll never do it.


Hardly anyone even pays attention to the regular season save for a few marquee games. With load management and the frequency of injuries, the vast majority of stars are only playing three-quarters of the season tops anyway. Why not just cut out a third of the games, make the regular season more meaningful, have higher participation from stars during the regular season and preserve healthier players for the playoffs? The NBA should take some notes form the NFL: less is more.


That sounds great until you try the 60 game season and it turns out thst people dont gain more interest because a long season went to still be a lonh season and suddendly you lose 25% of your reg season stadium/local revenues

It would be a leap of faith for the league to absorb the losses and think it will grow the league long term


The biggest complaints about the NBA regular season from what I've seen are:
1) Load management - stars sitting out games in the regular season
2) Lack of intensity and competitiveness

These two things are directly because of the 82-game season. Less games doesn't automatically mean less revenue. If fans know that stars are gonna suit up and that the games are gonna played with intensity, viewership and ticket prices tend to rise.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3902 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:00 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Only players with 2 rings in the 2020s:

KCP - Jrue - Caruso

All three on multiple teams - sign of the times
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3903 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:41 pm

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Peregrine01 wrote:They should shorten the season imo.


Less money for everyone involved, so they'll never do it.


Hardly anyone even pays attention to the regular season save for a few marquee games. With load management and the frequency of injuries, the vast majority of stars are only playing three-quarters of the season tops anyway. Why not just cut out a third of the games, make the regular season more meaningful, have higher participation from stars during the regular season and preserve healthier players for the playoffs? The NBA should take some notes form the NFL: less is more.


I think this is the thing that the NBA and their partners really need to get through their heads:

A shorter season means more significant games, which means better player, and better viewership per-game at a time when low significance games should be expected to lose even more of their ratings due to the nature of the 21st century audience.

Will chopping the season by X% more than pay for itself immediately? No, it will cost money in the short term.

But:

Does the NBA have a problem now that's getting worse every year? Yes.

Will it get any easier to fix the problem in the future? Not necessarily.

So there may be no time like the present to tear the band-aid off and if they just can't make themselves do it under this Commish, well, let's hope the next one is more bold.

Tangent, were I the czar of NBA basketball, my plan would be something like this:

1. Expand the "NBA" to 32 North American teams and never expand again.

2. Further expansion will involve other leagues both domestically and overseas which might culminate in something like a Club World Cup.

3. The NBA is re-organized to have 2 conferences that each of 2 divisions of 8.

4. Teams play division rivals 4 times, conference rivals 2 times, and teams form the other conference just once, for a 60 game season.

5. Kill the all-star game, and shift the NBA Cup so it's Final is roughly when the all-star weekend was. You can even keep calling it the All-Star Weekend if you want, and announce the official All-Stars as is traditionally done.

6. Back load the schedule to have most in-division games toward the end of the season (after the Cup & trade deadline), and have division winners determined only by in-division games. Each division winner would earn a Top 2 seed in the playoffs.

7. Cup qualification games should either be separate from the 60, or should be inter-division.

8. No radical changes to the playoffs, but chop the first two rounds of the playoff Best-of-5.

Reasoning:

1. 32 is just the right number to stop at because it's a power of 2 which gives a lot of logistical options that will work - so if we tried my 4 divisions of 8 approach and didn't like it, we'd have plenty of other balanced options.

A mock-up of that assuming that Seattle & Las Vegas are the two new franchises with Minnesota moving to the East.

Western Conference
Pacific Division

Golden State
LA Clippers
LA Lakers
Las Vegas
Phoenix
Portland
Sacramento
Seattle

Frontier Division
Dallas
Denver
Houston
Memphis
New Orleans
Oklahoma City
San Antonio
Utah

Eastern Confrence
Central Division

Atlanta
Chicago
Cleveland
Detroit
Indiana
Milwaukee
Minnesota
Toronto

Atlantic Division
Boston
Brooklyn
Miami
Milwaukee
Orlando
New York
Philadelphia
Washington

Notes:
- Memphis might end up as the team that goes East in stead. I believe the Grizz have actually pushed for this in the past in the wake of their move from Vancouver.

- I'm sure New Orleans would love to go to the East as well, but frankly my expectation is that eventually that franchise will leave the Big Easy unfortunately. I love me some Nawlins, but it's not the market it used to be, and meanwhile, eventually I expect Mexico City to get a team unless the NBA works out some other LANBA (Latin America NBA) way to bring that mega-city into the fold.

- More information that I'm sure anyone cared for, but Atlanta not being in the Atlantic Division certainly seems wrong, and it does say something about how many teams are East of the Mississippi, but Atlanta was named after Atlantic Railroad not the Atlantic Ocean, and is actually further west than traditional Midwest cities like Cleveland and Detroit because ideal railroad hub placement isn't the same as ideal sea port placement.

2. While having small Divisions isn't necessarily something that achieves anything with fan interest, I do believe that it makes sense to keep trying. The reality is that if only the chip matters, most team fans are going to disengage from the season even if their team makes the playoffs. How big should a division be? It's a great question, but I would say that the 4 than the NFL uses only makes sense to me for a bloodsport where it's so hard to play many teams both home & away in the same year. 16 on the other hand is, well, too many for us to count with the fingers on our hands. 8's the power of 2 that I think gives us the closest to a Godilocks number of a divisional rivals.

3. Having a late RS in-division season to end the year, with the results of those games possibly allowing a team that started the year slowly to be able to fight to be a Champion (and get a Top 2 seed), gives the late season a reason to be anything but "silly". And it can specifically be used to build-up rivalries again.

4. I'm not dead set on the numbers I gave for shortening the season, but I'll say that there are costs to chopping it further I don't like. There's a cost to not playing a team in a given year, another cost for not playing that team at home, and another cost for not having any rivals that you you don't at least play at home twice. If I were going to chop further from the 60, I'd chop the conference from 2 games to 1 game first (so 52 games instead of 60), and then I'd chop division games from 4 games to 2 (so 38 games instead of 52). Any further chopping would require a total re-think of structure as you'd simply have to accept that you don't play every team every year, and so there will be teams you play at home less than once every two years. American football obviously deals with this out of necessity and it's worked for them, but it's never been how American sports that are not blood sports have functioned, and it's worth noting that that the 3 other major professional team sports in the US have all focused their meaning around the idea of winning series rather than games, and thus the idea of one team figuring the other out over the course of games is baked into the culture now.

5. I don't think there's any way to save the all-star game itself. I do think having something like the All-Star weekend at around the mid-point of the year should be saved.

6. The idea of the NBA Cup seems much more promising than the all-star game to me going forward, but I don't think trying to develop a new basketball cultural event during football season is going to work, but a version of the Cup that culminates around the time of the traditional All-Star weekend works.

7. Being able to transition then from the Cup final into in-Division rivalries then works thematically, and is a big improvement of the existing "now we're going to play more regular season until college basketball ends even though a lot of teams have given up on the season at this point".
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3904 » by Chip » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:16 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:Only players with 2 rings in the 2020s:

KCP - Jrue - Caruso

All three on multiple teams - sign of the times


All three are quintessential "smart" bball players too
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3905 » by LeoClark » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:52 am

Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks for KD? We won this trade. Can’t wait for 2026
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3906 » by cpower » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:11 am

I did not know Boston Celtics also owns Portland TB team.. damn that trade is bad...geez
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3907 » by AEnigma » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:42 am

It is annoying in the sense that they gave draft capital to help the Celtics financially, but if you removed the team names and contract lengths, I would feel pretty neutral about it. Even old Jrue is better and more useful than what Simons has shown so far.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3908 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:57 pm

Holiday can be TWolves Conley for them, but they don't have an Edwards, and he's paid a lot. Don't think they needed to do this. eg. Simons for Middleton they could've gotten an old Buck and not taken the salary.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3909 » by AEnigma » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:16 pm

Penbeast would have wept if the Wizards paired Simons with Poole.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3910 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:50 pm

So off-season thoughts:

1. I don't freaking understand why the NBA allows their teams to make trades before the NBA Finals are over. I get that you can't stop unofficial discussions, but the whole media machine should be geared toward the Finals first while it is still going on. Sure you run ads for the upcoming Draft and talk about it in passing, but that's not the same thing as announcing a malcontent superstar is getting traded while championship basketball is happening.

2. I'm generally not a micromanager of trade details, but it's so wtf to me that that the Suns big salary they took on is Jalen Green in the KD trade. I mean, on a certain level it can be explained as the Suns about to be going into a re-building mode regardless of what they claim, but seriously y'all, this is a guy who has now been in the NBA for 4 years as score-first starter without ever justifying that place with consistent play...which is a kind way of saying, he's looking like one of those busts whose pre-NBA hype is just enough to get him generational money in a second contract despite never actually helping an NBA team in his career.

Sorry, I don't mean to hate on the young guy, but it's just: Green following signing that new contract with now this Year 4 to me means that that contract shouldn't be considered an asset, but rather something that you have to give other things away to unload. And instead they got Kevin Durant. That's crazy!

3. To say that the KD experiment blew up in the face of the Suns is an understatement, and they have to now really deal with the fact that they had circa 2021 they had a young core that at the very least could be expected to be a good team with local following for a decade to come, but instead half a decade later they seem destined for less than that for many years to come.

4. Will the KD experiment do better in Houston? Well, I mean, if you mean do better than Jalen Green, how could KD not be an improvement? So there's that. Of course the real question is what happens to the Rockets locker room if (when) KD's brain goes to a paranoid place?

Even before that, the immediate question is going to be about what KD is willing to do for Udoka. We know that there's a positive relationship there from their time together in Brooklyn, but we also know that KD & Kyrie at the time were simply not interested in buying into complicated defensive schemes. Presumably Udoka has a plan that he thinks will be perfect with KD and Udoka's track record is strong with this stuff - both defensive schemes and player relationships - but KD"s relationship with Nash was great too back when they were working together as something other than star vs head coach.

5. In terms of actual basketball expectations, I think it has to be that Houston will be better next year, but probably not good enough to win 4 series. Hence, in a "Championship or Bust" sense, expect the Bust, but then again, KD"s a bit old to be having that kind of expectations on him, so it is in some ways unfair to judge him that way...

6. But of course, the dude did just turn sour for his previous team who he demanded a trade too, and then he just forced his way out again because...presumably he wants to contend for a title. So it may be "Championship or Bust" for KD himself, in which case, his mood will likely be as volatile as it's been at his previous stations.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3911 » by parsnips33 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:59 pm

Am I really going to have to talk myself into Kristaps Porzingis :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3912 » by IlikeSHAIguys » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:12 pm

Huge fan of how KD is getting talked about as much as us lol.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3913 » by parsnips33 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:28 pm

IlikeSHAIguys wrote:Huge fan of how KD is getting talked about as much as us lol.


Enjoy the "they got lucky/won because of injuries" season

Next year is 73-9 and ultimate heartbreak in the Finals
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3914 » by eminence » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:37 pm

parsnips33 wrote:
IlikeSHAIguys wrote:Huge fan of how KD is getting talked about as much as us lol.


Enjoy the "they got lucky/won because of injuries" season

Next year is 73-9 and ultimate heartbreak in the Finals


WCF you mean, the Jazz are bouncing back!

...We're not and it absolutely stinks to be going into year 4 of a tank. Utah got about as good of value as one could hope for in dealing their two stars, and we are probably not getting close to that good again this decade.

I understand we had to split up the duo, but man I wish it'd been a rebuild (probably around Rudy as Don didn't seem interested in staying in Utah).

Conley/???/???/Lauri/Gobert - Could've been fun for a bit.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3915 » by Jaivl » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:47 pm

parsnips33 wrote:
IlikeSHAIguys wrote:Huge fan of how KD is getting talked about as much as us lol.


Enjoy the "they got lucky/won because of injuries" season

Next year is 73-9 and ultimate heartbreak in the Finals

Don't care, a ring is a ring. Rejoice!
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3916 » by jalengreen » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:00 pm

IlikeSHAIguys wrote:Huge fan of how KD is getting talked about as much as us lol.


Wait til you hear what the NBA has scheduled tomorrow
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3917 » by jalengreen » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:02 pm

parsnips33 wrote:
IlikeSHAIguys wrote:Huge fan of how KD is getting talked about as much as us lol.


Enjoy the "they got lucky/won because of injuries" season

Next year is 73-9 and ultimate heartbreak in the Finals


Hm.. and the Cavaliers are the early favorites to win the East..
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3918 » by ShaqAttac » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:20 pm

jalengreen wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:
IlikeSHAIguys wrote:Huge fan of how KD is getting talked about as much as us lol.


Enjoy the "they got lucky/won because of injuries" season

Next year is 73-9 and ultimate heartbreak in the Finals


Hm.. and the Cavaliers are the early favorites to win the East..

all dem injuries helpin
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3919 » by ShaqAttac » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:21 pm

luka better be in shape next yr
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3920 » by parsnips33 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:59 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Am I really going to have to talk myself into Kristaps Porzingis :lol: :lol:


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