Wizards and Spurs trade young players

TGW · Post #1 » by **TGW** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:57 pm

Wizards trade: Coulibaly

Spurs trade: Castle

*if the Wizards draft Bailey

Why for the Wizards: If Bailey is the pick, they'll have a glut of forwards. This move balances the roster and allows maximum PT to Bailey.

Poole
Castle
Middleton
Bailey
Sarr

Why for the Spurs: they also have a roster balance issue with too many ball handling guards. Wemby's former french teammate gives them a young defender that can guard 2/3/4 positions.

Fox
Harper
Couilbaly
Sochan
Wemby

hugepatsfan · Post #2 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:05 pm

Did you forget to post the rest of what WAS is giving up? Because hard to believe this was seriously suggested as a 1 for 1 swap.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #3 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:21 pm

I like Bilal but he's both slightly older than Castle and notably *worse* than Castle. Yeah, there's fit issues with Fox/Castle/Harper, but Castle is more than big enough to be a wing, it's certainly not enough to downgrade to Bilal for.

We'd have to include Sarr or #6 *at minimum* to get Castle and at that point, just why?

BigGargamel · Post #4 » by **BigGargamel** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:32 pm

This is the kind of trade the computer would do in NBA 2K because the AI is built to make sure the OVR numbers for each starting position is as good as it can be, completely ignoring anything other than the starting position assigned to the player.

Yeah, the Spurs need a SF rated 77 ovr and the Wizards need a SG rated 80 ovr.

But this is real life, and the Wizards need to add A LOT more for the Spurs to not laugh and hang up the phone.

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:38 pm

Silvie Lysandra wrote:I like Bilal but he's both slightly older than Castle and notably *worse* than Castle. Yeah, there's fit issues with Fox/Castle/Harper, but Castle is more than big enough to be a wing, it's certainly not enough to downgrade to Bilal for.

We'd have to include Sarr or #6 *at minimum* to get Castle and at that point, just why?

I would have that as a pretty big overpay by Washington. Maybe you give up 6 for him if you don't like the players there but I wouldn't add Coulibaly to the pick. And I don't think I'd trade Sarr straight up for him.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #6 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:46 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Silvie Lysandra wrote:I like Bilal but he's both slightly older than Castle and notably *worse* than Castle. Yeah, there's fit issues with Fox/Castle/Harper, but Castle is more than big enough to be a wing, it's certainly not enough to downgrade to Bilal for.

We'd have to include Sarr or #6 *at minimum* to get Castle and at that point, just why?

I would have that as a pretty big overpay by Washington. Maybe you give up 6 for him if you don't like the players there but I wouldn't add Coulibaly to the pick. And I don't think I'd trade Sarr straight up for him.

It would be, but you'd need a big overpay to get San Antonio to give up Castle.

I'd slightly prefer Sarr to Castle, but the Spurs wouldn't take that straight up.

Post #7 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:48 pm

Silvie Lysandra wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Silvie Lysandra wrote:I like Bilal but he's both slightly older than Castle and notably *worse* than Castle. Yeah, there's fit issues with Fox/Castle/Harper, but Castle is more than big enough to be a wing, it's certainly not enough to downgrade to Bilal for.

We'd have to include Sarr or #6 *at minimum* to get Castle and at that point, just why?

I would have that as a pretty big overpay by Washington. Maybe you give up 6 for him if you don't like the players there but I wouldn't add Coulibaly to the pick. And I don't think I'd trade Sarr straight up for him.

It would be, but you'd need a big overpay to get San Antonio to give up Castle.

Do you think he's the level of player worth overpaying for? I don't. I don't see the path to stardom for Castle offensively.

daoneandonly · Post #8 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:53 pm

Not close imo. Castle has already proven to be better than Bilal

TGW · Post #9 » by **TGW** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:55 pm

I see them both as equal prospects. I know Castle won ROY in a really weak year, but I wholeheartedly believe he performed better than most because he's being coached by one of the best developmental coaching staffs in the league, while Coulibally is getting coached by one the worst. That's not to say Castle is overrated...I just think he gets the benefit of an organization that knows how to develop talent, and Bilal doesn't.

The Spurs have reportedly wanted Bilal and for good reason...he's 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan. Not many wing players in the NBA with that type of physical profile at 20 yo.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #10 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:57 pm

Castle is the type of prospect and player who will likely be overburdened offensively for the first half of his career and then find a landing ground on a franchise where he can settle into being a 3rd option, a la Jrue Holiday or Derrick White.

That's the most optimistic scenario.

Chinook · Post #11 » by **Chinook** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:25 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Castle is the type of prospect and player who will likely be overburdened offensively for the first half of his career and then find a landing ground on a franchise where he can settle into being a 3rd option, a la Jrue Holiday or Derrick White.

That's the most optimistic scenario.

That's definitely not likely. He's the fourth option on the Spurs now. I find it far more likely he'll be the opposite, where he'll develop poorly because his desire to be an on-ball star will conflict with the Spurs needing him to be an off-ball role-player. Basically that he'll become Dejounte Murray rather than Derrick White.

Chinook · Post #12 » by **Chinook** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:27 pm

Definitely feels like it's a 6-for-14 short on value. If Coulibaly were any other nationality, folks wouldn't assume the Spurs want him so badly.

JJ_PR · Post #13 » by **JJ_PR** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:31 pm

Bilal is a highly regarded prospect, so O.P. is far from insulting imo. It actually seems really good for the Spurs with the French connection between Bilal and Wemby.

That said, I'm higher on Fox than most, so in my view, Castle is expendable for the right deal.

Also, Castle won ROY, but it was probably the weakest ROY in decades.

BK_2020 · Post #14 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:39 pm

Castle is probably going in the 20s in a normal draft.

wegotthabeet · Post #15 » by **wegotthabeet** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:43 pm

What about Sarr + Bilal + 18 for the 2nd overall?

brackdan70 · Post #16 » by **brackdan70** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:57 pm

Silvie Lysandra wrote:I like Bilal but he's both slightly older than Castle and notably *worse* than Castle. Yeah, there's fit issues with Fox/Castle/Harper, but Castle is more than big enough to be a wing, it's certainly not enough to downgrade to Bilal for.

We'd have to include Sarr or #6 *at minimum* to get Castle and at that point, just why?

I don’t really see that he is notably worse, aside from lower usage. There is a 98 day difference in age.
Pretty similar in numbers though Castle is less worse in impact.
I do agree Castle has more value as Bilal had a bit of a some slump and a hamstring injury.
I don’t think the value difference is huge though.

Chinook · Post #17 » by **Chinook** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:23 am

BK_2020 wrote:Castle is probably going in the 20s in a normal draft.

He'd probably be around 10 in this draft. People forget how his stock rose once his height was confirmed. It was basically the opposite of Bailey.

BK_2020 · Post #18 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:59 am

Chinook wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Castle is probably going in the 20s in a normal draft.

He'd probably be around 10 in this draft. People forget how his stock rose once his height was confirmed. It was basically the opposite of Bailey.

We had a full age 20 season of Castle being inefficient from all three levels plus the line. I don't know how you can be optimistic about his ceiling.

Chinook · Post #19 » by **Chinook** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:15 am

BK_2020 wrote:
Chinook wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Castle is probably going in the 20s in a normal draft.

He'd probably be around 10 in this draft. People forget how his stock rose once his height was confirmed. It was basically the opposite of Bailey.

We had a full age 20 season of Castle being inefficient from all three levels plus the line. I don't know how you can be optimistic about his ceiling.

I'm not like most Spurs fans penciling Steph in as a star, but it's not abnormal for guards to start off being inefficient. Castle's close to the year was very different than the start.

GatherStepGuru · Post #20 » by **GatherStepGuru** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:06 am

I liked Castle pre-draft more than Sarr, but considering roster balance, I wouldn't do it if I was Washington. Bilal doesnt project as a go-to offensive star, but as a defensively-minded wing, he is growing into his role quite fine. And Im not sure Castle is that either; If he was, the Spurs wouldnt be so locked into Dylan Harper at 2.

Castle won rookie of the year, but I think a lot of that was a function of minutes, a weak draft class, and playing with Wemby. Im not sure he's that much better than Bub Carrington or has that much more potential to justify giving up Bilal for.