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[Frank Nova]

The most realistic path to an asset is there not being a strong market for KPJ, bringing him back, and having him show out.

A resurgence from a stressed asset ala Kyle Kuzma is another way. You need it to be more Jimmy Butler from Philly to Miami tho. Kuzma will have a hard enough time cracking top 80 let alone 30. Something in that regard to your point.

[Bernman]

Kuzma's resurgence and acceptance of being a role player finally would look something like Aaron Gordon in Denver I'd think. The fear is 1/3 of the dudes his size and generation think they're T-Mac.

As for Trent vs. Kennard, all things being equal, Trent by a million miles, for continuity, age, health, & not as bad on d. That said, if it's Trent on the MLE or Kennard on the minimum, I'm taking the latter and utilizing the MLE elsewhere. Trent needs to come in at 10 or less or we should walk away.

[Ron Swanson]

I keep coming back to Luke Kennard as a guy who I think would be a pretty awesome fit here with Giannis. Unlike a lot of these guys who are strictly catch and shoot guards/wings, he's both a lethal shooter off movement and also has some secondary play-making ability. If he's not getting anything more than the taxpayer MLE, could be a good option.

Kennard or Trent Jr if you had to pick 1?

Equal contracts it's Trent. Like Bern said though if he's gonna want a full-MLE offer like I fear he might (and get), Kennard offers more offensive versatility (but less defensive utility) for cheaper. I'd probably prefer him in that situation.

[German Athens]

Would you guys prefer Grimes at the full-MLE to Trent at 8-10?

[German Athens]

Probably worth circling back around to Keegan Murray. His value has to be the lowest of his career right now.

[Wisky4life]

We should be able to build somthing here right?

Let Brook and Bobby go (Sign and Trade)
Prince gone
Trade Kuzma and Conny.

ReSign Trent and Porter.

PG: Porter..........Rollins...........Lillard
SG: Trent............Green...........Jackson
SF: X...................X...................Livingston
PF: Giannis.........Smith...........X
C: X....................Sims.............X

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Assuming you're using the BAE and MLE to re-sign Porter and Trent, this looks pretty bleak unless you're magically getting 3-4 starting caliber NBA players in those trades/sign and trades.

I think that is my fear. Have to hope Horst hits on a few trades and then some guys end up actually be good.

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[ShootingtheJ]

Would you guys prefer Grimes at the full-MLE to Trent at 8-10?

Grimes, but I think Philly would match that. I wonder if Brooklyn makes a play for him? Around $20 million and Philly gets uneasy. Young FAs always get overpaid. Slight possibility Grimes does a 1 year deal with a PO, so he has the option to get back on the market next year without being a RFA.

[ShootingtheJ]

I see a lot of Trent at SG, and a lot of "we can let Trent walk because we have Green"

Trent and Green were really good together, Trent played a lot of SF, and because of his inability to contain the dribble, it might be his best position.

Letting Trent walk means we need to add 2 SFs instead of 1.

[M-C-G]

I’m still curious how we can use the salary, exceptions, etc to just add assets. Sign and trade Lopez, get TPE, use TPE to absorb Grayson Allen and draft picks.

Use the exceptions to do the same so we have some kind of assets in a down year while Doc is still our coach. Maybe it works, but if we are in any position to use salary slots to take on useful players that fit with Giannis AND give us assets, that has to be the play.

Now what I expect is something like we use everything to end up with Jrue and Porzingas. But let’s see what happens

[tedbrogen]

I see a lot of Trent at SG, and a lot of "we can let Trent walk because we have Green"

Trent and Green were really good together, Trent played a lot of SF, and because of his inability to contain the dribble, it might be his best position.

Letting Trent walk means we need to add 2 SFs instead of 1.

Yeah, ideally they retain GTJ, KPJ, Bobby and roll with the lineup that we know works as the starters. Keep Rollins and Sims around for the bench. See what you get doing a Brook S&T, get another bench shooter like Kennard on the min. Grab another big on the min in case Smith isn’t rotation ready. See what you can turn Kuz and Pat into.

Not having a true wing defender doesn’t really matter when you have Giannis.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I see a lot of Trent at SG, and a lot of "we can let Trent walk because we have Green"

Trent and Green were really good together, Trent played a lot of SF, and because of his inability to contain the dribble, it might be his best position.

Letting Trent walk means we need to add 2 SFs instead of 1.

Yeah, ideally they retain GTJ, KPJ, Bobby and roll with the lineup that we know works as the starters. Keep Rollins and Sims around for the bench. See what you get doing a Brook S&T, get another bench shooter like Kennard on the min. Grab another big on the min in case Smith isn’t rotation ready. See what you can turn Kuz and Pat into.

Not having a true wing defender doesn’t really matter when you have Giannis.

xxxx/rollins
aj green/ ajj
gtj/patc
giannis/kuzma
portis/sims

the goal should be trying to get kpj to buy in longterm to a vision and not be a pay me guy after a couple weeks with us. if he doesnt resign we still try and get the best pg we can off the vet min market. so much depends on our approach with dame thru all this

optimistic next year we have a fun team playing a new way.... portis and gtj are our big targets tho. invest as needed up to 14 mil each on both. i think 14 mil is our limit so there is that. but i think that should be plenty plenty for both

use the BAE or lopez s/t or even vet min for a pg tho. thats the formula

[tedbrogen]

I’m still curious how we can use the salary, exceptions, etc to just add assets. Sign and trade Lopez, get TPE, use TPE to absorb Grayson Allen and draft picks.

Use the exceptions to do the same so we have some kind of assets in a down year while Doc is still our coach. Maybe it works, but if we are in any position to use salary slots to take on useful players that fit with Giannis AND give us assets, that has to be the play.

Now what I expect is something like we use everything to end up with Jrue and Porzingas. But let’s see what happens

Probably just me but I’d be totally down for a starting lineup of KPJ/Jrue/AJG/Giannis/KP with Rollins/Kennard/Smith/Sims/whoever else will sign a min contract on the bench.

[tedbrogen]

I see a lot of Trent at SG, and a lot of "we can let Trent walk because we have Green"

Trent and Green were really good together, Trent played a lot of SF, and because of his inability to contain the dribble, it might be his best position.

Letting Trent walk means we need to add 2 SFs instead of 1.

Yeah, ideally they retain GTJ, KPJ, Bobby and roll with the lineup that we know works as the starters. Keep Rollins and Sims around for the bench. See what you get doing a Brook S&T, get another bench shooter like Kennard on the min. Grab another big on the min in case Smith isn’t rotation ready. See what you can turn Kuz and Pat into.

Not having a true wing defender doesn’t really matter when you have Giannis.

xxxx/rollins
aj green/ ajj
gtj/patc
giannis/kuzma
portis/sims

the goal should be trying to get kpj to buy in longterm to a vision and not be a pay me guy after a couple weeks with us. if he doesnt resign we still try and get the best pg we can off the vet min market. so much depends on our approach with dame thru all this

optimistic next year we have a fun team playing a new way.... portis and gtj are our targets. invest as needed up to 14 mil each on both.

Problem is you can’t keep Kuzma on the roster or Doc starts him at SF…

[Ron Swanson]

I guess I don't really believe this idea that you're going to "rehab" Kuzma at this point. Dude's 30 years old and this is just kinda who he is when he's not being tasked to put up empty stats on a tank team. Just an incredibly awkward player who's borderline impossible to fit into a positive impact supporting role due to his shooting deficiencies and way-too-often, baffling decision-making & shot selection.

Think most teams realize his main, maybe only value at this point is in his descending contract, so I don't believe teams are gonna reevaluate their interest based on him slightly bumping his shooting percentages back closer to his career averages (which is still inefficient). Unless you're just arguing that he's more valuable next offseason as an expiring (sure). But if there's a deal out there where his contract is more palatable to a tax team needing to shed salary, we better be exploring that.

[German Athens]

Yeah, I think the only player who could rehab their value and actually end up netting you something positive is Dame.

Kuzma could maybe get to the point of neutrality, but even that’s a steep hill to climb.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Yeah, ideally they retain GTJ, KPJ, Bobby and roll with the lineup that we know works as the starters. Keep Rollins and Sims around for the bench. See what you get doing a Brook S&T, get another bench shooter like Kennard on the min. Grab another big on the min in case Smith isn’t rotation ready. See what you can turn Kuz and Pat into.

Not having a true wing defender doesn’t really matter when you have Giannis.

xxxx/rollins
aj green/ ajj
gtj/patc
giannis/kuzma
portis/sims

the goal should be trying to get kpj to buy in longterm to a vision and not be a pay me guy after a couple weeks with us. if he doesnt resign we still try and get the best pg we can off the vet min market. so much depends on our approach with dame thru all this

optimistic next year we have a fun team playing a new way.... portis and gtj are our targets. invest as needed up to 14 mil each on both.

Problem is you can’t keep Kuzma on the roster or Doc starts him at SF…

maybe...kuzma got benched in our last game tho no?

what if kuzma became the last couple years version of portis. hmm.... would he be energized with a bench role? 20 games of giannis sitting out and he gets to start? isnt pf been his best role?

if youre trying to rehab him i think a we still love you.... play hard with minutes you get.... bench role..... is best regardless

hes an expiring soon enough. i think an expiring we can rehab. he strikes me as a really expensive gtj or beasley quite frankly

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I guess I don't really believe this idea that you're going to "rehab" Kuzma at this point. Dude's 30 years old and this is just kinda who he is when he's not being tasked to put up empty stats on a tank team. Just an incredibly awkward player who's borderline impossible to fit into a positive impact supporting role due to his shooting deficiencies and way-too-often, baffling decision-making & shot selection.

Think most teams realize his main, maybe only value at this point is in his descending contract, so I don't believe teams are gonna reevaluate their interest based on him slightly bumping his shooting percentages back closer to his career averages (which is still inefficient). Unless you're just arguing that he's more valuable next offseason as an expiring (sure). But if there's a deal out there where his contract is more palatable to a tax team needing to shed salary, we better be exploring that.

nah....just bring him off the bench on a team that wins a bit. put him in a healthy locker room. hes coming up on a contract remember.

i think he can still be worth more than pat at his number for example

[bucksfansince88]

Would you guys prefer Grimes at the full-MLE to Trent at 8-10?

Trent

[Frank Nova]

I’ll probably get flamed for this and rightfully so but I still feel like it applies if you’re looking at stressed assets that could be obtainable that are top 30ish type players and play a position of need…. Gentleman I present to you, none other than the Fotis special, Mr. Demar Derozan..

I’m just saying it could be an option.. a good one? Hmmm.

[German Athens]

I’ll probably get flamed for this and rightfully so but I still feel like it applies if you’re looking at stressed assets that could be obtainable that are top 30ish type players and play a position of need…. Gentleman I present to you, none other than the Fotis special, Mr. Demar Derozan..

I’m just saying it could be an option.. a good one? Hmmm.

I don’t think Demar is a top-100 player, let alone top-30. He presents the opposite of a lot of things that we saw work late last season.