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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1681 » by brwnman » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:35 pm

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Not sure if the Raps are there yet, but they are definitely looking to move on from that contract. It's an overpay right now, and just because it's a flat contract at the end, doesn't mean it's a good one. Paid IQ his max potential, and he's unlikely to be a value for the contract. The Raptors also bid against themselves.


Not sure how anyone can say he will provide great value when we don't even really know what IQ is yet. He hasn't even started 100 games in the NBA, at age 26. Currently the only good thing you can say about that contract is that at least 1 year is now gone off of it. I am not too upset about it though, because I always expected it to be on the higher side due to the slight premium we have to add on top to play in Canada.


IQ’s contract isn’t that bad relative to the cap and his position.

Consider: IQ’s contract will average around 18% of the cap over its lifetime. It’s also a flat contract and the cap is going to go up 10% per year for the next 3-4 years. IQ’s deal gets better over time.

18% of the cap is what the 20th highest paid PG made this past season.

If you think IQ is somewhere around the 20th best PG in the league then his contract falls right in line with that.


I think what you have to ask yourself is, if he's the 20th best PG and players around him are being paid similar... would you want any of those 'other' players at that value? PG is an incredibly deep position, paying 32.5M to a player that hasn't really cemented himself as a starter seems risky. He may turn into that guy, but so far, Raps paid for his potential and not the player he is.
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1682 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:46 pm

For a long term contract, you want to find the middle spot between a player's best and worst case scenario. I called IQs contract as a bad deal at the time and even now because he was already being paid for his best case scenario.

He has done nothing to prove he can handle the position for a full season. I think next season we can accurately judge whether his contract is a good/bad one considering the circus we've had going on the past 2 seasons.
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1683 » by VC15Era » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:55 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:For a long term contract, you want to find the middle spot between a player's best and worst case scenario. I called IQs contract as a bad deal at the time and even now because he was already being paid for his best case scenario.

He has done nothing to prove he can handle the position for a full season. I think next season we can accurately judge whether his contract is a good/bad one considering the circus we've had going on the past 2 seasons.


He hasn't proven to be a $35 million dollar a year player. It felt like an overpay since the contract was signed. Hope there is a way we can dump RJ and IQ in one shot for a vet that is expiring or needs a "change of scenery" and draft capital of some sort. Those are the only 2 bad contracts we have.
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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#1684 » by MiamiSPX » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:13 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:For a long term contract, you want to find the middle spot between a player's best and worst case scenario. I called IQs contract as a bad deal at the time and even now because he was already being paid for his best case scenario.

He has done nothing to prove he can handle the position for a full season. I think next season we can accurately judge whether his contract is a good/bad one considering the circus we've had going on the past 2 seasons.


This is exactly how I feel but you said it much better than I have. I like IQ. I know last season he dealt with injuries and an unserious team. But the fact remains that thus far 20% of his contract has been anything but "a steal".
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Post#1686 » by RaptorPride » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:43 pm

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Post#1688 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:11 pm

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Until something of substance shows up to distract us, I'd guess.
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Post#1689 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:26 pm

RJ will be gone this offseason....Way too many reports to keep him at this point....I think we get another big for him or try and get another pick in the process of a trade.
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Post#1690 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:26 pm

Scase wrote:There is no world that trading him in secret would have resulted in a better end result for the team.


Yes, that is what I am saying. Nico gave up the leverage of other teams bidding on Luka by only negotiating with his friend.
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Post#1691 » by Scase » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:36 pm

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Scase wrote:There is no world that trading him in secret would have resulted in a better end result for the team.


Yes, that is what I am saying. Nico gave up the leverage of other teams bidding on Luka by only negotiating with his friend.

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Post#1692 » by DG88 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:39 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:RJ will be gone this offseason....Way too many reports to keep him at this point....I think we get another big for him or try and get another pick in the process of a trade.

He's the one player on our roster that we'll probably trade. I can see him being used to get a backup C and maybe a prospect
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Post#1693 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:53 pm

RJ is gonezo.
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Post#1694 » by PushDaRock » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:57 pm

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Scase wrote:Because I'm willing to bet that the Clips didn't call up Presti offering him the farm for PG right off the bat. GMs make bad trades all the time (Hello VC trade), GMs still need to demand good value coming back. Presti definitely had leverage, but so did Nico and he still got a mid return for Luka. It takes 2 to tango.


Nico had nowhere near the leverage for a few reasons. 1) he was the one who decided to make the trade - the Mavs decided they didn't want to pay Luka his next extension and he only had a year left on his deal (he will definitely be opting out) and 2) Nico only negotiated in secret with 1 team, because he knew how **** ridiculous trading Luka was. OKC's leverage was Kawhi saying he would only sign with LAC (if you actually believed him/Uncle Dennis) if they got George specifically, and George had just signed a 5 year extension or whatever it was. Kawhi's entire free agency was very public. He had the Lakers (and us, sort of) sitting there too. Presti had all of the leverage in that situation. A desperate Ballmer looking to make a big splash, and the one guy under contract for a long time that would not only get him George, but also Kawhi.


That trade is still such a piss-off, from our perspective. We were the only ones standing there with nothing to show for it. Meanwhile OKC got the greatest rebuild package of all time for a much lesser player in PG.

If we knew Kawhi was leaving we should have somehow pushed for a sign-and-trade.

There must have been something we could have negotiated with Kawhi's cam. Even Golden State got something in return for KD from Brooklyn that summer with Deangelo Russell. Which half a year later was flipped for Wiggins and the draft pick that became Kuminga.


He signed a 2+1 deal with the Clippers, he had no interest in getting the 5 year max, because he was targeting 35% of the cap after playing 10 years. There was no need to do a sign and trade when they had the cap space.
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Post#1695 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:02 pm

RJ for Claxton swap?
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Post#1696 » by M3tro » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:02 pm

Might as well cut off the dead wood sooner than later
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Post#1697 » by Raptors_128 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:03 pm

Is RJ enough for the Hornets to trade down?
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Post#1699 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:05 pm

Raptors_128 wrote:Is RJ enough for the Hornets to trade down?


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Post#1700 » by bboyskinnylegs » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:07 pm

it's obvious we're shopping him, but which teams are actually motivated to trade the requisite salaries/asset value for him?

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