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kulaz3000 wrote:If we do draft CMB, it looks like the vast majority of the Bulls board is going to be displeased. That said, he really isn't a AK archetype of player they' normally draft, so I wouldn't worry.
Another team is going to draft him and reap the rewards, and then we'll blame AK for passing up on him.
WookieOnRitalin wrote:Game 1. It's where the series is truly 0-0.
dawhizz wrote:boozapalooza wrote:KC says the names hes hearing most for us are now CMB and Noa…with Queen an option if both those guys are off the board. VERY interesting
This sounds to me the Bulls realizing too late that they have telegraphed too much that they like Newell, so now they “leak” info to KJ about liking other similar prospects hoping that it will trick teams into thinking they don’t actually want Newell.
DuckIII wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Red Larrivee wrote:
Same. Good thing he's 6'8 with a 7'1 wingspan.
Eh, he measured 6'6" without shoes at the combine. Like I said, he's a terrific defender. Maybe one of the best in this draft. But I wouldn't count on his offense in the NBA.
It was 6'6.5, and in shoes 6'8 which are worn during games. He's plenty tall to play the 4 in today's NBA even before you account for the unusually long arms. He's fine on this front.
He really only has one issue, and that's the perimeter shot its possible he never develops. Because his currently sucks and unlike someone like Matas last year or Demin this year, he does not have the mechanics in place to project consistent improvement. It will have to be constructed.
But everything else is there for a modern 4. I don't have him #1 like Red, but he's way up there for me. I only have KJ and Essenge in front of him.
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:DuckIII wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:
Eh, he measured 6'6" without shoes at the combine. Like I said, he's a terrific defender. Maybe one of the best in this draft. But I wouldn't count on his offense in the NBA.
It was 6'6.5, and in shoes 6'8 which are worn during games. He's plenty tall to play the 4 in today's NBA even before you account for the unusually long arms. He's fine on this front.
He really only has one issue, and that's the perimeter shot its possible he never develops. Because his currently sucks and unlike someone like Matas last year or Demin this year, he does not have the mechanics in place to project consistent improvement. It will have to be constructed.
But everything else is there for a modern 4. I don't have him #1 like Red, but he's way up there for me. I only have KJ and Essenge in front of him.
I'm definitely not down on CMB. He's in my top-5 that's probably available for our pick. He just doesn't have any elite traits that would make him a home run selection. Can't shoot. Great finisher in college but not guaranteed in the NBA. Crafty on defense, but not strong defending the perimeter on switches. Very left hand reliant, to the point where he forces bad shots.
To say he only has "one issue" seems very generous. But I guess anyone that falls to our range isn't going to be a complete player.
jump wrote:If the top two candidates for the Bills are CMB and Noa, it feels like AK plans to solve his C need through trade or another late pick. He never seems to move to get an extra R1 pick or even move up in R2. So I guess I’ll be disappointed. That being said, I think CMB or Noa will be excellent additions to the team. Still kinda like getting Sorber instead though.
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:I'm definitely not down on CMB. He's in my top-5 that's probably available for our pick. He just doesn't have any elite traits that would make him a home run selection. Can't shoot. Great finisher in college but not guaranteed in the NBA. Crafty on defense, but not strong defending the perimeter on switches. Very left hand reliant, to the point where he forces bad shots.
To say he only has "one issue" seems very generous. But I guess anyone that falls to our range isn't going to be a complete player.
nomorezorro wrote:
kinda think CMB goes to phoenix if they stick at 10. hope they trade down to accumulate assets
Red Larrivee wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:I'm definitely not down on CMB. He's in my top-5 that's probably available for our pick. He just doesn't have any elite traits that would make him a home run selection. Can't shoot. Great finisher in college but not guaranteed in the NBA. Crafty on defense, but not strong defending the perimeter on switches. Very left hand reliant, to the point where he forces bad shots.
To say he only has "one issue" seems very generous. But I guess anyone that falls to our range isn't going to be a complete player.
It's closer to accurate than not though. You're not naming anything that he's bad at outside of his jumpshot. He definitely has elite traits, especially on the defensive end. I think calling him "crafty" is really underselling what he did there.
He more than held his own guarding out to the perimeter whether it's pick and roll or isolation. His mobility on the perimeter is very good and the core of it is just his basketball IQ, awareness and reaction speed. Perfect? No. I've seen plays where guards got by him. But it's not a weakness as much as it is improving further on an area of competence.
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Once again, I really don't understand why Newell isn't more highly considered on this board. He has the motor of CMB, the defensive mobility of Beringer, solid shooting form and more 3pt success than either. He has the foot speed and lateral quickness to guard on the perimeter and is probably the only player in this draft that can legit guard 1-5. He can switch anything.
I understand that he's not a freak in length, but he's got great footwork and speed. He's going to get a rebound with his motor. He's great at getting out on fast breaks and running the floor. My assumption is that he's our pick if he's there, and I won't be disappointed about it.
rosenthall wrote:nomorezorro wrote:
kinda think CMB goes to phoenix if they stick at 10. hope they trade down to accumulate assets
He is a natural fit there. They desperately need size and defense. Maluach will likely be gone by then, and the other centers are a reach at 10. Guys like Carter Bryant and Coward seem redundant with Dillon Brooks there. The Suns don't strike me as a patient organization, so I feel like they'd pass on Essengue. Sorber strikes me as the other likely choice for them.
Chi town wrote:Blazers gotta be going with Coward after trading Simons for Jrue.
