The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[BobbieL]

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I hate him even more
where was your mind you *** when you advised the suns to trade for beal

If Booker is anything like Durant - just trade him now

[Sunsdeuce]

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I hate him even more
where was your mind you *** when you advised the suns to trade for beal

That MFer bled us dry and is now capping it off with a final FU to the Suns.

[dremill24]

I know they just got Desmond Bane but that gives Orlando exactly one plus shooter to play lol so I still think Grayson Allen is a reasonable option for them. After seeing him get squeezed out of the rotation in the playoffs, I've come around to thinking it's plausible the Magic might part with old reliable trade target Goga Bitadze in an Allen swap. They'd just have to toss in a bit more salary (Howard?), who may be able to be re-routed to cut some costs. Maybe one of those seconds goes out to get that done.

[sunsbum]

Looking at the Ringer Draft Guide, this draft is far from exciting. Just reading the breakdowns and looking at comps, I'd be happy with Carter Bryant just because I have watched him and I can see he wiil likely be a talent. Though it's probably unlikely we will go BPA since Ish feels we will be really good and will take a positional need.

you like a u of a guy. I’m shocked. I like him as well but I don’t think he will contribute at a meaningful level for 3 years

[Sunsdeuce]

Bright side likes guy and I do too just not with the 10th pick

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2025/6/23/24453800/phoenix-suns-nba-draft-thomas-sorber-scouting-report-kevin-durant-trade-pick-analysis

[BobbieL]

I know they just got Desmond Bane but that gives Orlando exactly one plus shooter to play lol so I still think Grayson Allen is a reasonable option for them. After seeing him get squeezed out of the rotation in the playoffs, I've come around to thinking it's plausible the Magic might part with old reliable trade target Goga Bitadze in an Allen swap. They'd just have to toss in a bit more salary (Howard?), who may be able to be re-routed to cut some costs. Maybe one of those seconds goes out to get that done.

I think the trade works without the Magic needing to add another player. That would save hte Suns $6m - -which is big time savings

[dremill24]

I know they just got Desmond Bane but that gives Orlando exactly one plus shooter to play lol so I still think Grayson Allen is a reasonable option for them. After seeing him get squeezed out of the rotation in the playoffs, I've come around to thinking it's plausible the Magic might part with old reliable trade target Goga Bitadze in an Allen swap. They'd just have to toss in a bit more salary (Howard?), who may be able to be re-routed to cut some costs. Maybe one of those seconds goes out to get that done.

I think the trade works without the Magic needing to add another player. That would save hte Suns $6m - -which is big time savings

They're a little close to the first apron for that.

Though if they end up dropping Mo Wagner's salary to a lower number with his non-guarantee (likely), things work out better.

Allen to ORL, Bitadze to PHX, Howard to MIL isn't totally unreasonable IMO (gets PHX the same savings you were referencing).

[bwgood77]

Looking at the Ringer Draft Guide, this draft is far from exciting. Just reading the breakdowns and looking at comps, I'd be happy with Carter Bryant just because I have watched him and I can see he wiil likely be a talent. Though it's probably unlikely we will go BPA since Ish feels we will be really good and will take a positional need.

you like a u of a guy. I’m shocked. I like him as well but I don’t think he will contribute at a meaningful level for 3 years

Actually I don't necessarily usually like them. But I always felt they should play him more. He felt like a guy that was a clutch shooter, had high confidence, was very athletic and could defend.

I haven't really wanted a UA guy in a while. I can't really remember wanting one actually. I did like Stanley Johnson at the time which was a miss. I liked Richard Jefferson and Gilbert Arenas back in the day. The one I recently semi liked was Pelle Larsson.

Carter Bryant reminds me of the type of player though that can thrive in today's NBA. But it's not like he was a main guy that handled a lot or anything so I don't have a lot to critique. I just remember he was athletic, played solid D, and often when we needed a 3 he'd make it, but too often the Cats were shooting terrible from 3 and he wasn't getting minutes..so wasn't putting up many shots.

And then last night I was watching Russillo and Simmons and Carter Bryant was brought up and they mentioned every team seemed to like Carter Bryant.

So that kind of made me feel better about my opinion on him, even though he's not a typical guy I would say to use a high pick on. It just doesn't seem like there is much here.

[phnart]

Westbrook is not coming here for the vets minimum, although seeing him, Brooks, Grayson, and Dunn on the floor together agitating people would be fun.

Summer of being underwhelmed is not done yet, sadly.

I am curious what a dose of attitude is going to do to this team. What do they really see in Green, too?

I mean if you dont think Westbrook would be interested in Phoenix (or vice versa), thats fine. But hes been playing for the minimum for multiple seasons now so if thats your hangup, I think you can put that to rest.

I think Westbrook will go to a team that has a chance to win, if he can.

[RaisingArizona]

Looking at the Ringer Draft Guide, this draft is far from exciting. Just reading the breakdowns and looking at comps, I'd be happy with Carter Bryant just because I have watched him and I can see he wiil likely be a talent. Though it's probably unlikely we will go BPA since Ish feels we will be really good and will take a positional need.

you like a u of a guy. I’m shocked. I like him as well but I don’t think he will contribute at a meaningful level for 3 years

after disayton, i want nothing to do with uofa guys

[dremill24]

Westbrook is not coming here for the vets minimum, although seeing him, Brooks, Grayson, and Dunn on the floor together agitating people would be fun.

Summer of being underwhelmed is not done yet, sadly.

I am curious what a dose of attitude is going to do to this team. What do they really see in Green, too?

I mean if you dont think Westbrook would be interested in Phoenix (or vice versa), thats fine. But hes been playing for the minimum for multiple seasons now so if thats your hangup, I think you can put that to rest.

I think Westbrook will go to a team that has a chance to win, if he can.

That's fair. I just wasn't sure if it was the "Phoenix" part or the "minimum" part you were having a hard time with.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Yes, its a lot of money tied up at the 2 but as has been mentioned

1) cannot sell low on Green
2) don't do something stupid with Beal like attach a bunch of picks to move him. Sorry, 2nd round picks aren't getting it done.

The team is a 30 win team - on paper - maybe. So who REALLY cares if they have so much money at the 2G. Be smart
Dump O'Neale
dump Allen
I really want to keep Brooks

Use this year as a free pass year

And again, what player can you sign with the MLE that will be better than Beal - I get the Suns can't have five guards - but moving on from Allen and O'Neale will be needed

Agree with everything you're saying man! And we've been on the same page about Beal even when others couldn't or refused to accept the reality of the situation.

But the one thing we shouldn't have done under any circumstances was further compound positional redundancy at the SG. I mean we had a better offer from Toronto that would've given us the 9th pick and a legit point guard and wing prospect.

But we chose the lowest value offer possible and are doing what exactly here? Featuring a team of something like 5-6 undersized shooting guards?? We couldn't find a trade with even one big?? Jumbo 3/4, power forward, center?

All this time waiting for the outcome and we couldn't expand it to address even one of our ithr4 million positional needs? Because the one position that we actually didn't have a need to fill and actually had an surplus and logjam at was shooting guard.

So logically we decided to add even more money to that position? Do they have any concept at all on roster balance/ construction? I understand that we're not done here. But this us absolutely not the way to start out on a critical franchise altering trade.

So far on trades, they're like 0-4 maybe even 0-5.

If the Toronto offer were real of IQ, Poeltl and the 9th pick - I think the Suns should have taken that one
I just don't think it was real

And I get it - the Suns didn't do a lot of the things you mentioned. But they didn't have any leverage.

But I think the suns need to take a longer term approach. One step at a time. I think should be the mantra
Jalen Green - talented player. Lets see what he and Booker can do together. Because doing stuff to do stuff - -well look at where the Suns are. They need a longer term vision so if that means three shooting guards - so be it.

Better than selling low on Green just to get a 4 or 5 when you can get by with a vet minimum player.

Agreed! The Toronto trade was on the table though, just not with Poetl as they always intended on resigning him to a new 4 yr deal for 121.88 million.:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/raptorsnation.com/2025/06/21/raptors-rumors-toronto-could-reach-contract-extension-with-jakob-poeltl-soon/%3famp

“Poeltl is eligible for a three-year, $88.2 million extension if he opts into the final year of his current deal, or a four-year, $121.8 million extension if he opts out and signs a new contract starting this season. Opting into the final year of his current $19.5 million deal would give the Raptors some additional cap flexibility for any acquisitions they might want to pursue this summer.”

The thing with Poetl is/was that Ujiri and many heavy hitters in the Raptors front office have a strong connection with Poetl and didn't want to/ weren't willing to give him up in the trade. Also because they wanted to compete with KD and needed a starting center to accomplish that.

Phoenix seriously wanted him, but once he was off the table, they're interests cooled. The framework then became Barrett/"Quickly/ 9th pick which was on the table. And would have sent Barrett or Quickly and the 9th pick to the Nets for Claxton/ multiple 1sts.

But something happened and the Suns then pivoted to the Houston trade ( lesser offer) but got those 2nds included as alternative value for not getting another 1st or the young players they coveted.

[BobbieL]

I just listened to 10 minutes of PHNX_SUNS and they had clips of Erik talking to Flex and maybe he will turn out to be correct but I think Flex is full of nonsense. Flex doesn't have enough specifics to be a true insider. He g

No specifics - just generalities that "there is a market for Bradley Beal". Of course there is if you throw enough crap against the wall but at what point does paying to trade beal become worse than keeping him

too much hate trying to make Beal go away.

[RaisingArizona]

Bright side likes guy and I do too just not with the 10th pick

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2025/6/23/24453800/phoenix-suns-nba-draft-thomas-sorber-scouting-report-kevin-durant-trade-pick-analysis

I like Sorber too

[bwgood77]

Looking at the Ringer Draft Guide, this draft is far from exciting. Just reading the breakdowns and looking at comps, I'd be happy with Carter Bryant just because I have watched him and I can see he wiil likely be a talent. Though it's probably unlikely we will go BPA since Ish feels we will be really good and will take a positional need.

you like a u of a guy. I’m shocked. I like him as well but I don’t think he will contribute at a meaningful level for 3 years

after disayton, i want nothing to do with uofa guys

I mean with him it was obvious you should stay away from him. You didn't even need to watch much, just his tournament game.

Plus, AZ's coach now is one of the best, so I think guys he recruits are likely guys that have a different makeup. I can't think of any of their other guys I would want though.

[bwgood77]

I just listened to 10 minutes of PHNX_SUNS and they had clips of Erik talking to Flex and maybe he will turn out to be correct but I think Flex is full of nonsense.

No specifics - just generalities that "there is a market for Bradley Beal"

of course there is if you throw enough crap against the wall but at what point does paying to trade beal become worse than keeping him

I just don't get all the Beal hate

I don't understand all the talk about Beal. I mean, if you can't trade him for something positive, why trade him? Are people concerned with Ishbia's money? It's not like we will create cap space. Are we just talking to have more flexibily in trades? I mean we don't really have much for trade assets that will get us anything anyway. I keep seeing him mentioned and brought up. Of course with so few assets and draft picks it would be ludicrous to trade picks to get rid of the contract....would be Sarverish. That's all we need is Ishbia to also pick up the worst traits of Sarver, throwing away assets to save money.

[Biff]

Looking at the Ringer Draft Guide, this draft is far from exciting. Just reading the breakdowns and looking at comps, I'd be happy with Carter Bryant just because I have watched him and I can see he wiil likely be a talent. Though it's probably unlikely we will go BPA since Ish feels we will be really good and will take a positional need.

you like a u of a guy. I’m shocked. I like him as well but I don’t think he will contribute at a meaningful level for 3 years

Actually I don't necessarily usually like them. But I always felt they should play him more. He felt like a guy that was a clutch shooter, had high confidence, was very athletic and could defend.

I haven't really wanted a UA guy in a while. I can't really remember wanting one actually. I did like Stanley Johnson at the time which was a miss. I liked Richard Jefferson and Gilbert Arenas back in the day. The one I recently semi liked was Pelle Larsson.

Carter Bryant reminds me of the type of player though that can thrive in today's NBA. But it's not like he was a main guy that handled a lot or anything so I don't have a lot to critique. I just remember he was athletic, played solid D, and often when we needed a 3 he'd make it, but too often the Cats were shooting terrible from 3 and he wasn't getting minutes..so wasn't putting up many shots.

And then last night I was watching Russillo and Simmons and Carter Bryant was brought up and they mentioned every team seemed to like Carter Bryant.

So that kind of made me feel better about my opinion on him, even though he's not a typical guy I would say to use a high pick on. It just doesn't seem like there is much here.

A guy like Bryan is probably our best bet. We need a rotational piece out of this and I think most of the high ceiling guys come with big risks of being busts. There's just not much sure stars outside a handful of guys.

[Sunsdeuce]

Per Gambo aka Capt Obvious

“ Expect the Suns to prioritize Power Forward and Center in upcoming draft and free agency period. They really need a 4 and can use either a starting 5 or backup 5.”

Gee ya think Gambo. Bet that was hard to figure out.

[Qwigglez]

Per Gambo aka Capt Obvious

“ Expect the Suns to prioritize Power Forward and Center in upcoming draft and free agency period. They really need a 4 and can use either a starting 5 or backup 5.”

Gee ya think Gambo. Bet that was hard to figure out.

"Expect the Suns to prioritize a shooting guard in upcoming draft and free agency period. If the Suns roster consists of only shooting guards, it creates an imbalance throughout the league. Suns corner the market, then raise the price. Simple economics." - Qwigglez

[BobbieL]

Per Gambo aka Capt Obvious

“ Expect the Suns to prioritize Power Forward and Center in upcoming draft and free agency period. They really need a 4 and can use either a starting 5 or backup 5.”

Gee ya think Gambo. Bet that was hard to figure out.

I wonder who his "sauces" are that told him.

And for the pick at 10, he will have five names - the Gambo 5. Granted, he can exclude Harper, Flagg and Bailey so his odds are pretty good

How about the Gambo 2 - maybe 3